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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 22, 2017 17:08:23 GMT -5
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Post by jiant2520 on Oct 22, 2017 17:24:11 GMT -5
Go get Mike Maddux please. Where has Maddox rep come from? Was he really that good in Texas? Now that we've hired multi- lingual Cora how about a Japanese speaking coach...for an Otani play.... Maddux last coached in Washington, but yes, he did well in Texas. He has a pretty good track record everywhere he has coached. I'd love for him to be our Pitching Coach. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 22, 2017 17:44:05 GMT -5
What will the chronic DD complainers do?
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Post by soxfando on Oct 22, 2017 18:59:25 GMT -5
What will the chronic DD complainers do? Dombrowski has already basically done all the damage he can at this point (weak farm and little cap space). And I'd say most of the credit for the Cora signing goes to the press and Red Sox Nation which made it pretty impossible for DD to go with anyone else as manager. |
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Post by soxfando on Oct 22, 2017 19:03:17 GMT -5
Really happy about Cora, but it seems weird that they can or will name him the new manager of the Sox while he's still employed by and contributing to another team's World Series run. You'd think there would be tampering issues, or the fact that one of your key contributors has one foot out the door publicly in the middle of the playoffs. This is seen as a promotion and a big pay raise for what could be Cora's "dream job." I'm sure the Astros players and organization are nothing but happy for Cora, and Cora is professional enough to not let it affect his job for the Astros for the next week in a half, while in the world series for the Astros. It's really a non issue. There is no tampering with coaches becoming managers, the only problem you run into is if another team wants a manager from a different team, which is why the Sox has to trade for Farrell. Fair points, but still seems to deviate from expected protocols. |
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Post by jimoh on Oct 22, 2017 19:14:39 GMT -5
Go get Mike Maddux please. Where has Maddox rep come from? Was he really that good in Texas? Now that we've hired multi- lingual Cora how about a Japanese speaking coach...for an Otani play.... Hensley Meulens speaks five languages, including Japanese and Xander's Papiamento. He'd like to be a manager, though, and is already a hitting coach. |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 22, 2017 19:24:18 GMT -5
Really happy about Cora, but it seems weird that they can or will name him the new manager of the Sox while he's still employed by and contributing to another team's World Series run. You'd think there would be tampering issues, or the fact that one of your key contributors has one foot out the door publicly in the middle of the playoffs. They obviously would have permission from Houston to do it, kind of like they already had permission to interview him. |
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Post by geostorm on Oct 22, 2017 19:31:28 GMT -5
in an Alex Cora tidbit of interest perhaps only to me...while viewing the historic Cora AB referenced in this article, I noticed the more obvious Red Sox connection - Matt Clement - straight away - www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2017/10/22/five-things-to-know-about-new-red-sox-manager-alex-cora...then, on closer review, I also notice that the manager of the Cubs team that got stung that day, was the same Johnie B Baker, Jr. whose firing, this week, I thought might be a late stab by the Nats to get their runner up from their last hire perhaps derailing Sox attempts, though seems clear now, 20-20, that wasn't in the Cards. |
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Post by soxfando on Oct 22, 2017 19:39:59 GMT -5
Really happy about Cora, but it seems weird that they can or will name him the new manager of the Sox while he's still employed by and contributing to another team's World Series run. You'd think there would be tampering issues, or the fact that one of your key contributors has one foot out the door publicly in the middle of the playoffs. They obviously would have permission from Houston to do it, kind of like they already had permission to interview him. Yeah, tampering was a bit much because obviously it wouldn't have gotten this far if it was actually considered that. Still seems like it would have been classier to not interject into the middle of the Astro's World Series run. Like when A-Rod announced he was opting out of his contract during the 2007 World Series - not classy. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 23, 2017 5:26:14 GMT -5
I would love to hear the first funny conversation between Pedrioa and Cora when they see each other again. I imagine it would go something like this-
Pedrioa- "Hey how's my favorite backup player doing? Now you can really keep the bench warm with all the managing you'll be doing. Of course this is nothing new when you were backing up me a decade ago."
Cora- "I'm still taller than you."
Lol
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Post by artfuldodger on Oct 23, 2017 6:04:41 GMT -5
The selection of the coaching staff could be intriguing and revealing. Will Cora have free reign for his staff or will DD mix in some of his favorites? Dave Dombrowski has already stated that the new manager will basically pick his own coaching staff at the John Farrell firing press conference. Dombrowski has to approve of any hiring of coaches, but I'm sure he's not going to get in Cora's way of hiring his own staff. If Cora was going to have free reign, then what was the conversation with Jim Hickey about: chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/10/22/jim-hickey-cubs-interview-pitching-coach-job/ |
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 23, 2017 7:05:07 GMT -5
Very excited for the calls to have him fired the first time a reliever gives up a run.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 23, 2017 7:12:22 GMT -5
Very excited for the calls to have him fired the first time a reliever gives up a run. That wouldn't happen if he was a halfway decent manager. |
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 23, 2017 7:30:12 GMT -5
"Ok, Matt, the strategy is for you to give up no runs."
"None?"
"Zero."
"Man, I never knew. If only Farrell had told me."
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Post by soxcentral on Oct 23, 2017 8:09:42 GMT -5
"Ok, Matt, the strategy is for you to give up no runs." "None?" "Zero." "Man, I never knew. If only Farrell had told me." I realize you are joking, but just want to make this point. Any manager should be judged on whether they get the most out of their players and not much more. Bullpen management, lineup construction, that is all mostly WEEI hindsight criticism that, as you point out, is going to be unfair to every manager. I am thrilled to have Alex Cora aboard and Farrell gone simply because players were not playing to their potential the last 2+ years, and under Cora I'm excited to think of what all our young players can accomplish if they all get back on the career arcs we hoped for as recently as 12 months ago. |
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Post by gk2186 on Oct 23, 2017 8:40:41 GMT -5
Is this the first time Boras has repped a managerial candidate in negotiations?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 23, 2017 9:20:11 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 23, 2017 17:24:00 GMT -5
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 23, 2017 18:23:20 GMT -5
What will the chronic DD complainers do? Dombrowski has already basically done all the damage he can at this point (weak farm and little cap space). And I'd say most of the credit for the Cora signing goes to the press and Red Sox Nation which made it pretty impossible for DD to go with anyone else as manager. I don't think he cared a wit about what you or I or anyone thought. Cora has been on. Lot of people's radar for manager. As far as the rest, it has been pointed out why he sold the farm, to win now. You can disagree with that philosophy, I am conflicted by that also, but he had a mandate to stop finishing in last place. That is pretty clear to me. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 24, 2017 7:36:11 GMT -5
Dombrowski has already basically done all the damage he can at this point (weak farm and little cap space). And I'd say most of the credit for the Cora signing goes to the press and Red Sox Nation which made it pretty impossible for DD to go with anyone else as manager. I don't think he cared a wit about what you or I or anyone thought. Cora has been on. Lot of people's radar for manager. As far as the rest, it has been pointed out why he sold the farm, to win now. You can disagree with that philosophy, I am conflicted by that also, but he had a mandate to stop finishing in last place. That is pretty clear to me. That the credit for a Cora hiring goes to the press and RS Nation is one of the worst takes ever. Seriously? You actually think DD cares what the press and the fans think? Also, the lack of salary flexibility has more to do with Cherrington than does with DD. Maybe some Lucchino fault in there, too, if you want to go back to the Lester negotiations and the path that failure set the Sox on. Actually, DD helped the cap space by trading for Sale. He's one of the better values in baseball. |
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 24, 2017 7:49:30 GMT -5
Yeah, "The Red Sox hired the guy I wanted because of the fans and media, not because of the guy responsible for hiring him" is on the extreme end of not giving credit where credit is due.
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Post by costpet on Oct 24, 2017 8:06:17 GMT -5
Remember this, no Red Sox manager has ever quit. They all got fired at some point.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 24, 2017 8:10:42 GMT -5
Remember this, no Red Sox manager has ever quit. They all got fired at some point. I think Joe McCarthy quit part way thru the 1950 season. I think it came after one of his benders. I don't think the Red Sox fired him. Midway through the 1976 season Darrell Johnson, who was also drinking heavily, was considering quitting, but instead he did get fired. |
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Oct 24, 2017 9:40:34 GMT -5
Febles may be listed as a coach as a result of his spending the end of September 2017 as an extra coach on Farrell's staff. Kevin Boles spent time in the same role earlier in September. The Red Sox in recent years have invited minor league managers and coaches to suit up and work with the MLB staff in September after their seasons are over. I think Rich Gedman also did this in September for a time. That's not to say they wouldn't have Febles in mind as a possible third or first base coach in 2018. I wonder if Cora and the front office are pondering shifting Butterfield to bench coach (and infield instructor). He does want to remain with the Red Sox, and served for two years in Toronto as the bench coach (2008-2009). Apart from a few weeks at Triple-A Columbus in 2002 (the Clippers went only 12-25 and he was fired by the Yankees), Butterfield managed mostly at Class A in the Yankees' and D-Backs' systems during the 1980s and 1990s. If LeVangie is being retained, it's probably as bullpen coach, given the conventional wisdom that Cora needs an experienced bench coach and/or former manager to be his dugout aide. |
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Oct 24, 2017 9:43:05 GMT -5
Remember this, no Red Sox manager has ever quit. They all got fired at some point. I think Joe McCarthy quit part way thru the 1950 season. I think it came after one of his benders. I don't think the Red Sox fired him. Midway through the 1976 season Darrell Johnson, who was also drinking heavily, was considering quitting, but instead he did get fired. Ralph Houk, then 65, retired as manager at the conclusion of the 1984 season. He never managed again, although he did work in the Twins' front office under Andy MacPhail after he left the Red Sox. |
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