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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 26, 2017 14:44:22 GMT -5
@bradfo: More Red Sox coaching news: per source, Asst. hitting coach Victor Rodriguez interviewing for Giants hitting coach job
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Post by danredhawk on Oct 26, 2017 15:44:30 GMT -5
I'm personally glad all the coaches are gone. Butterfield was a lot like "wave them home Wendel Kim" and the Sox hitting approach has been awful for a while now. It was time to clean house. Was their hitting approach awful last year when they led the league in runs, BA, OBP, and SLG? Nope. Seemed to me that approach changed this year, skewing hard towards sacrificing power for contact as part of an overreaction to losing Ortiz. When he retired they went on and on about their OBP guys, and the running game, manufacturing runs in a lot of ways, etc and I wonder if swinging for contact was a coaching staff plan. We all are aware of the congruent base running strategy. It's possible the hitters just fell into poor swings or were hurt - but watching many of them swing like a pitcher aiming the ball to home plate left me wondering often. And when I think about nearly an entire team slumping in power production I wonder again. Has anyone heard or read anything that might confirm or contradict this theory? Did the approach change or just the hitters...?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 26, 2017 16:02:15 GMT -5
I'm personally glad all the coaches are gone. Butterfield was a lot like "wave them home Wendel Kim" and the Sox hitting approach has been awful for a while now. It was time to clean house. Was their hitting approach awful last year when they led the league in runs, BA, OBP, and SLG? Hard to tell with a offense that was centered around Ortiz. Mookie Betts has the lowest amount of opposite field hits in his career last year, I believe. Xander taking pitches down the middle of the plate until two strikes and then constantly chasing pitches outside of the zone because it. The awful baserunning blunders. Thus is just the obvious stuff.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 26, 2017 16:05:51 GMT -5
Was their hitting approach awful last year when they led the league in runs, BA, OBP, and SLG? Hard to tell with a offense that was centered around Ortiz. Mookie Betts has the lowest amount of opposite field hits in his career last year, I believe. Xander taking pitches down the middle of the plate until two strikes and then constantly chasing pitches outside of the zone because it. The awful baserunning blunders. Thus is just the obvious stuff. Is 2017 "a while now?"
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 26, 2017 17:59:53 GMT -5
Looks like the Sox lose out on Maddux and Hickey as pitching coaches as Hickey is headed for Chicago along with Butterfield and Chili Davis. Good pickups for the Cubs. Hope the Sox do as well.
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Post by bosox on Oct 26, 2017 19:32:59 GMT -5
Per Sean McAdam,
Sean McAdam @sean_McAdam 9m9 minutes ago @bostonsportsbsj New York State of Minds - Mets,Yankees coaches among Cora’s targets as he looks to build staff
Subscription site: BostonSportsJournal.com
It looks like Cora is considering Yankee coach Joe Espada as his bench coach, Carlos Febles also a staff consideration, McAdam suggesting as first base coach or hitting coach and is considering Ricky Bones as pitching coach.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 26, 2017 19:39:26 GMT -5
Espada is the NYY third base coach and was on Puerto Rico's WBC coaching staff this year (along with Ricky Bones).
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Post by soxfando on Oct 26, 2017 19:49:38 GMT -5
Looks like the Sox lose out on Maddux and Hickey as pitching coaches as Hickey is headed for Chicago along with Butterfield and Chili Davis. Good pickups for the Cubs. Hope the Sox do as well. Theo has a knack for picking up ex red sox. Rizzo, Lester, Lackey, Koji, Ross, even took a chance on Kalish.
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Post by MLBDreams on Oct 26, 2017 20:38:16 GMT -5
It looks like we lose some best available positional coaches due to Alex Cora focus on his job with Houston until the World Series ends. He might lose them to other teams that fill in coaching staff. Can't he get announce his staffs before Washington & NYY would steal them away for their new upcoming manager's staffs?
What's request 1st language for this Red Sox team as communication methods? Spanish? I don't get it if Alex gets most staffs that comes from PR (WBC) when most of them were American players on a 25 man roster.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 26, 2017 23:41:52 GMT -5
It looks like we lose some best available positional coaches due to Alex Cora focus on his job with Houston until the World Series ends. He might lose them to other teams that fill in coaching staff. Can't he get announce his staffs before Washington & NYY would steal them away for their new upcoming manager's staffs? What's request 1st language for this Red Sox team as communication methods? Spanish? I don't get it if Alex gets most staffs that comes from PR (WBC) when most of them were American players on a 25 man roster. I'm confused by your last paragraph. What's your concern with the coaches being bilingual? That team meetings will be in Spanish only?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 27, 2017 8:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 27, 2017 8:37:29 GMT -5
It's a shame that the league doesn't put a moratorium on coaching changes until after the WS is over.
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Post by jimoh on Oct 27, 2017 8:45:58 GMT -5
What's request 1st language for this Red Sox team as communication methods? I don't recognize the language that this sentence is in.
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Post by jbuttah on Oct 27, 2017 9:10:54 GMT -5
What's request 1st language for this Red Sox team as communication methods? I don't recognize the language that this sentence is in. It's a Russian bot.
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Post by artfuldodger on Oct 27, 2017 12:02:01 GMT -5
If the McAdam report is correct, the staff will be younger and bilingual, but will it be better. I am particularly not a fan of Bones. He has not helped the Mets pitchers reach their potential.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 27, 2017 12:13:30 GMT -5
It's only worrisome to me if something he was doing was leading to all of the injuries. De Grom was not a top prospect and he's been great, Syndergaard has obviously been outstanding when healthy. On the other hand, Harvey is obviously an enigma, and Wheeler was not good this year. Bones was also pitching coach in 2015 when the staff was outstanding.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 27, 2017 12:16:07 GMT -5
It looks like we lose some best available positional coaches due to Alex Cora focus on his job with Houston until the World Series ends. He might lose them to other teams that fill in coaching staff. Can't he get announce his staffs before Washington & NYY would steal them away for their new upcoming manager's staffs? What's request 1st language for this Red Sox team as communication methods? Spanish? I don't get it if Alex gets most staffs that comes from PR (WBC) when most of them were American players on a 25 man roster. Got some news for you; Puerto Ricans are Americans, too.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 27, 2017 17:21:21 GMT -5
Breaking - Cubs hire Butterfield and Chili Davis - going to miss Butter - I know the third base coach stuff was often tough, but positive presence, both men I'm personally glad all the coaches are gone. Butterfield was a lot like "wave them home Wendel Kim" and the Sox hitting approach has been awful for a while now. It was time to clean house. The Globe reported that Butterfield was also responsible for infield shifting. Whoever was responsible was, as far as we can tell, demonstrably bad at it. The Fielding Bible tracks runs saved by infield shifts, runs which aren't credited to any player but do show up in their team totals. I believe that BillJamesOnline is the only place you can see this data. The Sox ranked 18th in MLB with +6 runs on shifts. Furthermore, there is a significant correlation between runs saved on shifts and total other infield DRS. Now, a little of that is unquestionably because better defenders, after they've been shifted, can make plays lesser defenders can't. We saw Altuve make such a play two night ago, when he was deep on Utley and got to a liner that a less quick player might not have. But that's actually very unusual. The most probable source of the bulk of the correlation is that teams who shift better also position their players better, period. When you factor that in, the Sox were 0.6 wins below average in infield defensive positioning, but that's completely misleading. Every team is capable of positioning their players well regardless of their talent; it's something figured out by the FO data crunchers and implemented by the coaching staff. The Sox were 2.8 wins below the average of the top 12 teams in shifting / positioning, and 4.9 wins below the MLB-best Rays.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 27, 2017 21:01:36 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 28, 2017 13:37:30 GMT -5
George A. King III @georgeakingiii 1h1 hour ago More Yankees third base coach Joe Espada has interviewed with Astros and Red Sox for coaching openings.
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 28, 2017 13:45:56 GMT -5
I feel Cora already knows his staff. Butterfield had a tough year. It might be good after five years to change the staff.
If I was Girardi I would take a year off. He could pick his job next year.
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Post by artfuldodger on Oct 28, 2017 18:24:33 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 29, 2017 5:55:22 GMT -5
I would constantly hate working with my brother. I lived with him for 3 years and we almost hated each other by the end of it. Probably a better call for Christmas dinners sake at the Cora family residence if they just stay apart from each other.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 29, 2017 10:49:15 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 29, 2017 20:49:50 GMT -5
My first choice to be manager is the Phillies top choice for their vacant managerial position according to Jon Heyman - looks like Gabe Kapler will be the Phillies manager.
I'm disappointed the Sox didn't interview him. Perhaps Cora winds up a better manager, and maybe the bi-lingual thing is a huge thing, but I do know that I was impressed by Kapler's thirst for knowledge. He's extremely analytical and if he relates to the players well, he's going to make an excellent manager.
He probably would have been my first choice with Cora second, but who knows? Maybe the Sox picked exactly the guy they should have? Time will tell.
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