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Post by Guidas on Oct 15, 2017 11:24:12 GMT -5
Shaughnessy doing some real reporting for a change, nice He's a columnist. Reporting isn't his job anymore. Who gets away with writing the same 5 or 6 columns every month, just changing the names, teams and faux outrage/breathless hyperbole to fit whatever sports moment he's commenting on. And he gets paid for that.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 15, 2017 11:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 15, 2017 15:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 15, 2017 20:24:16 GMT -5
Dombroski better hope he can break his lease if he hires Gardenhire and his 6-21 playoff record. Neither one will last the 2018 season with the Red Sox.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 15, 2017 21:24:25 GMT -5
My new personal conspiracy thoery is that Dombrowski and Cora had this worked out already. Things are moving seemingly quickly for a guy whose team is still alive, and it changes the meaning of the "Farrell didn't lose his job because of the teams performance" stuff. That would totally make sense if the Red Sox fired Farrell because they thought Cora, specifically, was a better fit and they knew they could hire him.
It's almost certainly untrue but what the heck.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 15, 2017 23:05:33 GMT -5
My new personal conspiracy thoery is that Dombrowski and Cora had this worked out already. Things are moving seemingly quickly for a guy whose team is still alive, and it changes the meaning of the "Farrell didn't lose his job because of the teams performance" stuff. That would totally make sense if the Red Sox fired Farrell because they thought Cora, specifically, was a better fit and they knew they could hire him. It's almost certainly untrue but what the heck. Maybe he just browses this forum.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 16, 2017 1:22:11 GMT -5
My new personal conspiracy thoery is that Dombrowski and Cora had this worked out already. Things are moving seemingly quickly for a guy whose team is still alive, and it changes the meaning of the "Farrell didn't lose his job because of the teams performance" stuff. That would totally make sense if the Red Sox fired Farrell because they thought Cora, specifically, was a better fit and they knew they could hire him. It's almost certainly untrue but what the heck. Maybe he just browses this forum.Lol Don. Good stuff.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 16, 2017 1:28:25 GMT -5
Cora seems to be the right guy for this job at the moment. He has experience in Boston. He is currently coaching a team in the Astros with a aggressive plate approach (which this team desperately needs). He has managed in smaller venues in winter ball. He's supposed to be a smart baseball man. Cora could also really help the infield defense in Xander and Devers especially with the sound fundamentals that I remember him playing with a decade ago. These same fundamentals might even help out on the baserunning disasters this team is currently having.
I would welcome Cora and his new coaching staff with open arms. He was one of the most smoothest players I've ever seen put on a Sox uniform (along with Pokey Reese and Mike Lowell). Hopefully he can transition that into coaching because doing it and teaching it is two completely different things, but with Cora, it's worth a shot.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 16, 2017 7:09:42 GMT -5
My new personal conspiracy thoery is that Dombrowski and Cora had this worked out already. Things are moving seemingly quickly for a guy whose team is still alive, and it changes the meaning of the "Farrell didn't lose his job because of the teams performance" stuff. That would totally make sense if the Red Sox fired Farrell because they thought Cora, specifically, was a better fit and they knew they could hire him. It's almost certainly untrue but what the heck. Maybe he just browses this forum.Hah! Compared with most corners of the internet, this friendly spot is downright fawning toward Farrell. A big part of being able to manage is dealing calmly with every fan thinking he can do a better job than you can.
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Post by jdb on Oct 16, 2017 7:25:16 GMT -5
Has there been any potential Cora connections as far as bench and pitching coach mentioned in the media?
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Post by SALNotes on Oct 16, 2017 8:01:46 GMT -5
Gardenhire, Cora and Dave Martinez all seem solid. The latter two are pretty green though and this is a pressure cooker.
Gardy would be my choice
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 16, 2017 9:10:30 GMT -5
Hah! Compared with most corners of the internet, this friendly spot is downright fawning toward Farrell. A big part of being able to manage is dealing calmly with every fan thinking he can do a better job than you can. Oh absolutely, I've seen people hating on Farrell more ardently elsewhere lol. However, combining that with our collective bromance with Alex Cora makes it damn likely that DDo is among us. I can only hope he shows himself so I can block him for not resigning Keith Couch.
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Post by costpet on Oct 16, 2017 9:11:28 GMT -5
As long as the sports writers don't pick the next manager, i'm happy.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 16, 2017 11:23:44 GMT -5
Gardenhire is better served as a bench coach at this stage of his career. He is 59 years old and this team needs someone who is going to take control of the clubhouse, while at the same time dealing with the Boston media horde. Be bold and hire either Cora or Kapler, with perhaps someone like Gardenhire as their bench coach.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 16, 2017 11:41:00 GMT -5
Gardenhire, Cora and Dave Martinez all seem solid. The latter two are pretty green though and this is a pressure cooker. Gardy would be my choice Because he's been through the pressure cooker that is Minnesota Twins baseball? Cora has at least been here before.
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Post by SALNotes on Oct 16, 2017 12:06:16 GMT -5
Managed for 12 years vs never managed. It's not complicated
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 16, 2017 12:14:15 GMT -5
Is Martinez the third candidate on Dombrowski's shortlist?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 16, 2017 12:16:19 GMT -5
Managed for 12 years vs never managed. It's not complicated His decade-plus mediocrity is exactly the reason I don't want him. Edit: not even just vanilla mediocrity either. He was part of a Twins organization that was generally seen as backwards at the time, and that featured weird, inexplicable obsessions with pitchers who never struck anyone out, and hitters who never did anything but slap the ball. The Twins are still trying to dig themselves out of the hole that he helped dig. No thanks.
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Post by SALNotes on Oct 16, 2017 12:26:12 GMT -5
I don't know, he won 90+ games 5 times in his 1st 9 seasons with the Twins. It ended poorly but there must have been a talent drop off
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 16, 2017 12:30:04 GMT -5
I don't know, he won 90+ games 5 times in his 1st 9 seasons with the Twins. It ended poorly but there must have been a talent drop off He was basically a .500 manager for the duration of his tenure, and I don't think you can give him credit for the good teams while ignoring the bad ones. And, if you read my edit above, he was at least partly responsible for that talent drop off.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 16, 2017 12:30:37 GMT -5
John Farrell just won 90 games three times in five seasons.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 16, 2017 12:35:53 GMT -5
Is Martinez the third candidate on Dombrowski's shortlist? I would think it's Brad Ausmus.
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Post by SALNotes on Oct 16, 2017 12:41:47 GMT -5
I'm not going to change anybody's mind but I think the guy is a very good mgr and DD knows him well from there days in the AL Central. And put him on the short list
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Post by daltonjones on Oct 16, 2017 13:42:20 GMT -5
I've been exiled in MN for eight years and Gardenhire seems like crazy talk:
worse than Farrell: rapport with younger players, developing players, being afraid of the MFY
at least as bad as Farrell
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Post by daltonjones on Oct 16, 2017 13:47:48 GMT -5
continued sorry Indulging veterans, uninterested in analytics.
Great unknown: used a docile and supportive media (but probably not a good thing)
Sure, turning Farrell's -2.5 games on ingame to a plus 2 would be huge. But a lot of college coaches could do that.
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