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MLBTR projected arb salaries (and the CBT)
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 13, 2018 8:55:59 GMT -5
The Red Sox front office has historically had a strong preference for settling over going to arbitration hearings. They have at least two weeks before the hearing, and I’m willing to bet that they settle on a number around the midpoint of the respective figures. Agreed. When they went all the way to the arb decision with Abad last winter it was the first since Rolando Arrojo in 2002. And I'll make the understated point that Betts and Abad are quite different, in terms of present and future value and in how the team is likely to approach the relationship.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 13, 2018 10:24:06 GMT -5
The reports are that the sides have elected to stop negotiating and have a hearing, though, not just that they didn't agree to a figure. Looks like a new policy under Dombrowski. Remember, they went to the hearing with Abad last year too, which was the first time since 2002 the organization had done so. www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2018/01/red_sox_avoid_arbitration_with_all_but_mookie_bettsThinking it through, the point of such a policy would mean that the team files its number knowing that there won't be further negotiations, so they don't file a number assuming it will lead to further negotiations. This means they can file closer to what they think is a fair number, rather than having to goose it down in order to make the midway point palatable.
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Post by jmei on Jan 13, 2018 11:31:58 GMT -5
Ugh, didn't know Dombrowski was a file and trial guy. That policy never made sense to me, but, you know, above my pay grade and all that.
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Post by doctorduck21 on Jan 13, 2018 11:58:13 GMT -5
Ugh, didn't know Dombrowski was a file and trial guy. That policy never made sense to me, but, you know, above my pay grade and all that. Seems like every team is gonna be file and trial this year. I don't get it either
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 13, 2018 18:17:40 GMT -5
Ugh, didn't know Dombrowski was a file and trial guy. That policy never made sense to me, but, you know, above my pay grade and all that. Yeap really risky, especially with your best player. I hate it personally.
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Post by 75tillnow on Jan 13, 2018 19:32:59 GMT -5
I truly regret bringing this up as I love Mookie.
But would the Sox, after this coming year, consider trading Mookie for 2 or more blue chippers, with the aim in mind of signing another FA? In other words, would it be better to sign Mookie for 10/375 than, say, a Harper (but not necessarily him) type for 10/450 and have 2 studs in waiting? I know this is way ahead of time and opens up a can of worms. Its that can I'd like to hear the boards opinion on (since the off-season is, well...slow).
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 13, 2018 20:02:52 GMT -5
Yeap really risky, especially with your best player. I hate it personally. Agreed. I don't mean this in a mean-spirited way, but it's one thing to do it to Abad and another completely different thing when it comes to Mookie. You center a team around Mookie, maybe I'm going soft but I don't think this tough love mentality builds too much trust.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 13, 2018 20:07:45 GMT -5
The Sox didn't "do" anything to Mookie though. It takes two to make a deal.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 13, 2018 22:08:27 GMT -5
The Sox didn't "do" anything to Mookie though. It takes two to make a deal. The Sox seem content to taking him to arbitration rather than settling. That seems to be the problem with their new enforced policy. Hopefully hard feelings don't come out of this. As you remember with the Yankees with Betances, it can get ugly in arbitration. The Yankees screwed that whole situation up, granted. It just stinks. Mookie is a guy with a good head on his shoulders, so I'm hopeful. Nothing good can come with your team trying to prove that their best player isn't that great in arbitration.
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Post by daltonjones on Jan 14, 2018 0:44:47 GMT -5
Hasn't Betts indicated, more than once, that he was going to FA. Period. With an implicit: no hometown discount.
If it is just business for both sides, then it is just business. The idea that giving him an extra 2.5 million now will get him to take 25 million less later, is kind of quaint.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 14, 2018 3:53:45 GMT -5
Hasn't Betts indicated, more than once, that he was going to FA. Period. With an implicit: no hometown discount. What you outlined is our worst nightmare. I hope you're wrong. I hope the Sox can extend Mookie, at all costs, even at a overypay. I can't say you're wrong, however. Sad to say.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 14, 2018 11:05:13 GMT -5
Ugh, didn't know Dombrowski was a file and trial guy. That policy never made sense to me, but, you know, above my pay grade and all that. I'm surprised also. I thought they'd try for a compromise. Assuming something in the middle range, say $9 million, then throwing in the overhead which Cot's sets at $14 million, I estimate around $208 million in salary costs, give or take $500K. Add in a big bat and it's probably more on the order of $230-$233 million. Not a big problem this year, but it does greatly limit the options going forward. In a perverse way, you'd want Price to have a great year so that he walks. If he doesn't exercise his option, the team will be right up against the cap again. Arb year contracts aren't going to get any cheaper.
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Post by bosox on Jan 14, 2018 12:00:33 GMT -5
Hasn't Betts indicated, more than once, that he was going to FA. Period. With an implicit: no hometown discount. If it is just business for both sides, then it is just business. The idea that giving him an extra 2.5 million now will get him to take 25 million less later, is kind of quaint. Hopefully, after all is said and done in arbitration (and nothing too crazy is argued about his performance), it is just business and going through the process that was negotiated. In the end, whether it's 10+million or 7+million, Mookie will end up with a nice payday over last year's salary.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 15, 2018 21:19:31 GMT -5
Ugh, didn't know Dombrowski was a file and trial guy. That policy never made sense to me, but, you know, above my pay grade and all that. I'm surprised also. I thought they'd try for a compromise. Assuming something in the middle range, say $9 million, then throwing in the overhead which Cot's sets at $14 million, I estimate around $208 million in salary costs, give or take $500K. Add in a big bat and it's probably more on the order of $230-$233 million. Not a big problem this year, but it does greatly limit the options going forward. In a perverse way, you'd want Price to have a great year so that he walks. If he doesn't exercise his option, the team will be right up against the cap again. Arb year contracts aren't going to get any cheaper. The arbitrator picks either Betts' or the club's number. He does not pick a middle ground between the two numbers.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 15, 2018 22:35:31 GMT -5
I'm surprised also. I thought they'd try for a compromise. Assuming something in the middle range, say $9 million, then throwing in the overhead which Cot's sets at $14 million, I estimate around $208 million in salary costs, give or take $500K. Add in a big bat and it's probably more on the order of $230-$233 million. Not a big problem this year, but it does greatly limit the options going forward. In a perverse way, you'd want Price to have a great year so that he walks. If he doesn't exercise his option, the team will be right up against the cap again. Arb year contracts aren't going to get any cheaper. The arbitrator picks either Betts' or the club's number. He does not pick a middle ground between the two numbers. Mookie isn't Roger Clemens, so that checks out.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 17, 2018 12:03:50 GMT -5
...The arbitrator picks either Betts' or the club's number. He does not pick a middle ground between the two numbers. Yeah, I'm familiar with the rules of arbitration, but unless we want to be bombarded with range estimates, it seemed simpler to go for the middle in the calculations.
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