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League Championship Series Gameday Thread
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Post by gerry on Oct 19, 2017 0:26:53 GMT -5
Brady actually was suspended for a rule the NFL doesn't care about, given that the league doesn't handle the footballs at all times. Do you think a Jets QB would be suspended for the same thing? Do you think anyone else would even be investigated for it? It was worse than George Brett's pinetar bat incident, which coincidentally also helped the Yankees. Barnes was actually suspended for not hitting Machado. Betances actually was not suspended for hitting someone in the head with a 99 mph fastball after multiple bench clearing brawls and warnings issued. If you can give me a clear understanding how this is not bias against Boston teams, then I'll shut up. Keep in mind that NY people run both leagues. My suggested bias against Boston is not a strawman. It's actually exactly what I said. It was probably just bad timing on MLB's part but you could also add that MLB chose to rule on Sanchez' appeal the day after the Yankees series with the Sox in September. Just had an interesting conversation with a friend from Phoenix, originally from the Midwest, and a very grounded analytics guy and an avid fan of baseball and football, which he played through college. His favorite teams include the Reds, Cubs with which he grew up, and now the D'Backs. We were discussing the randomness of baseball and I mentioned the possibilities of NY bias as discussed in this post. He was surprised at my beating around the bush. Heck yes. Of course. The league, the nation's major media, their analysts, the people paying their salaries, their families and friends are all New Yorkers. They are Yankee homies. It would be impossible to keep their natural biases out of their conversations at home, in dinner and party and pub conversation, reporting, and even the decision making processes of the league. Probably subconsciously most of the time, but not always. This applies to football too. So yeah, Brady, Sanchez, Barne, IFA penalties.are understandable in that light. And don't you think the league and media would desperately love a Dodger-Yankee revival? It's a no-brainer for these influential fans. Deliberate or not.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 19, 2017 1:34:10 GMT -5
I think you guys need to do what i do: DON'T WATCH.(HAHA>Just a friendly suggestion) I admit it, i can't watch the NYY play in the playoffs, especially when the Sox get eliminated. This is looking like the 2nd WS in my lifetime that i WON'T be watching. I HATE the Dodgers too. Anyone have a guess what WS i didn't watch? (Obviously it was one the NYY were in) I respect the Dodgers organization a ton. They have produced consistently the best pitching in the sport for decades. Orel Hershiser Fernando Venezuela Sandy Kofax Don Sutton Clayton Kershaw Pedro Martinez (didn't stick with the dodgers, but came up as a Dodger) Heck they even Hideo Nomo and Ramon Martinez were great pitchers back in the day too for them. I would bleed Dodger blue if they were to face the Yankees. #anythingbuttheyankees
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 19, 2017 6:51:51 GMT -5
I expect the Stros to win game 6. Then it is a one game playoff. Momentum and confidence mean so much. Houston has to dig deep here.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 19, 2017 7:16:31 GMT -5
I think you guys need to do what i do: DON'T WATCH.(HAHA>Just a friendly suggestion) I admit it, i can't watch the NYY play in the playoffs, especially when the Sox get eliminated. This is looking like the 2nd WS in my lifetime that i WON'T be watching. I HATE the Dodgers too. Anyone have a guess what WS i didn't watch? (Obviously it was one the NYY were in) If you hate both the Dodgers and Yankees, I'd guess it was the 1981 World Series? Or did you hate the Dodgers enough not to watch the 1988 World Series? I have no idea how the 88 Dodgers won other than 1 dominating pitcher and 1 key AB.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 19, 2017 7:28:40 GMT -5
I think you guys need to do what i do: DON'T WATCH.(HAHA>Just a friendly suggestion) I admit it, i can't watch the NYY play in the playoffs, especially when the Sox get eliminated. This is looking like the 2nd WS in my lifetime that i WON'T be watching. I HATE the Dodgers too. Anyone have a guess what WS i didn't watch? (Obviously it was one the NYY were in) If you hate both the Dodgers and Yankees, I'd guess it was the 1981 World Series? Or did you hate the Dodgers enough not to watch the 1988 World Series? I have no idea how the 88 Dodgers won other than 1 dominating pitcher and 1 key AB.That's all it takes sometimes. You know how when there's a game day thread, and at the beginning of the series someone will post something like "win two, steal two"? That's almost exactly what happened. Hershiser was absurd in games 2 and 5 with two runs allowed over 18 innings. Then they basically stole games one and four on a Gibson homer and some shoddy A's defense. But yeah, going back and looking at those rosters? Seems like it should have been a total mismatch the other way. EDIT: Then the A's lost again two years later to the Reds with the much stronger roster, very much based on the performance of a single pitcher.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 19, 2017 7:39:52 GMT -5
Tangential and curmudgeon like....watching the players pimp every home run is disgusting. I feel privileged to actually have watched baseball when that stuff wasn't allowed, without repercussions. Particularly the Cubs, who are getting their butts handed to then and pull this junk.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2017 8:14:42 GMT -5
Tangential and curmudgeon like....watching the players pimp every home run is disgusting. I feel privileged to actually have watched baseball when that stuff wasn't allowed, without repercussions. Particularly the Cubs, who are getting their butts handed to then and pull this junk. I said the same thing last night. I wouldn't be taking curtain calls in a close game when the team is down 3 games to 0.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 19, 2017 10:05:46 GMT -5
Tangential and curmudgeon like....watching the players pimp every home run is disgusting. I feel privileged to actually have watched baseball when that stuff wasn't allowed, without repercussions. Particularly the Cubs, who are getting their butts handed to then and pull this junk. Why? What's actually bad about celebrating? IMO, when you hit a round baseball coming at you at 98 mph squarely with a round wooden bat such that it travels 450 feet, you've earned the right to do something other than place the bat gently on the ground and trot quietly and quickly around the bases with your head down. Not saying you should scream at each player as you run by them or something really crazy, but damn dude, live a little.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 19, 2017 13:03:31 GMT -5
It was probably just bad timing on MLB's part but you could also add that MLB chose to rule on Sanchez' appeal the day after the Yankees series with the Sox in September. Just had an interesting conversation with a friend from Phoenix, originally from the Midwest, and a very grounded analytics guy and an avid fan of baseball and football, which he played through college. His favorite teams include the Reds, Cubs with which he grew up, and now the D'Backs. We were discussing the randomness of baseball and I mentioned the possibilities of NY bias as discussed in this post. He was surprised at my beating around the bush. Heck yes. Of course. The league, the nation's major media, their analysts, the people paying their salaries, their families and friends are all New Yorkers. They are Yankee homies. It would be impossible to keep their natural biases out of their conversations at home, in dinner and party and pub conversation, reporting, and even the decision making processes of the league. Probably subconsciously most of the time, but not always. This applies to football too. So yeah, Brady, Sanchez, Barne, IFA penalties.are understandable in that light. And don't you think the league and media would desperately love a Dodger-Yankee revival? It's a no-brainer for these influential fans. Deliberate or not. I think historically it has swung both ways. I would think that elements of the decision to implement the amateur player draft, the creation of the Wild Card, and the luxury tax limits were created in part to curb the Yankees consistent year-in year-out success. It would be disingenuous to say those things came about solely because of the Yankees' domination, particularly from 1921 - 1964 where in a 44 year stretch they won 30 pennants and 19 Championships, but I'm sure that was a consideration. Obviously with further expansion, it didn't make sense to have 2 eight or ten team leagues anymore - too many losers in that scenario, so it created an extra round of playoffs, the League Championship Series and more TV playoff money. And then another round was created with the decision to create Central divisions in each league and implement a wild card in each league, which gave birth to the Division Series, adding another layer of playoffs and more TV playoff money, which again creates the chance for less repeat championships. Add in other factors like the draft in 1965 so that the Yankees had to wait their turn to get the best amateur talent, and add in the luxury tax, which was meant as a deterrent for big market clubs, particularly George Steinbrenner's Yankees. But just to be clear, it wasn't any of baseball's machinations that caused the Yankees to truly suck in the late 60s, it was their failure to truly integrate that finally caught up to them. So not everything that has happened in baseball was with a Yankee bias to "help" the Yankees. If the Yankees win the pennant and/or the World Series, it will be because they played better than their competition. It's that simple. They'll be a team that should have won 100 games according to their Pythag RS/RA figures, underachieved during the regular season, and found their footing in the post-season coming back after tough losses. Apparently Tanaka, who had similar surface stats to Rick Porcello, has decided to become Derek Lowe circa October 2004 instead. The Yankees pitching had been underrated most of the season, but the fact is that the Sox had trouble with Sabathia and Tanaka as well, and now Houston is having those same issues. The fact of the matter is that the Yankees have pitched Houston very well and their batters are getting away from their game plans as the pressure mounts, while the Red Sox pitchers (other than Price) were absolutely dreadful against Houston. It's more than Houston's bats were hot and now they're cold. The Yankees' pitched them a lot tougher than the Red Sox did. As it was, if Sale hadn't been wasted his bullets pitching in a pointless 6th inning during Game 1, maybe he could have gotten the Sox through the 8th with the lead, and if Kimbrel hadn't chose the worst time to pitch terrible, the Sox could have forced Houston to a Game 5, and the pressure would have really mounted on Houston, the team that had beat the Sox up real badly in the first two games. Unfortunately it didn't happen, but the Sox weren't that far away from a Game 5 pressure on the Astros scenario, like they're facing now.
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Post by patford on Oct 19, 2017 18:18:39 GMT -5
It's all about the strike zone...period.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 20, 2017 15:00:54 GMT -5
I said before all this started that the one team I didn't want to face was NYY - and they were the ones I was most worried about going into the tournament. Turns out I was half-right. The Sox don't have to face them, but they are the most worrisome. But it's killing me to see this happening. As of today there is no more baseball until pitchers and catchers report. None. Zero. It. Does. Not. Exist.
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Post by p23w on Oct 20, 2017 18:37:16 GMT -5
The NYY pitching has gotten them to this point. Judicious pitching changes by Girardi has also helped. Houston hitters look bad. NYY offense "looks" lucky, rather be lucky than good as the saying goes. Still hoping that Houston can reassert themselves. Sox should have extended Houston to a 5th game, just as Houston should have won game 5 with a 4 run lead and 9 outs to go. Bad moves by both managers and meltdowns by their key relievers. Looking forward to LA Dodger hype in the WS.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 20, 2017 18:51:00 GMT -5
I said before all this started that the one team I didn't want to face was NYY - and they were the ones I was most worried about going into the tournament. Turns out I was half-right. The Sox don't have to face them, but they are the most worrisome. But it's killing me to see this happening. As of today there is no more baseball until pitchers and catchers report. None. Zero. It. Does. Not. Exist. Yankees looking very tough right now. The bullpen is especially ridiculous, getting Dave Bob was a fantastic trade. Scary thing is they haven't even needed Betances thus far. That is bonkers. If Tanaka-san keeps it up and Seve comes back to form, they're just not losing this.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 20, 2017 19:32:19 GMT -5
Anyone want to comment on the Yankees/Astros strike zone so far tonight?
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Post by terriblehondo on Oct 20, 2017 20:37:04 GMT -5
Yeah if you want to bitch about it and say NY bias I sure could not argue with you. The zone has sucked.
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Post by nomar on Oct 20, 2017 20:47:50 GMT -5
Altuve is something else.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 20, 2017 22:22:37 GMT -5
Why didn't Peacock finish this game?
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Post by bosox on Oct 20, 2017 22:26:13 GMT -5
Why didn't Peacock finish this game? Agreed. Why bring in Giles when you may need him tomorrow night. Is it a case of since he had to warm up last inning, you might as well bring him in?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 20, 2017 23:50:57 GMT -5
That was dumb to let Giles waste bullets in a 7-1 game. I hope bench coach Alex Cora didn't agree with that move.
Now we get a winner take-all 7th game. I know Sabathia goes for NY tomorrow. I didn't hear - who gets the ball for Houston?
Is it Morton? I could see NY jumping all over him? Will it be McCullers on short rest with Keuchel available in relief?
I'd think just about everybody would be available in NY's pen. Girardi was smart enough not to linger with Robertson when it was obvious he didn't have it, thus preserving him for tomorrow.
If Houston wins tomorrow there's no doubt who the MVP is. Verlander surprised me. I thought the heavy workload from Game 2 would show up in Game 6, but he was very impressive.
I really, really, really hope Game 7 equates to Yankee elimination day.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 21, 2017 4:05:06 GMT -5
That was dumb to let Giles waste bullets in a 7-1 game. I hope bench coach Alex Cora didn't agree with that move. Now we get a winner take-all 7th game. I know Sabathia goes for NY tomorrow. I didn't hear - who gets the ball for Houston? Is it Morton? I could see NY jumping all over him? Will it be McCullers on short rest with Keuchel available in relief? I'd think just about everybody would be available in NY's pen. Girardi was smart enough not to linger with Robertson when it was obvious he didn't have it, thus preserving him for tomorrow. If Houston wins tomorrow there's no doubt who the MVP is. Verlander surprised me. I thought the heavy workload from Game 2 would show up in Game 6, but he was very impressive. I really, really, really hope Game 7 equates to Yankee elimination day. McCullers will be the starter and you can almost print it in ink at this point.
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 21, 2017 6:37:35 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 21, 2017 6:49:26 GMT -5
Tangential and curmudgeon like....watching the players pimp every home run is disgusting. I feel privileged to actually have watched baseball when that stuff wasn't allowed, without repercussions. Particularly the Cubs, who are getting their butts handed to then and pull this junk. One side feels it's justifiable celebrating and why not allow the player to express emotion and joy. The other feels it's rub in your face taunting. I don't like taunting as it's unsportsmanlike. Football has limits on displays after TDs. I remember the older guard saying "when you score, act like you've been there before"...with which I am inclined to agree. OTOH, I don't like the baseball self policing of throwing at a guy who's deemed to celebrate too much. Neither situation shows what once was important...true sportsmanship....part of the "it's how you play the game" mantra.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 21, 2017 7:20:31 GMT -5
ALCS, six games six home team victories. May the trend continue.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 21, 2017 9:10:17 GMT -5
Uggh.. I'd rather see McCullers get the start. At least he could possibly give them 4 tough innings. Rather see it at the beginning of the game than in the middle of the game with Houston down. Morton has pitched poorly thus far in the post-season and I would think it would probably continue. I would anticipate about 5 good innings (2 runs) from Sabathia and then a bullpen battle, and the Astros pen is lousy and their manager wasted Giles for 23 pitches with his team up 6. I hope to hell the Astros have their hitting shoes on tonight as they're going to need it.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 21, 2017 11:08:45 GMT -5
Bats. Houston may have gotten out of its offensive slumber last night. We have to hope so because they're going to have to hit CCS to win tonight. I can't imagine that Charlie Morton and the Houston BP don't give up 6 or 7 runs, maybe more.
I was surprised to see Giles in the game last night and even more surprised to see him left out there for 23 pitches. It seems that that could affect him tonight if they need him for, let's say, five outs and 35 pitches. Dumb.
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