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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 27, 2017 9:13:00 GMT -5
I like Bell personally and would have been happy with the pick. Systematically though, Semi fits how they want to defend and play offense better than Bell does. The Celtics, since Stevens got here, have never seemed to want a player like Bell. They seem ok with a big who doesn’t shoot 3’s but Bell has no range at this point and that seems to be a nonstarter in this offense.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 27, 2017 13:51:08 GMT -5
Stevens has said before that he wants Smart shooting the ball a lot. It's in his blood for Smart to lead and take charge, which includes taking a lot of shots. From everything I've gathered Smart's troubles shooting is between his ears. Have you ever noticed when then clock is winding down or the defense is on top of him quickly and he shoots right away he hits more shots? When avery Bradley first came to the league the D was already there but his offensive game took years to develop. Smart has shown flashes of having more upside than Bradley's offensive game. I think it may eventually happen to. Smart's offensive game is mostly distributing and taking charge when there is nothing there and sometimes taking charge when he feels he needs to. I don't think he has the upside of Bradley when it comes to shooting. Smart is a confusingly good player. Always good on the plus and minus stats. Creates unforced or forced turnovers that don't show up on stat sheets. Facilitates the offense well, and even does it with Kyrie on the floor at times (that should tell everyone how Stevens feels with the ball in his hands). Proven leader, vocal in post games and in the locker room. There is a lot of good immeasurable qualities about Smart. I don't really know to put a dollar figure on those qualities though. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 27, 2017 16:23:48 GMT -5
Jordan Bell- 21 PER, WS/48 .221 which is higher than even Tatum, per 36 minutes 13.4 points, 9.4 rebounds with 3.5 offensive rebounds, 4.3 assists, 1.8 steals and 2.9 blocks
Smart- 9.5 PER, WS/48 .037, per 36 minutes 11.3 points, 4.3 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 1.4 steals and .5 blocks.
Seems clear to me who is currently better. I just don't get the he only fits on Warriors and wouldn't do that anywhere else or we don't want to play a non-shooter. Sure we aren't the Warriors, but our offense is similar. We shoot a crap load of three and our guys spend all day on the three point line. Tatum leads the league in 3 point shooting. Then the we don't want to play a non-shooter, but we play the highly inefficient Smart major minutes for D. Centers almost always are the top defenders in the league based on impact. They can take away the easy baskets, control the paint and rebound. As you can see Bell is already averaging 2.9 blocks per 36 minutes. He is an elite offensive rebounder, which is something that has been an issue for us for years. He's also a great passer for a center, which allows him to not bog down the offense. Which is exactly what you need from a big in Stevens ball moving offense. We play Baynes 18 minutes a night, we played Johnson 15-20 minutes a night.
Bell is going to rebound, defend, be a good passer and get put backs and dunks on any team. Another teams D isn't going to guard Bell over Tatum, Irving, Horford and Brown. After I spent waaay too much time studying the top 100 players in the draft, Bell seemed like the best fit for what this team needed. He can also shoot FTs unlike a guy like Jordan on the Clips.
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Post by elduche on Dec 28, 2017 6:17:25 GMT -5
How is it that the Celtics have played 38 games and tonight’s opponent Rockets have only played 32!? I’m a Celtics fan but think they are about to be blown out tonight.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 28, 2017 8:29:06 GMT -5
I don’t know why Stevens system doesn’t seem to want a player like Bell; you’ll need to ask him that question but it certainly seems to be the case.
I like Bell as a player I’m not going to argue he’s not a good player. I wanted him to be the pick there too. I’m just trying to walk you back a bit. He’s in a perfect situation.
Also, I’m not discussing Smart any further. You either believe he’s a player whose impact cannot be measured by the statistics available or you don’t.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 28, 2017 8:29:25 GMT -5
How is it that the Celtics have played 38 games and tonight’s opponent Rockets have only played 32!? I’m a Celtics fan but think they are about to be blown out tonight. It’s baffling, and I don’t think there has been enough criticism of the schedule makers. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 28, 2017 8:30:45 GMT -5
On a more positive note... Jason Tatum is awesome. He’s going to struggle for a couple week stretch at some point... i know it - i think...
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 28, 2017 8:39:19 GMT -5
On a less positive note... this team needs to get healthier... obviously, Hayward is out, but they can’t go far without Morris and with Brown banged up.
The initial win streak put this teams expectations way out of whack. This is a growth year, always was supposed to be even with Gordon. But since he’s not here there just isn’t a true secondary scorer to go with Kyrie. I’m trying to watch the season thru that lense so the ups and downs are more palatable.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 28, 2017 8:43:22 GMT -5
How is it that the Celtics have played 38 games and tonight’s opponent Rockets have only played 32!? I’m a Celtics fan but think they are about to be blown out tonight. It’s baffling, and I don’t think there has been enough criticism of the schedule makers. They had to rework the schedule this year to limit how much travel teams were doing and how many games were played in a week. They cut out the 5 games in a week - a lot of the back to backs with travel involved and some other things. This was a concession the league made so teams couldn’t rest players during road games and or nationally televised games. The league got mad that GS and SA were resting star players in the road when those fans paid to see those players or on national TV when the networks paid for those games. I’m sure that has caused stuff like this to happen. Means more rest for the Celtics second half - not so bad. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 28, 2017 10:19:47 GMT -5
How is it that the Celtics have played 38 games and tonight’s opponent Rockets have only played 32!? I’m a Celtics fan but think they are about to be blown out tonight. I don't know, Rockets haven't been very good lately. But it's yet another back-to-back, it's ridiculous how many of these the C's had to deal with lately. If I'm Stevens I'm considering resting everyone and punting this game. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 28, 2017 10:47:14 GMT -5
Wow, the Celtics have played 38 games and nobody else has played more than 36. Only three teams - Utah, Phoenix, and Dallas - have even played that many. Everyone else is between 32 and 35, with most at 34 or 35, it seems.
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Post by jmei on Dec 28, 2017 11:00:15 GMT -5
Reason for the compressed schedule is that Boston is playing in the London game and has four days off before and after that game.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 28, 2017 12:44:06 GMT -5
I don’t know why Stevens system doesn’t seem to want a player like Bell; you’ll need to ask him that question but it certainly seems to be the case. I like Bell as a player I’m not going to argue he’s not a good player. I wanted him to be the pick there too. I’m just trying to walk you back a bit. He’s in a perfect situation. Also, I’m not discussing Smart any further. You either believe he’s a player whose impact cannot be measured by the statistics available or you don’t. I do need to get off the ledge. What upsets me is because I think Bell is just like Smart. A glue type guy, a junkyard dog type player that does the little things, but also produces more raw stats. All those reason you love Smart, are the same reason you would love Bell. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 28, 2017 12:45:53 GMT -5
Reason for the compressed schedule is that Boston is playing in the London game and has four days off before and after that game. Well, meanwhile, Philly has only played 33 games though... |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 28, 2017 14:43:05 GMT -5
jmei beat me to it in regards to the schedule and the London game. C's will only play 1 game over a ten day span. But as Chris mentions the opponent in London, Philly, has only played 33 games. It doesn't make any sense. But it will play out in the C's favor to have that break and fewer games to play.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 28, 2017 15:32:13 GMT -5
The Seattle Super Sonics must love that the Celtics get 4 Days off before and after having to travel all the way to London.... errr
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 28, 2017 16:22:03 GMT -5
That time could be reasonable if they have them doing outreach and events in the days surrounding the game though. I doubt the thought was 4 days off on each side just to deal with a 5-hour time difference and 6.5-hour flight.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 28, 2017 18:02:07 GMT -5
Reason for the compressed schedule is that Boston is playing in the London game and has four days off before and after that game. That's still bullsh*t, the NBA shouldn't create schedule imbalance for some gimmick. Then players get hurt and they pretend it doesn't have anything to do with them and get pissed off when coaches rest players. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 28, 2017 18:58:01 GMT -5
The heavy workload can explain the lack of intensity and the regression at least a little. They haven't had an actual practice in a month.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 28, 2017 19:16:25 GMT -5
The heavy workload can explain the lack of intensity and the regression at least a little. They haven't had an actual practice in a month. Absolutely, and even disregarding the brutal schedule, some fluctuation is common in a long season. The Cavs lost to the Kings last night after looking unbeatable for a while, the Rockets lost to the Clippers and the Lakers back to back, the Raptors lost to some terrible team this week as well. It happens. I'm more concerned about the poor depth at the 4 and 5. They need a good big body there badly. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 28, 2017 22:40:51 GMT -5
That is a good win! Harden is an idiot.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 28, 2017 22:42:34 GMT -5
Sweet Jesus, what did I just watch? LOL, screw you Harden.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 28, 2017 22:50:37 GMT -5
That is a good win! Harden is an idiot. Smart's value can't be measured in a stat sheet. Tonight was the best example of this. Smart forced both turnovers against Harden that will never show up in a stat sheet. |
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 28, 2017 22:51:58 GMT -5
And THAT'S why Smart is more valuable than Bell.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 28, 2017 23:34:32 GMT -5
That is a good win! Harden is an idiot. Smart's value can't be measured in a stat sheet. Tonight was the best example of this. Smart forced both turnovers against Harden that will never show up in a stat sheet. Smart played great D, but Harden was stupid. I can see one of them, but two of them is just him being an idiot. He was bad most of the game, like that 3 pointer that was almost at half court. In my opinion Harden forced those two turnovers, sure Smarts great D played a big part, but he didn't make Harden throw two elbows back to back. It was like Harden had a mini meltdown and it was fun to watch. The look on his face was priceless after the game. |
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