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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 21, 2017 23:55:54 GMT -5
I like Semi, but passing on Jordan Bell looks like a mistake. The guy looks like a modern day Ben Wallace, heck he might be better.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 22, 2017 4:54:23 GMT -5
The Celtics just aren’t a good basketball team at the moment. Yeah that'll happen when you play Nader, Yabu, and Semi a lot of minutes. The Celtics need some bench scoring and they need their regulars to not miss so many games. Brown was missing tonight. Morris is taking a vacation. Hayward is out. Not to mention Baynes hasn't been good lately. Danny might need to make a trade soon if Morris can't come back. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 22, 2017 16:18:20 GMT -5
Baynes looks like he turned into a pumkin, which is a huge issue. Most of his numbers are now below his career norms. His already poor rebounding rate for a center is down, his PER is down. Even his D seems to be declining. Looking like a good bench player, not a guy that should be starting. He's no Jordan Bell!! I really like Theiss, great small ball center. I just don't get passing on Bell. Bell is going to make some all NBA defensive teams and maybe even some defensive player of the year awards. The guy is a stud defensive player that fell into our laps and we passed. Bell would help our D, rebounding, he protects the paint like no player we have and is a good passer.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 22, 2017 17:56:05 GMT -5
Baynes looks like he turned into a pumkin, which is a huge issue. Most of his numbers are now below his career norms. His already poor rebounding rate for a center is down, his PER is down. Even his D seems to be declining. Looking like a good bench player, not a guy that should be starting. He's no Jordan Bell!! I really like Theiss, great small ball center. I just don't get passing on Bell. Bell is going to make some all NBA defensive teams and maybe even some defensive player of the year awards. The guy is a stud defensive player that fell into our laps and we passed. Bell would help our D, rebounding, he protects the paint like no player we have and is a good passer. Drafting is not an exact science and I think Danny has done a pretty good job thru the years. It isn't a reasonable position to say who they should have picked after the fact. Every year there are guys who out play their draft spot so every year many GMs screw it up if you are looking at it thru that lens. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 22, 2017 18:18:25 GMT -5
Baynes looks like he turned into a pumkin, which is a huge issue. Most of his numbers are now below his career norms. His already poor rebounding rate for a center is down, his PER is down. Even his D seems to be declining. Looking like a good bench player, not a guy that should be starting. He's no Jordan Bell!! I really like Theiss, great small ball center. I just don't get passing on Bell. Bell is going to make some all NBA defensive teams and maybe even some defensive player of the year awards. The guy is a stud defensive player that fell into our laps and we passed. Bell would help our D, rebounding, he protects the paint like no player we have and is a good passer. Drafting is not an exact science and I think Danny has done a pretty good job thru the years. It isn't a reasonable position to say who they should have picked after the fact. Every year there are guys who out play their draft spot so every year many GMs screw it up if you are looking at it thru that lens. I get that and overall Danny has done great. That being said I wanted Bell from almost day one. He was exactly what we needed. His stock then went sky high. Everyone had him in the mid 20s in mocks. Then on draft night he fell right to us. I was like omg, we get Tatum, then we are gifted Bell, this will be epic. He was the clear cut top talent available. We picked Semi instead. Not a bad pick, overall maybe even a good pick, untill you add in we passed on Bell. I'm upset because I'm not using hindsight. On draft night it seemed clear that Bell made perfect sense. D and Rebounding translate to the NBA at a very high rate. Bell is such a good athlete, rebounder and defender that he was among the safer players in the whole draft. Yet Danny wanted to draft another wing player, when we have a ton of them. I was mad on draft night and I'm still mad now. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 23, 2017 6:37:42 GMT -5
You could say the same thing about Jordan Mickey.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 23, 2017 9:33:34 GMT -5
Some regression is fine, and entirely expected. It’s the lack of effort in D and especially the boards that bothers me. Yeah I agree. The lack of minutes given to Baynes is particularly baffling. Stevens always has these stretches in the season where it seems like he's more worried about experimenting on stuff than actually winning. I don't thinks he's not trying to win but a good coach has to experiment too. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 23, 2017 9:40:18 GMT -5
Stevens has said before that he wants Smart shooting the ball a lot. It's in his blood for Smart to lead and take charge, which includes taking a lot of shots. From everything I've gathered Smart's troubles shooting is between his ears. Have you ever noticed when then clock is winding down or the defense is on top of him quickly and he shoots right away he hits more shots? When avery Bradley first came to the league the D was already there but his offensive game took years to develop. Smart has shown flashes of having more upside than Bradley's offensive game. I think it may eventually happen to. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 23, 2017 15:23:31 GMT -5
You could say the same thing about Jordan Mickey. Mickey was a great rebounder and shot blocker in College and the D league. A good athlete for a guy his size. Bell is a great athlete. He had some of the best lane agility and shuttle run times ever recorded at the combine for a pf/c. He was better than a bunch of guards. There is no comparison athletically between the two. It's like comparing Smart to Rozier. Smart might be a good athlete, but Rozier is a great athlete. Bell was pac-12 defensive player of the year. Had dominant games in the tourney, then dominated the NBA combine and 5 on 5 play. I really liked Mickey, but I loved Bell. Bell is like combining Smart and Rozier, he's that type of defender. He has it all. BTW Mickey getting his first real playing time at the age of 23 with Miami is playing good D and rebounding very well. 30% Defensive rebounding rate and just under 20% total rebounding rate. He has better rebounding numbers than any player on the Celtics. So if he's your example that D and rebounding don't translate, it's a bad choice. We just never gave him a chance for some reason. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 24, 2017 8:23:01 GMT -5
We could all solve this by convincing the Suns to give up Alex Len. Come on Phoenix, you know you want to.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 25, 2017 19:02:54 GMT -5
Nice to see the Celtics gift the Wizards layup after layup for Christmas.
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Post by cwaaa on Dec 25, 2017 19:29:01 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Marcus Morris would ever play over the Jays? Like a single minute?
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 25, 2017 19:44:00 GMT -5
Stevens watches a 5-point lead turn into a 7-point deficit before getting off his hands and calling a timeout.
He still hasn’t learned in that regard.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 25, 2017 19:49:02 GMT -5
This team has regressed in every facet over the past month. You really have to question why the coaching staff hasn’t addressed any of their defensive issues.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 25, 2017 19:54:31 GMT -5
Stevens coaches this team to a loss tonight. This hasn’t been his finest performance.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 25, 2017 21:07:44 GMT -5
Stevens coaches this team to a loss tonight. This hasn’t been his finest performance. I'm not sure it was his fault, but yeah he could have been a bit more energetic. Stevens gets praised like he's Pop sometimes, however Pop would murder someone if they didn't box out at all for an entire quarter. There were some funky bounces here and there, but the 4th quarter was fundamentally poor in that regard. Offense looked terrible all game as well, where's the movement? Where's the beautiful passing game? This team needs a big. Again. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 26, 2017 6:44:30 GMT -5
It’s a lot easier for a guy like Bell to do what he does in Golden State than Boston. He doesn’t fit the system here - we don’t have the shooters they have out there. Imagine Smart and Bell on the court together?
Semi theoretically fits perfectly with this group despite him being a wing or not. Let’s revisit this in 2-3 years. If Semi is a 40% guy from 3 playing the defense he’s shown he’s capable of playing then we are having a different talk.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 26, 2017 8:12:44 GMT -5
Stevens coaches this team to a loss tonight. This hasn’t been his finest performance. I'm not sure it was his fault, but yeah he could have been a bit more energetic. Stevens gets praised like he's Pop sometimes, however Pop would murder someone if they didn't box out at all for an entire quarter. There were some funky bounces here and there, but the 4th quarter was fundamentally poor in that regard. Offense looked terrible all game as well, where's the movement? Where's the beautiful passing game? This team needs a big. Again. Theis has shown to be more than serviceable, but Stevens inexplicably played him just 18 minutes. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 26, 2017 8:47:49 GMT -5
Growing pains, we knew they would come.
Next year is the year to complain when they seem lost as they have already blown away expectations for this year without GH. There is much reason for optimism that this team will compete for it all in the coming years. They have the core and the assets still to make a move that puts them in position to compete with anyone. Also you can't forget that they have the third youngest team in the league right now so they will have times when they can't finish against a good team.
2019-2020 season should be the target for peaking as the youth will have matured and they will have some serious playoff experience by then. Patience is a virtue.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 26, 2017 10:49:43 GMT -5
Growing pains doesn’t explain the lack of effort on D or the boards.
I do think they deserve some slack based on their schedule - absolutely horrible job by the NBA on that front. But it doesn’t explain away all of the struggles, or Stevens’ reluctance to play Theis the minutes he deserves.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 26, 2017 12:06:32 GMT -5
Growing pains doesn’t explain the lack of effort on D or the boards. I do think they deserve some slack based on their schedule - absolutely horrible job by the NBA on that front. But it doesn’t explain away all of the struggles, or Stevens’ reluctance to play Theis the minutes he deserves. Yeah, Stevens hates big men who are prototypical big men it seems. If they can't defend 3-4 different positions instead of 1 or 2 positions like Theis, you're not getting a lot of minutes. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 26, 2017 15:33:43 GMT -5
It’s a lot easier for a guy like Bell to do what he does in Golden State than Boston. He doesn’t fit the system here - we don’t have the shooters they have out there. Imagine Smart and Bell on the court together? Semi theoretically fits perfectly with this group despite him being a wing or not. Let’s revisit this in 2-3 years. If Semi is a 40% guy from 3 playing the defense he’s shown he’s capable of playing then we are having a different talk. Our starting lineup has been Baynes, Horford, Tatum, Brown and Irving. That is 4 guys that are shooting well. At the least Bell would be a massive upgrade for the 18 minutes Baynes plays a night. I would also rather have my non shooter be a PF/C, than a guard. Bell might already be a more impactful defender than Smart is. Smart is a useful player, but you don't build a team around him. You don't not draft Bell because you don't think he can play with Smart. That sounds crazy because I already think Bell is a better player than Smart. Bell was exactly what we needed and still need. |
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 26, 2017 18:09:50 GMT -5
And he’s not here, so why are we wasting out time arguing another moot point?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 26, 2017 20:40:38 GMT -5
And he’s not here, so why are we wasting out time arguing another moot point? We can't debate what a team should have done or what they should do? Come on this thread isn't to just complain daily about how the team is playing. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 27, 2017 9:10:16 GMT -5
Bell is already a better player than Smart? That’s a bit of an exaggeration and no I wouldn’t not draft a guy based on Marcus Smart or really almost anyone if they were that much better.
Bell is a good player but he wouldn’t be doing the same thing on any other team right now, including the Celtics. Brown - Tatum and Horford are shooting well right now but they don’t command the attention of the GS shooters because their track records don’t warrant that. Bell gets points simply by rebounding and/or teams ignoring him - he has no offensive game right now - which is fine he’s a young rookie and he plays for a team perfect for him.
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