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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 12, 2017 13:49:34 GMT -5
I want to complain about the D, but they played the whole bench. So they get a pass. Lou Williams would have been great for a game like this.😁 Oh yes he would be. This might sound ridiculous, but I wish there was a way for Danny to acquire both Williams and Jordan in a package that didn't involve the Lakers/Kings pick. It would solve the need for a scorer and it would be a nice upgrade from Baynes. I like Baynes, but he's the weak link. Doc could gift us one there, it's not like he was able to pull off a good trade when he actually tried to. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 12, 2017 14:27:00 GMT -5
I don't think you can combine the trade exception. So it would be trade exception for Williams, then just trade for Jordan. That would take Baynes, Morris, Smart and Yabu. Maybe even one more salary. We don't have many big contracts to match up with Jordans huge salary.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 12, 2017 14:54:32 GMT -5
I don't think you can combine the trade exception. So it would be trade exception for Williams, then just trade for Jordan. That would take Baynes, Morris, Smart and Yabu. Maybe even one more salary. We don't have many big contracts to match up with Jordans huge salary. Yeah, I know there's no feasible way we can acquire Jordan and Williams. But that would be really nice and would solve the biggest questions by far about the roster. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 13, 2017 8:33:52 GMT -5
It was a great learning experience for those two players. Still surprised that we have yet to see Tatum take over a game or even really try too. I keep waiting for the switch to go on like it did at Duke after the first 10 games or so. He just seems to be playing within the system, never trying to create for himself. I want to complain about the D, but they played the whole bench. So they get a pass. Lou Williams would have been great for a game like this.😁 I was hoping to see Tatum take the next step and try to be more aggressive with Kyrie out but obviously that didn't happen. Maybe tonight with Horford sitting and Kyrie facilitating he will be more assertive. I feel like we are being teased by his potential. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 14, 2017 8:25:56 GMT -5
IT'S ON.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 15, 2017 20:59:29 GMT -5
Oh look, the Celtics not playing defense again.
Getting blitzed by the Bulls and now Utah without Gobert. You really can’t say enough bad things about this team’s effort level of late.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 15, 2017 21:36:02 GMT -5
Utah is trash without Gobert, and the Celts didn’t even put up a fight.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 15, 2017 22:57:16 GMT -5
Yeah, that wasn't great. Team seems to be regressing some lately, which was to be expected. The lead over Cleveland is suddenly not safe at all.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 16, 2017 10:07:00 GMT -5
Some regression is fine, and entirely expected. It’s the lack of effort in D and especially the boards that bothers me.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 16, 2017 11:08:07 GMT -5
Some regression is fine, and entirely expected. It’s the lack of effort in D and especially the boards that bothers me. Yeah I agree. The lack of minutes given to Baynes is particularly baffling. Stevens always has these stretches in the season where it seems like he's more worried about experimenting on stuff than actually winning. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 16, 2017 16:27:58 GMT -5
Last nights loss is a hard one, but I don't blame Stevens. Baynes is not a great rebounder, it's his D that is great against interior scoring. So the minute Gobbert goes out playing Baynes big minutes doesn't make much sense. Theiss going down was a huge problem, as he could have made a huge difference. They killed us by making over 50% of there 3s and waay out rebounding us. It's a bad matchup because they have real good rebounding guards also, so we don't have that huge advantage like we normally do. Also we didn't have Morris and he could have really helped in a game like this.
Overall we won't win many games if Tatum, Brown, Smart and Rozier all have crap games. Watching Smart take so many shots is crazy. If you want to blame Stevens for anything it should be Smart taking 13 shots, while Tatum and Brown take 14.
I have seen enough games when they really struggle to score. I am willing to pull the trigger on trading a late first for Lou Williams.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 16, 2017 18:34:34 GMT -5
Overall we won't win many games if Tatum, Brown, Smart and Rozier all have crap games. Watching Smart take so many shots is crazy. If you want to blame Stevens for anything it should be Smart taking 13 shots, while Tatum and Brown take 14. Yeah that is a potentially bigger problem, but I don't know how to fix it. Smart is for better or worse the team's 6th man, so how do you tell a guy like that to shoot less? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 16, 2017 20:55:19 GMT -5
Chris Mannix brought up Tyreke Evans as a possible trade target. Would that be a second target for bench scoring this year?
Maybe.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 16, 2017 22:37:29 GMT -5
Overall we won't win many games if Tatum, Brown, Smart and Rozier all have crap games. Watching Smart take so many shots is crazy. If you want to blame Stevens for anything it should be Smart taking 13 shots, while Tatum and Brown take 14. Yeah that is a potentially bigger problem, but I don't know how to fix it. Smart is for better or worse the team's 6th man, so how do you tell a guy like that to shoot less? You don't, you get Tatum and Brown to shoot more. Smart is a willing passer, but take shots sometimes because no one else will. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 16, 2017 22:40:18 GMT -5
Chris Mannix brought up Tyreke Evans as a possible trade target. Would that be a second target for bench scoring this year? Maybe. At first I laughed, thinking of the old Evans. Over the last two years he has really improved his 3 point shot. He is playing better than every before. I would still prefer Williams, but Evans also makes sense. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 16, 2017 22:46:42 GMT -5
Gasol seriously just scored 21 points in that quarter hitting 3s like there's no tomorrow. Life just sucks. You don't, you get Tatum and Brown to shoot more. Smart is a willing passer, but take shots sometimes because no one else will. Thus far it has happened in this game, both have more shots than Smart. Tatum is not ready to be a leading scorer in any night and Brown can do that but he's still too inconsistent, however both could be contributing more with Horford coming back to earth a bit. Thing is I have to wonder if expecting that is even realistic. I like them very, very much, but Hayward has been badly missed in the past few games to lift some of that responsibility from them. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 17, 2017 1:10:32 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet the Tatum and Brown are taking less shots because their role on the team. Stevens is most likely designing these plays so that so much of the burden on offense doesn't rest on their shoulders. It's tough enough playing defense in that league and I bet that is where Stevens is wanting Brown and Tatum to focus their energy until they grow as players.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 17, 2017 16:06:51 GMT -5
So you think Stevens is designing plays for Smart to get 13 shots? From what Stevens has said his offense is based on ball movement and guys taking the good shots when they get them. Smart isn't getting that many good looks, he is creating a ton of shots. I think we can all agree the last thing you want is Smart doing that. Not saying to make those two top scorers, but they should be shooting more than Smart. Smart is better passing the ball than shooting it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 17, 2017 16:26:03 GMT -5
Stevens has said before that he wants Smart shooting the ball a lot. It's in his blood for Smart to lead and take charge, which includes taking a lot of shots.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 18, 2017 21:24:31 GMT -5
Freaking Brown just made the worst foul of the season and then can't hit a free throw. What a bad game. The Celtics had a 19 point lead at one point.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 18, 2017 21:31:12 GMT -5
Freaking Brown just made the worst foul of the season and then can't hit a free throw. What a bad game. The Celtics had a 19 point lead at one point. Lol and they win. Boston sports is going to give me a heart attack twice in 2 days. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 18, 2017 22:23:52 GMT -5
That play by Rozier was somehow even more impressive than it looked. Just impeccable time to get a jump on that ball and holy nuts those long arms are everywhere.
The Celtics are far from perfect and they can be maddening, but wins like these are AMAZING.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 20, 2017 21:56:38 GMT -5
You really can’t say enough bad things about the effort level of this team.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 21, 2017 22:16:51 GMT -5
The Celtics just aren’t a good basketball team at the moment.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 21, 2017 22:58:25 GMT -5
This was an unacceptable performance. Every game a middling NBA player completely takes over against the Celtics. Team was actually playing good ball for a bit in the 3rd and then it all went away. Terrible defense, predictable offense, bad team right now.
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