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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 29, 2017 23:16:27 GMT -5
On a positive note there is only 1 team in the league with fewer wins than the Lakers at the moment. IMO the ping pong balls owe the C's a bit of luck and a pick between 2 and 5 this year would suffice. With the Dallas win today the Lakers would own the 3rd worse spot. I like our odds of landing 2-5, I still expect a few teams to crank up the tank the last 1/2 of the season but I’m a little more optimistic now. And it just so happens there are a few legit Centers/Forwards in this draft who have superstar potential. If the Celtics traded away the #1 pick, and the Nets pick for Tatum, Kyrie and one of Ayton, Bagley, or Bamba then that would just be bananas. Yup, this draft has the bigs that would round out the C's very well if it comes to fruition. One can only hope, while watching the standings every day. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 30, 2017 8:32:09 GMT -5
I’m trying to not get excited about the Lakers pick. It’s hard not to keep an eye on it though and i love where it sits. There’s a huge number of teams who are all in that 11-13 win range though it could just as easily be 11 as 3.
The wet dream scenario is the second pick and taking Bagley, but let’s not think about that yet. I know he’s not a center but it doesn’t matter.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 30, 2017 14:56:07 GMT -5
I’m trying to not get excited about the Lakers pick. It’s hard not to keep an eye on it though and i love where it sits. There’s a huge number of teams who are all in that 11-13 win range though it could just as easily be 11 as 3. The wet dream scenario is the second pick and taking Bagley, but let’s not think about that yet. I know he’s not a center but it doesn’t matter. I think landing a top 5 pick in this draft for the troubles of drafting Tatum could end up being Danny's best move yet and that is saying a lot. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 31, 2017 23:37:04 GMT -5
After losing their best (2nd best?) player for the season 5 minutes into the season, the Celtics are the first team in the NBA to reach 30 wins. This has been one special journey and while it likely won't end up with a title, we should all enjoy it because it gets ugly, it gets tense, but it gets freaking beautiful.
Here's for a great 2018 to everyone here! Cheers!
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 2, 2018 7:50:02 GMT -5
Nothing new here and UMass and I have been keeping an eye on this pick but this is a good write up on the Memphis pick and it’s possible impact on this franchise.
If we end up with a high lottery pick in 5 years, it’s amazing what it could do to extend this window.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 2, 2018 7:59:03 GMT -5
Wanted to separate this post. I truly hope ownership is going to be willing to pay the tax man to keep this team together over the long haul. There could be a couple years where they have 4 max or near max deals and I don’t want to hear they can’t do it because they could and while they may not make as much money they certainly won’t be losing money.
It’s kind of funny, once you get good draft picks can be looked at as less valuable but if you want to extend the window hitting on those picks even just for role players is highly important.
Lakers lost again...
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 2, 2018 9:41:14 GMT -5
Wanted to separate this post. I truly hope ownership is going to be willing to pay the tax man to keep this team together over the long haul. There could be a couple years where they have 4 max or near max deals and I don’t want to hear they can’t do it because they could and while they may not make as much money they certainly won’t be losing money. It’s kind of funny, once you get good draft picks can be looked at as less valuable but if you want to extend the window hitting on those picks even just for role players is highly important. Lakers lost again... Wic has said that he will so I trust he will. We might find out this offseason. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 2, 2018 10:28:20 GMT -5
The only one this offseason is Marcus and he’s restricted. No chance he gets a big money contract restricted or not. I expect them to resign him even if just at one year and good money to have a salary for trade purposes. Right now their biggest issue with trades is no matching salaries.
Marcus for one year i could see getting $15m+ for a few reasons.
1. The team needs a good size salary to help match in any big trade.
2. Marcus might not be willing to sign longterm at what he perceives to be below market money. His offers will be low or nonexistent and he will blame that on the restricted status, which leads to...
3. They could build some good will, for the following year, if they decided to keep him long-term and the AAV is lower than he wishes. Basically, I would expect them to let him go out and see what his market is like Belichick did with Hightower. Smart will likely find there aren’t teams willing and able to spend the money for his services. He is the perfect bird rights type guy. He’s valuable to a team winning but you need to have your Star’s salaries slotted before he can start taking up money. NBA roster building is complex in that it is just as much about when you add the salary as it is about who you pay. Over paying him next year for one year is good timing for the team and it helps Marcus take less money the following years. I’m curious to see if Philly did the same with JJ Reddick last year.
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Post by ianrs on Jan 3, 2018 13:55:20 GMT -5
Isaiah looked amazing in his return considering the circumstances. The Cavs look extremely legit.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 3, 2018 14:18:21 GMT -5
Isaiah looked amazing in his return considering the circumstances. The Cavs look extremely legit. The Celtics nightmare scenario after Hayward went down. That isn't good for the Celtics. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 3, 2018 18:58:39 GMT -5
The only “nightmare” scenarios for the Celtics this year is a significant long term injury to a key player and a first round exit from the playoffs. They weren’t supposed to beat the Cavs this year with Hayward and they certainly aren’t supposed to beat them now. It’s possible but not likely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 20:20:49 GMT -5
The 65" is fired up. Wings and fries. My Lebron is a B@#ch shirt on. Dropkick Murphys playing . All set ready to go. GO CELTS!!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 3, 2018 20:49:13 GMT -5
The only “nightmare” scenarios for the Celtics this year is a significant long term injury to a key player and a first round exit from the playoffs. They weren’t supposed to beat the Cavs this year with Hayward and they certainly aren’t supposed to beat them now. It’s possible but not likely. I would of given them a shot with Hayward. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 3, 2018 22:10:56 GMT -5
Rozier with an En Fuego game, great all around game from Tatum and where has Crowder gone...
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 3, 2018 23:08:21 GMT -5
Rozier with an En Fuego game, great all around game from Tatum and where has Crowder gone... Crowder has looked awful every time I watched him this year. Not sure what kind of voodoo Stevens worked with him, but it seems it's gone now in Cleveland. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 23:09:02 GMT -5
The Hayward injury was a terrible incident in the Celtics season. The loss of Hayward looked to be the of the Celtics championship drive after just 5 minutes.
But there is something good that came out of his injury. And that was the development of Rozier Tatum and Brown. I think this makes the Celtics a odds on favorite to win the NBA championship this year and beyond
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 4, 2018 0:41:36 GMT -5
I agree about the good that has occurred with the named players, but I feel we are still a reliable scorer short on the second unit as well as a flyswatter/rebounder like Noel.
Lakers losing again big and at home!!! I hope Ball continues to sit...
Nets win again too. Woo hoo a great night.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 4, 2018 0:58:30 GMT -5
The only one this offseason is Marcus and he’s restricted. No chance he gets a big money contract restricted or not. I expect them to resign him even if just at one year and good money to have a salary for trade purposes. Right now their biggest issue with trades is no matching salaries. Marcus for one year i could see getting $15m+ for a few reasons. 1. The team needs a good size salary to help match in any big trade. 2. Marcus might not be willing to sign longterm at what he perceives to be below market money. His offers will be low or nonexistent and he will blame that on the restricted status, which leads to... 3. They could build some good will, for the following year, if they decided to keep him long-term and the AAV is lower than he wishes. Basically, I would expect them to let him go out and see what his market is like Belichick did with Hightower. Smart will likely find there aren’t teams willing and able to spend the money for his services. He is the perfect bird rights type guy. He’s valuable to a team winning but you need to have your Star’s salaries slotted before he can start taking up money. NBA roster building is complex in that it is just as much about when you add the salary as it is about who you pay. Over paying him next year for one year is good timing for the team and it helps Marcus take less money the following years. I’m curious to see if Philly did the same with JJ Reddick last year. I agree, the teams that will want him will offer the mid-level exception which maxes out at 4 years 38 million. I can see most teams not even bothering as the Celtics would love a deal like that or they should. A one year overpay could make sense. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 4, 2018 9:42:15 GMT -5
The only “nightmare” scenarios for the Celtics this year is a significant long term injury to a key player and a first round exit from the playoffs. They weren’t supposed to beat the Cavs this year with Hayward and they certainly aren’t supposed to beat them now. It’s possible but not likely. I would of given them a shot with Hayward. Coming into the season no one here was talking Championship this year and only an outside shot at a finals appearance. The common belief was it was going to take time to meld and that they needed another year (maybe 2) of Jaylen and Tatum to develop. No one expected Tatum to be this good on either end. Even tho we expected him to score it was supposed to be inefficient and his defense was supposed to be a problem. Jaylen, was a bit more predictable but even still his 3 point shooting has been way more advanced than anyone reasonably could have expected. His defense is less surprising but it’s been a huge step forward. One thing is the sample sizes for Tatum and Brown are too small to know for sure their 3 point shooting is for real. But both their strokes look good. Overall point is - this was always supposed to be a stepping stone year - it’s always possible the stars align and you arrive a year early but things preventing that are not nightmare scenarios. Maybe the Lakers ending up with the number 1 pick would be a nightmare for us as the Sixers getting another talent like that could be REALLY bad longterm. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 4, 2018 9:45:12 GMT -5
The Hayward injury was a terrible incident in the Celtics season. The loss of Hayward looked to be the of the Celtics championship drive after just 5 minutes. But there is something good that came out of his injury. And that was the development of Rozier Tatum and Brown. I think this makes the Celtics a odds on favorite to win the NBA championship this year and beyond What do you consider an “odds on favorite”? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 4, 2018 11:56:19 GMT -5
Nets win again too. Woo hoo a great night. This brings a smile to my face. I can't wait to see the bullsh*t incompetent sports media that unanimously got on Danny's case for giving up too much for Kyrie do a mea culpa when the Lakers pick turns out to be higher than the Nets. Oh right, that would never happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 13:33:52 GMT -5
The Hayward injury was a terrible incident in the Celtics season. The loss of Hayward looked to be the of the Celtics championship drive after just 5 minutes. But there is something good that came out of his injury. And that was the development of Rozier Tatum and Brown. I think this makes the Celtics a odds on favorite to win the NBA championship this year and beyond What do you consider an “odds on favorite”? Barring another major injury the Celtics have a very deep bench. Celtics have 5-6 players averaging 9-14 points a game. And if I understand correctly they could add another player and go over the payroll limit. I believe there's an amount of money they can use due to major injury |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 4, 2018 13:52:24 GMT -5
Getting Smart for 4/38 sounds great to me but I think it will take a lot more than that. Whether it is a fair one year deal or a favorable 2+ year deal Danny has some tough choices to make with the longterm cap decisions over the next 3 years. I really like Smart but he might not fit beyond next year and they should really consider investing more in a 5. Horford needs to play the 4 more especially as he ages and the C's weakness is still at the 5.
Of course the Lakers pick could solve that problem. They now are just 1 game out of the #1 slot going into the lottery, which I know is a long way away but.... I love seeing how many of the bottom 10 are having 5-5 and 4-6 10 game stretches and I really think the Lakers will struggle down the stretch. Lots of young guys to hit the rookie wall. A man can hope!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 4, 2018 14:55:21 GMT -5
The Lakers have a good amount of talent, which is why I always thought no way we get it. Thing is Walton seems like an average or worst coach. Doesn't know how to make that roster work. Lopez might be having his worst season every. KCP is in a halfway house and can't play in road games. Really? It couldn't wait till offseason? Usually judges allow that so you can work. Add to that they are actively trying to trade Clarkson and Randle to clear salary for next year. Then most of those bottom teams started winning because of young guys. They won't bench those guys at the end of the year to tank. So our chances seem to have improved.
On a side note Randle is an interesting guy to consider as a trade target. He just keeps getting better. Would be a huge upgrade as a scorer compared to Baynes and Theiss.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 4, 2018 15:18:49 GMT -5
I would of given them a shot with Hayward. Coming into the season no one here was talking Championship this year and only an outside shot at a finals appearance. The common belief was it was going to take time to meld and that they needed another year (maybe 2) of Jaylen and Tatum to develop. No one expected Tatum to be this good on either end. Even tho we expected him to score it was supposed to be inefficient and his defense was supposed to be a problem. Jaylen, was a bit more predictable but even still his 3 point shooting has been way more advanced than anyone reasonably could have expected. His defense is less surprising but it’s been a huge step forward. One thing is the sample sizes for Tatum and Brown are too small to know for sure their 3 point shooting is for real. But both their strokes look good. Overall point is - this was always supposed to be a stepping stone year - it’s always possible the stars align and you arrive a year early but things preventing that are not nightmare scenarios. Maybe the Lakers ending up with the number 1 pick would be a nightmare for us as the Sixers getting another talent like that could be REALLY bad longterm. I just looked at it differently. I see Boston's big 3 of Hayward, Horford, and Irving versus Cleveland's big 3 of Isaah, LeBron, and Love. Brown, Morris, and Tatum would of been the sidekicks to all of this. It would of added to the Celtics dynamic and could of given the Celtics a edge over the Cavs role players and bench. |
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