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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 4, 2018 16:00:51 GMT -5
Getting Smart for 4/38 sounds great to me but I think it will take a lot more than that. Whether it is a fair one year deal or a favorable 2+ year deal Danny has some tough choices to make with the longterm cap decisions over the next 3 years. I really like Smart but he might not fit beyond next year and they should really consider investing more in a 5. Horford needs to play the 4 more especially as he ages and the C's weakness is still at the 5. Of course the Lakers pick could solve that problem. They now are just 1 game out of the #1 slot going into the lottery, which I know is a long way away but.... I love seeing how many of the bottom 10 are having 5-5 and 4-6 10 game stretches and I really think the Lakers will struggle down the stretch. Lots of young guys to hit the rookie wall. A man can hope! What do you think it takes? I think Rip is right on about maybe going higher on a one year deal. Gives you the salary need to trade for another big contract. Makes him happy, but I don't think he'll ever get close to what he wants. He's dreaming of Turner and Crabbe type money and I just don't see that happening. You never know, but it seems very unlikely. I also would try to sign him long-term start out at 5 years 50 million and would go to 60 million if it got it done. If he declines give him the 1 year 15 million. The hard thing will be if a team goes crazy and gives him a big offer. Given the fact that I can't see how we get cap space again for a long time. You hate to lose assets for nothing. Not a time for our owner to get cheap. If we are smart and our owner spends we seem to be on the verge of becoming the next Warriors. I know everyone thinks I dislike Smart, I don't. More than willing to give him a good sized long-term contract, but at around 10% of the cap, not 15-20%. I think that's a very fair deal for him. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 4, 2018 17:16:33 GMT -5
The Lakers have a good amount of talent, which is why I always thought no way we get it. Thing is Walton seems like an average or worst coach. Doesn't know how to make that roster work. Lopez might be having his worst season every. KCP is in a halfway house and can't play in road games. Really? It couldn't wait till offseason? Usually judges allow that so you can work. Add to that they are actively trying to trade Clarkson and Randle to clear salary for next year. Then most of those bottom teams started winning because of young guys. They won't bench those guys at the end of the year to tank. So our chances seem to have improved. On a side note Randle is an interesting guy to consider as a trade target. He just keeps getting better. Would be a huge upgrade as a scorer compared to Baynes and Theiss. Agreed about Randle, but I'm not sure their failure is on Walton and I disagree about the Lakers talent level. Pretty much all of their young guys are awful defenders and Ingram hasn't been able to take a huge step towards stardom. He's been better, sure, but he's n inefficient scorer on a terrible team, so that harshly limits their ceiling. They're very middling and very young, that's a hard hand for any coach to deal with. Despite their limitations defensively on personnel, they have the 15th best defense in the league. Dead middle. That's not a bad job by the coach by any means and if they were still coached by Byron Scott they'd probably be a lock to end the season with the NBA's worst record. Put Ty Lue there and the Browns might win before they do. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 4, 2018 20:14:14 GMT -5
The Lakers have a good amount of talent, which is why I always thought no way we get it. Thing is Walton seems like an average or worst coach. Doesn't know how to make that roster work. Lopez might be having his worst season every. KCP is in a halfway house and can't play in road games. Really? It couldn't wait till offseason? Usually judges allow that so you can work. Add to that they are actively trying to trade Clarkson and Randle to clear salary for next year. Then most of those bottom teams started winning because of young guys. They won't bench those guys at the end of the year to tank. So our chances seem to have improved. On a side note Randle is an interesting guy to consider as a trade target. He just keeps getting better. Would be a huge upgrade as a scorer compared to Baynes and Theiss. Yeah Randle has looked good...has offensive talent and can rebound. I stayed up late (am on east coast) to watch the Laker game. Lakers scored the first 10 points and still lost by 37...at home! They looked awful....so many bad passes, missed layups...sloppy, sloppy....Oooff. They can't be that bad. I think Ball is a stabilizer and galvanizer. I still think they will finish outside the bottom 5 once Ball returns and Kuzma recovers, but......what if...? And, what if they unload Randle for a draft pick?? Then we be talkin'. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 4, 2018 20:30:53 GMT -5
Not sure who you think is awful among there young guys. They are young highly athletic type guys, everyone of them. Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Randle and Hart. Then they have Pope, Brewer, Nance and Bogut that are high level defenders. Even Lopez has become decent over the years. They don't have a bunch of Kyle Kover type players or guys like Thomas who single handily can really hurt your D. Overall they have been stacking that team with players like Boston.
My biggest issue is the offense. Running it through Ingram and to a lesser extent Kuzma. Taking the ball out of Balls hand all the time, so instead of running offense, they have Ingram and Kuzma play isolation basketball. Has Lopez having his worst season of his career. The way it took him forever to give Randle more playing time. Even his lineups seem crazy half the time. Every game I watch just makes me love Stevens more.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 4, 2018 20:43:15 GMT -5
I agree with you. They have a lot of high choices and talent on that roster. I would love to have Kuzma...a steal! Get Ball back and sign LeBron plus George and they could be very tough next year.
As I said, I don't see them as a bottom 5 team currently based on talent. They played horribly last night.
Losing by 37 at home given that talent says something integral is missing. Is it youth? Is it coaching? Is it missing Ball? Was it just a bad game? Has the team given up?
But Randle impressed. If he is traded for draft picks, the talent level and expectations for the Lakers this year decline...
Here's a question. If the Celtics use the injured player exception, does that prevent Hayward's return or does that mean the player signed under the exception must be released if Hayward is ready?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 4, 2018 21:10:12 GMT -5
We have plenty of picks to deal. At this point young, but experienced players like Randle make sense. Also he is a restricted free agent after the year. We can't keep all of our young guys and up coming draft picks.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 5, 2018 1:22:55 GMT -5
Here's a question. If the Celtics use the injured player exception, does that prevent Hayward's return or does that mean the player signed under the exception must be released if Hayward is ready? Hayward returning would not do anything to the exception or the player they will use it on. They are completely unrelated at this point. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 5, 2018 3:17:20 GMT -5
I agree with you. They have a lot of high choices and talent on that roster. I would love to have Kuzma...a steal! Get Ball back and sign LeBron plus George and they could be very tough next year. As I said, I don't see them as a bottom 5 team currently based on talent. They played horribly last night. Losing by 37 at home given that talent says something integral is missing. Is it youth? Is it coaching? Is it missing Ball? Was it just a bad game? Has the team given up? But Randle impressed. If he is traded for draft picks, the talent level and expectations for the Lakers this year decline... Here's a question. If the Celtics use the injured player exception, does that prevent Hayward's return or does that mean the player signed under the exception must be released if Hayward is ready? I know it has been speculated that Lebron ends up in LA but after seeing what went on with Kyrie I just don't see it. Lebron is a point forward and needs the ball in his hands, Ball needs the ball in his hands or he is worthless. At least Kyrie can shoot so he could coexist with LJ. Ball can't shoot and excels at distributing so you take that away and what is he? In regards to losing by 37, it was all those things you mention. IMO I like Randle but I don't see a fit with the C's. He is a great old school 4 but he doesn't spread the floor and would be a rfa after the season. Also I really don't think he can play the 5 against true 5s. I know you didn't mention the C's going for him but others have spoken about getting him. I do agree about the Lakers being worse off this year if they trade him. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 5, 2018 6:02:32 GMT -5
I think the real dark horse for LeBron James this off-season is Philadelphia. He has worked out with Simmons in the past and they got a great young core to work with. I think they have the cap space to sign LeBron too.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 5, 2018 8:34:18 GMT -5
I think the real dark horse for LeBron James this off-season is Philadelphia. He has worked out with Simmons in the past and they got a great young core to work with. I think they have the cap space to sign LeBron too. I don’t think this is a dark-horse as this has been pretty widely speculated at this point. Not that anywhere is a bad fit for LeBron, but i don’t think him and SImmons compliment one another at all. Also, Philly has been somewhat disappointing this year results wise. Leaving Cleveland for a place like LA is one things but Philly... that’d be rough. My guess is LeBron comes to his senses and stays in Cleveland with Isaiah. I really hope so anyways. NBA would be better off. Same with George staying in OKC. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 5, 2018 8:35:17 GMT -5
I think the real dark horse for LeBron James this off-season is Philadelphia. He has worked out with Simmons in the past and they got a great young core to work with. I think they have the cap space to sign LeBron too. Once again the Sixers have a point forward in Simmons and on top of that they have the #1 pick Fultz at pg. Who knows what Fultz will be at this point but does LJ fit with his need to hold the ball? I really don't think he fits here. All of that and the Sixers are too young for the LJ time line, he will want to win right away with veterans. He has shown in the past that he doesn't like playing with green horns. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 5, 2018 8:37:42 GMT -5
I think the real dark horse for LeBron James this off-season is Philadelphia. He has worked out with Simmons in the past and they got a great young core to work with. I think they have the cap space to sign LeBron too. I don’t think this is a dark-horse as this has been pretty widely speculated at this point. Not that anywhere is a bad fit for LeBron, but i don’t think him and SImmons compliment one another at all. Also, Philly has been somewhat disappointing this year results wise. Leaving Cleveland for a place like LA is one things but Philly... that’d be rough. My guess is LeBron comes to his senses and stays in Cleveland with Isaiah. I really hope so anyways. NBA would be better off. Same with George staying in OKC. Agreed |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 5, 2018 19:21:20 GMT -5
I agree with you. They have a lot of high choices and talent on that roster. I would love to have Kuzma...a steal! Get Ball back and sign LeBron plus George and they could be very tough next year. As I said, I don't see them as a bottom 5 team currently based on talent. They played horribly last night. Losing by 37 at home given that talent says something integral is missing. Is it youth? Is it coaching? Is it missing Ball? Was it just a bad game? Has the team given up? But Randle impressed. If he is traded for draft picks, the talent level and expectations for the Lakers this year decline... Here's a question. If the Celtics use the injured player exception, does that prevent Hayward's return or does that mean the player signed under the exception must be released if Hayward is ready? I know it has been speculated that Lebron ends up in LA but after seeing what went on with Kyrie I just don't see it. Lebron is a point forward and needs the ball in his hands, Ball needs the ball in his hands or he is worthless. At least Kyrie can shoot so he could coexist with LJ. Ball can't shoot and excels at distributing so you take that away and what is he? In regards to losing by 37, it was all those things you mention. IMO I like Randle but I don't see a fit with the C's. He is a great old school 4 but he doesn't spread the floor and would be a rfa after the season. Also I really don't think he can play the 5 against true 5s. I know you didn't mention the C's going for him but others have spoken about getting him. I do agree about the Lakers being worse off this year if they trade him. He has played his best basketball every this year, mainly playing a small ball center. Something like 85% of his playing time has been at center. The reason you think he's not a fit, is the exact reason why I think he is. We have tons of guys that can space the floor. We need an interior scorer that can rebound and draw fouls. His efficiency has really gone up playing center. Sure he can't guard the true elite centers, but those are very rare and that's why we have Baynes. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 5, 2018 20:43:11 GMT -5
Towns has like 200 points and 200 rebounds, but no pressure to get a big.
Wiggins right now with the single most idiotic mistake I've seen this season thus far was pretty nice though lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 21:39:59 GMT -5
Celtics bench scored 42 points tonight. 32 of them from Smart (18) and Rozier (14). Love it!!
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 5, 2018 22:08:31 GMT -5
Game was over on that Wiggins turnover. I've been watching basketball for quite some time and I don't remember seeing many players who are more overrated than Wiggins.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 5, 2018 23:44:08 GMT -5
Celtics bench scored 42 points tonight. 32 of them from Smart (18) and Rozier (14). Love it!! Watching those guys go to the basket was fun. Tatum and Brown have down games and they step up. Our depth is great. Also love the back to back gritty defensive performances. |
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Post by jmei on Jan 5, 2018 23:55:17 GMT -5
It's shocking how bad Wiggins is defensively given his athleticism and his reputation coming into the league. He's just a total turnstyle-- guys routinely blow past him and he seems incapable of shifting his feet and staying in front of guys, and he has no recovery speed and gives up on plays.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2018 0:32:31 GMT -5
I'm amazed knowing his coach that he's allowed to do that. It sure seems like lack of effort and lack of basketball IQ. Kris Dunn is going off and is just the player Tom loves to coach. What a difference a year makes. Who would you want Dunn for 3-4 years on the cheap or Wiggins on a max level deal?
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jan 6, 2018 6:29:36 GMT -5
I am surprised by how much Terry Rozier has developed this season. He looks really promising.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2018 7:04:48 GMT -5
A couple observations:
1. Let’s not over-react to the recent bench offense. I don’t think it’s something we can count on; we’ve seen glimpses before.
2. I’ve never seen a team quit like Minnesota did. Seriously, it was like a 7 point game with 30 seconds left and they didn’t even trap or foul. Even the way they played before that... they conceded the game so early.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2018 7:09:09 GMT -5
Oh and Charlotte beat the Lakers last night.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 7:43:28 GMT -5
A couple observations: 1. Let’s not over-react to the recent bench offense. I don’t think it’s something we can count on; we’ve seen glimpses before. 2. I’ve never seen a team quit like Minnesota did. Seriously, it was like a 7 point game with 30 seconds left and they didn’t even trap or foul. Even the way they played before that... they conceded the game so early. Agreed. Only reacting to the last 2 games. Terry Rozier has developed (under Kyrie's arrival) into a very useful part of this team. Defenses will change , slumps will happen. But for now, I am loving it. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 6, 2018 8:16:58 GMT -5
I'm amazed knowing his coach that he's allowed to do that. It sure seems like lack of effort and lack of basketball IQ. Kris Dunn is going off and is just the player Tom loves to coach. What a difference a year makes. Who would you want Dunn for 3-4 years on the cheap or Wiggins on a max level deal? Wiggins on a max level deal is a franchise killer. Too bad because KAT is a ridiculously good player and Butler is also by all accounts a star. |
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Post by jmei on Jan 6, 2018 8:58:10 GMT -5
Towns is also a meh defender. I expect him to improve, but his footwork and feel for defensive rotations leaves a lot to be desired.
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