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2017-18 Celtics Season Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2018 6:49:58 GMT -5
So Kyrie is probably done for the year and so are the Celtics. Do you go as chicken little for Halloween? The sky isn’t falling. The procedure was called minimally invasive. Sure complications can arise but better to get this done now. Get better for playoffs or have a big hear start on next year. This year is not a lost year no matter what happens besides long term injuries. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2018 7:10:07 GMT -5
The teams biggest weakness right now in the trade market is the lack of salary to trade. That is true, the only relatively big contract they could realistically trade is Morris. It's hard to find fault on that though, they have pretty much no dead money and the team is so well built that Horford's contract is over around the time of signing Brown and Tatum to an extension. Danny is an alien lol. Agreed, there’s nothing to blame; it’s just a fact. It’s also something they can “fix” with a Smart contract. (That has dual meaning) |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2018 8:45:35 GMT -5
The one thing about giving Smart lets say one year 15 million is that it guarantees you go over the luxury tax next year. We are currently at 107 million for 11 players. Add in like 1.5 million for the first round pick and using your exceptions. You might be able to stay under the luxury tax for next year if Smart is forced to play under his restrictive 5th year offer. I don't see any team offering him a huge deal, unless he comes back in the playoffs and goes off. Kinda been a lost year for him.
So for a team that will likely be paying the tax for years to come, they might want to wait another year before becoming a tax paying team. Current projections have the cap at 103 million next year, so the luxury tax line will be around 123 million.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 24, 2018 11:45:10 GMT -5
C's signed Sean Kilpatrick to a 10-day after filing for the roster hardship exception
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2018 12:02:18 GMT -5
Kilpatrick can score. He was darn good for the Nets 3 years ago, wasn't bad last year, but has struggled this year with his shooting. It just sucks that he's not eligible for the playoffs.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 24, 2018 16:03:56 GMT -5
Apparently a second team has offered more to Kilpatrick so the deal could be off. What a weird season. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 24, 2018 23:16:04 GMT -5
So Kyrie is probably done for the year and so are the Celtics. Do you go as chicken little for Halloween? The sky isn’t falling. The procedure was called minimally invasive. Sure complications can arise but better to get this done now. Get better for playoffs or have a big hear start on next year. This year is not a lost year no matter what happens besides long term injuries. It's a lost year in terms of performance. I don't expect a NBA finals this year with a limping Kyrie to the finish line. The sky is not falling, no. The Celtics are just going no where because of tough luck. Everyone else in the NBA probably sees it as this way too. If I had to guess, this is probably Toronto's one year to actually do something in the playoffs. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2018 11:00:44 GMT -5
I’m sorry but this team without Hayward was/is a long shot title contender at best. Basically, they need everything to go right and have other teams get injured. Besides the Pistons, is there an NBA team that has won a title without at least one super duper star (Mavs Dirk was playing at his Apex during that run) or a collection of stars? Kyrie is and can be great but he can’t carry a team like this to a title without Heyward around. The youth is a real issue. It’s one of the 5 youngest teams in the NBA. That matters for a long playoff run. They are exciting and they can make a run but even with everyone minus Heyward fully healthy they have slightly better odds of winning than the USA did in Lake Placid. Meaning you don’t quite have to believe in miracles but this is the NBA.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 26, 2018 11:14:53 GMT -5
Is there a more Celtics prospect than Moritz Wagner from Michigan? Tall, goofy looking white guy who can shoot the 3? Oh and he’s from Germany so that feels like he fits the foreign aspect of things (Olynik, Jerebko, Theis...). He’s different from all of them in many ways but still.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 26, 2018 13:33:39 GMT -5
Well Wagner is a new age stretch four, that almost any team could use. I can see him being like Jerebko.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 26, 2018 15:07:05 GMT -5
Well Wagner is a new age stretch four, that almost any team could use. I can see him being like Jerebko. Yea except he has no Other skill set |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 26, 2018 20:48:53 GMT -5
I’m sorry but this team without Hayward was/is a long shot title contender at best. Basically, they need everything to go right and have other teams get injured. Besides the Pistons, is there an NBA team that has won a title without at least one super duper star (Mavs Dirk was playing at his Apex during that run) or a collection of stars? Kyrie is and can be great but he can’t carry a team like this to a title without Heyward around. The youth is a real issue. It’s one of the 5 youngest teams in the NBA. That matters for a long playoff run. They are exciting and they can make a run but even with everyone minus Heyward fully healthy they have slightly better odds of winning than the USA did in Lake Placid. Meaning you don’t quite have to believe in miracles but this is the NBA. It depends on the Warriors health. The Celtics can play flat out elite defense, they weren't able to sustain that level during the entire season but they can get there. Which means they can get there again. There's no doubt that when Hayward is healthy it's a much more likely proposition, but with Kyrie healthy enough to go supernova like 3 times during a series? It could happen if they face anyone but a full Warriors squad because of that defensive upside. They're not favorite by any means, but it wouldn't be impossible. Against the megazord Warriors though? Yeah, no shot. |
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 26, 2018 22:00:46 GMT -5
Just an embarrassing quarter of basketball against a putrid team.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 26, 2018 22:04:25 GMT -5
Just an embarrassing quarter of basketball against a putrid team. It was terrible, the one play where Rozier and Larkin combined to leave a guy wide open at the 3 point line was ridiculous. I hope Stevens is doing the Singletary special right now and showing guys his ass because this performance is unacceptable. |
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Post by telson13 on Mar 26, 2018 22:08:52 GMT -5
I just flat-out like this team. I mean, after Heyward went down it was a lot of doom and gloom, but they had a crazy run and they’ve done nothing but entertain since. Irving is a joy to watch, but for me the best part of this year has been watching the emergence (and growing pains) of Brown, Tatum, and especially Scary Terry. Is he a star in the making? Idk, maybe, maybe not. But he legit just keeps getting better and better, polishing his game and (my favorite part), just absolutely taking every advantage of opportunities that arise. He’s just been such a fantastic surprise, repeatedly, this year. There was a really nice piece on him on ESPN (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22752147/why-terry-rozier-important-injury-riddled-boston-celtics-nba), and it really kinda crystallized the thoughts I’ve had about his play this year.
Idk...I’m bummed to see Kyrie down, and obviously this particular iteration of the C’s is unlikely to contend for the title. But I certainly think they’re capable of having a nice playoff run. In fact, with their defense and Stevens’s coaching I still think they have a legitimate shot at making the Finals. They play good teams very, very toughly. They don’t give up. And yeah, they’re young, which can be a detriment...but after a long season, it can also be an advantage. Regardless of how it all ends, I really think this whole season’s been a gift. They made what looked like a lost year a gloriously exciting and largely successful rollercoaster ride. There’s still so much to look forward to...not the least of which is the young guys getting their taste of playoff ball. And beyond this season...the future really is very bright. I’m grateful for this team in a huge way. It’s been so much fun, and i know there’s a lot more to come.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 26, 2018 22:16:49 GMT -5
Plus, there’s still that slim chance that they walk away with the Lakers’ pick at 2-5. That would be an absolute coup on top of everything else. I just can’t be bummed about the season they’ve had, current struggle against the lowly Suns included.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 27, 2018 6:37:50 GMT -5
I just flat-out like this team. I mean, after Heyward went down it was a lot of doom and gloom, but they had a crazy run and they’ve done nothing but entertain since. Irving is a joy to watch, but for me the best part of this year has been watching the emergence (and growing pains) of Brown, Tatum, and especially Scary Terry. Is he a star in the making? Idk, maybe, maybe not. But he legit just keeps getting better and better, polishing his game and (my favorite part), just absolutely taking every advantage of opportunities that arise. He’s just been such a fantastic surprise, repeatedly, this year. There was a really nice piece on him on ESPN (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22752147/why-terry-rozier-important-injury-riddled-boston-celtics-nba), and it really kinda crystallized the thoughts I’ve had about his play this year. Idk...I’m bummed to see Kyrie down, and obviously this particular iteration of the C’s is unlikely to contend for the title. But I certainly think they’re capable of having a nice playoff run. In fact, with their defense and Stevens’s coaching I still think they have a legitimate shot at making the Finals. They play good teams very, very toughly. They don’t give up. And yeah, they’re young, which can be a detriment...but after a long season, it can also be an advantage. Regardless of how it all ends, I really think this whole season’s been a gift. They made what looked like a lost year a gloriously exciting and largely successful rollercoaster ride. There’s still so much to look forward to...not the least of which is the young guys getting their taste of playoff ball. And beyond this season...the future really is very bright. I’m grateful for this team in a huge way. It’s been so much fun, and i know there’s a lot more to come. I don’t know if they can sustain a run this year due to injuries, but Stevens is just a wonderful coach. There’ll be times during the middle of the season when he starts playing the end of the bench players in close games, and I’m scratching my head “why?” But then you see how engaged the entire team is, and how ready every player is when his number is called, and it all starts to makes sense. There’s a reason they’re able to handle these injuries so much better than most teams in the league. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 27, 2018 8:45:25 GMT -5
Well Wagner is a new age stretch four, that almost any team could use. I can see him being like Jerebko. Yea except he has no Other skill set Not really, just like Jerebko. Wouldn't be a horrible pick, but not sure that's where I go right now. If the amount of freshmen declare like nbadraft.net is predicting you will have a ton of options. I can't remember another draft with so many freshman. Part of me still loves Grayson Allen from Duke. Given our offense, you can never have enough shooters. It's just way too early to predict anything. One thing is for sure, look at the guys that have all NBA D upside, Danny will most likely be interested in them. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 27, 2018 12:36:58 GMT -5
Yea except he has no Other skill set Not really, just like Jerebko. Wouldn't be a horrible pick, but not sure that's where I go right now. If the amount of freshmen declare like nbadraft.net is predicting you will have a ton of options. I can't remember another draft with so many freshman. Part of me still loves Grayson Allen from Duke. Given our offense, you can never have enough shooters. It's just way too early to predict anything. One thing is for sure, look at the guys that have all NBA D upside, Danny will most likely be interested in them. Give me Gary Trent Jr before Allen at the end of the first, but I hear ya. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 27, 2018 13:36:28 GMT -5
Can't say enough about Stevens, he is a coaching prodigy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Stevens Rather than listing his accomplishments I just pasted that, impressive stuff. Plus we have all seen what he has done in the NBA. With Danny and Brad running the show along with all the picks I am confident a dynasty is very possible. Adopting a strategy of trading the picks for future picks could be the smart way to go forward, IMO. |
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 27, 2018 16:42:34 GMT -5
Having to root for Grayson Allen would be miserable.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 27, 2018 17:36:17 GMT -5
Having to root for Grayson Allen would be miserable. Ha, you can do it. I did for 4 years already. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 27, 2018 18:42:12 GMT -5
Not really, just like Jerebko. Wouldn't be a horrible pick, but not sure that's where I go right now. If the amount of freshmen declare like nbadraft.net is predicting you will have a ton of options. I can't remember another draft with so many freshman. Part of me still loves Grayson Allen from Duke. Given our offense, you can never have enough shooters. It's just way too early to predict anything. One thing is for sure, look at the guys that have all NBA D upside, Danny will most likely be interested in them. Give me Gary Trent Jr before Allen at the end of the first, but I hear ya. I'm lost right now on nba scouting reports. Chad Ford is gone, draftexpress is gone, which leaves only NBAdraft.net. I thought the draft express guys would just bring over their stuff to ESPN, but so far we have almost nothing. Neither ESPN or Nbadraft.net has a bio on Trent. ESPN has him mid second round, nbadraft.net has him mid first round. Definitely the type of guy we should be looking at though. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 27, 2018 19:19:18 GMT -5
Give me Gary Trent Jr before Allen at the end of the first, but I hear ya. I'm lost right now on nba scouting reports. Chad Ford is gone, draftexpress is gone, which leaves only NBAdraft.net. I thought the draft express guys would just bring over their stuff to ESPN, but so far we have almost nothing. Neither ESPN or Nbadraft.net has a bio on Trent. ESPN has him mid second round, nbadraft.net has him mid first round. Definitely the type of guy we should be looking at though. He’s got great size for a SG, but he’s a shooter that’s it at this point. He’s not a guy that’s going to drive by you and his defense is suspect at best. He’s not a very good passer. He’s not a great athlete either. Glowing picture right? Guy can shoot it and I’m usually a believer that guys can better on Defense with desire and effort so the real question is where’s that? No way for us to know. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 28, 2018 20:58:03 GMT -5
Is he a good enough athlete to play D in the NBA? If not given what you say he probably doesn't have enough value to stick around.
But who knows unless you watch enough and know what to scout. The knock on Tatum coming out was he couldn't hit from deep so who do you trust? Obviously he can hit from 3.
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