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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 21, 2018 13:55:54 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on May 21, 2018 14:14:19 GMT -5
A few scattered thoughts:
When Baynes plays alongside Horford, it hurts them offensively by killing their spacing (even though he's been making 3s, no one guards Baynes when he's on the perimeter) and hurts them defensively by making it harder to switch everything. I'd like to see more smaller lineups. Their perimeter depth is thin, so they need to play Baynes just to soak up minutes, but I would think about giving Ojeleye more minutes at Baynes' expense or at least doing a better job of staggering Baynes/Horford's minutes.
In general, I'm going down with switching everything and forcing the Cavs to beat mismatches rather than doubling and opening up passing lanes. LeBron is older and just can't carry the burden both offensively and defensive for 40+ minutes like he used to. Make him waste his energy posting up Rozier or Smart a dozen times a game. I'd rather force Love to beat them in the post or Thompson beat them with offensive rebounds than give LeBron kickout passes at will.
If the Cavs are going to continue sticking to Horford and other screeners so closely, Rozier, Smart and the other ball handlers need to be more aggressive taking the ball to the rim. The Cavs aren't switching or trapping Horford pick-and-rolls, which means there are driving lanes available for a split second that the ball handlers need to be decisive and take advantage of. The Celtics in generally need to do a better job of driving the ball early in the shot clock rather than just passing it along the perimeter.
Monroe and Yabusele shouldn't be playing non-garbage time minutes.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 21, 2018 15:42:29 GMT -5
Umass I love the value that Rozier has turned himself into this year and don't think anyone was truly disparaging him. And yes the idea of trading Kyrie and keeping him is something worth debating but what was being pointed out is the gap between the players.
I can't agree with you though when you say he clearly is better running the offense with Tatum and Brown. Those guys turned their games up when Kyrie went down but that doesn't translate into Rozier being the better fit, IMO. It had just as much to do with those guys becoming more aggressive and then playing with more confidence.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 15:54:24 GMT -5
Umass I love the value that Rozier has turned himself into this year and don't think anyone was truly disparaging him. And yes the idea of trading Kyrie and keeping him is something worth debating but what was being pointed out is the gap between the players. I can't agree with you though when you say he clearly is better running the offense with Tatum and Brown. Those guys turned their games up when Kyrie went down but that doesn't translate into Rozier being the better fit, IMO. It had just as much to do with those guys becoming more aggressive and then playing with more confidence. I don’t think trading either of them makes sense this offseason unless someone is going to treat Rozier like a future star and use him in place of Tatum or Brown for a guy like KAT (who I don’t even really like as a player). Kyrie’s value off the knee injury is going to be suppressed and even though I think it’s highly likely he fully recovers you just never can tell so I want Rozier as an insurance policy even if that means you get a little less for him later. The only way I see Rozier being close to as valuable as Kyrie is injury but the injury thing is something you need to watch for with Kyrie. |
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Post by voiceofreason on May 21, 2018 16:12:01 GMT -5
When it comes to Rozier I have visions of grandeur in a trade. I'm daydreaming of Danny fleecing another gm by selling high and winning another trade. Like a top 5 this year for Terry and the Sac pick as headliners with a throw in. I guess I am just fixated on adding a legit stretch 4,5 to give Horford a break and I think this draft is loaded.
But the thought of keeping him as insurance for Kyrie is definitely valid. I'm not too concerned with Kyrie though, his knee has heeled and he doesn't need the hardware in there anymore. I also like maximizing the assets moving forward with a cap situation that will be a challenge to manage.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 19:37:20 GMT -5
Playoff road records of remaining teams:
Houston: 3-2
Golden State: 3-3
Cleveland: 3-4
Boston: 1-5
Good news is it won’t matter if Cleveland finishes 3-6
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 21, 2018 19:42:26 GMT -5
If you're keeping Irving and don't/can't pay Rozier you need to trade him. His trade value won't likely be higher. I don't see it going up while in a bench role. Then after next year you have to pay him or lose him for nothing. You really need to make your decision after the season.
Only way you don't is if the offers suck, but I highly doubt that.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 19:44:31 GMT -5
If you're keeping Irving and don't/can't pay Rozier you need to trade him. His trade value won't likely be higher. I don't see it going up while in a bench role. Then after next year you have to pay him or lose him for nothing. You really need to make your decision after the season. Only way you don't is if the offers suck, but I highly doubt that. You can do it midseason too but it really depends on their confidence in Kyrie’s knee. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 19:44:58 GMT -5
Looks like we have shitty Al tonight
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Post by wcp3 on May 21, 2018 19:49:25 GMT -5
Foster is the worst official I’ve ever seen.
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Post by wcp3 on May 21, 2018 19:52:03 GMT -5
Oh look, another pitiful start on the road. Just missed layups and dunks all over the place by a team that clearly isn’t focused.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 19:52:27 GMT -5
Foster is the worst official I’ve ever seen. He’s a great gambler tho |
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Post by jmei on May 21, 2018 19:56:05 GMT -5
Can’t miss as many shots at the rim as they have already.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 21, 2018 19:56:10 GMT -5
If you're keeping Irving and don't/can't pay Rozier you need to trade him. His trade value won't likely be higher. I don't see it going up while in a bench role. Then after next year you have to pay him or lose him for nothing. You really need to make your decision after the season. Only way you don't is if the offers suck, but I highly doubt that. You can do it midseason too but it really depends on their confidence in Kyrie’s knee. Danny hates major deadline deals, believes in team chemistry. If you really worry about Irvings knee that much, we have issues. I just don't have any worries. Have you heard something ? |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 19:57:38 GMT -5
You can do it midseason too but it really depends on their confidence in Kyrie’s knee. Danny hates major deadline deals, believes in team chemistry. If you really worry about Irvings knee that much, we have issues. I just don't have any worries. Have you heard something ? No I’m just speaking from the teams point of view. If they are confident then sure trade him if you get high value, but I’m not weakening the team if you aren’t getting a lot in return. |
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Post by jmei on May 21, 2018 19:57:46 GMT -5
Really nice cross-court pass from Rozier.
Cavs have made some long twos but I’ll take those shots all day.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 19:58:42 GMT -5
Thanks for shooting Marcus now stop.
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Post by wcp3 on May 21, 2018 19:59:48 GMT -5
Smart has been awful the last couple games. Just shooting the Celtics out of the game right now.
That play by Love and LeBron though... whoa!
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Post by jmei on May 21, 2018 20:00:55 GMT -5
The first three was at the end of the shot clock and the second was wide open. I thought neither was that egregious.
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Post by jmei on May 21, 2018 20:08:30 GMT -5
Awful two plays from Brown. Goes one on one despite terrible spacing and then loses his guy in transition.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 20:08:37 GMT -5
Bright side i can go to bed early tonight
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 20:09:26 GMT -5
Awful two plays from Brown. Goes one on one despite terrible spacing and then loses his guy in transition. On the Korver block someone didn’t clear their guy |
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Post by wcp3 on May 21, 2018 20:11:05 GMT -5
Embarrassing is the only word to describe this effort.
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Post by swingingbunt on May 21, 2018 20:12:35 GMT -5
I hate when people throw around the term embarrassing, but that quarter was embarrassing
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Post by jmei on May 21, 2018 20:12:46 GMT -5
More blown shots at the rim. Tatum once again a total zero. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not cutting or screening with energy.
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