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Post by wcp3 on May 19, 2018 21:00:19 GMT -5
This is going to be an epic comeback win. They would need to actually put effort in for that to happen. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 19, 2018 21:05:03 GMT -5
This is going to be an epic comeback win. Just kidding |
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Post by Don Caballero on May 19, 2018 21:05:24 GMT -5
Boy barring injuries that half literally could not have gone any worse. Terrible basketball, no effort on defense and nobody can hit anything.
This quarter sucks as well f*ck life.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 19, 2018 21:19:30 GMT -5
Screw this game, I'm going to play some videogames. Actually try next game.
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Post by wcp3 on May 19, 2018 21:20:36 GMT -5
Not that it would’ve mattered, but the NBA should be embarrassed by tonight’s officiating. Just incompetence on every level, and it’s reslly unacceptable that these are their “best” officials.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 19, 2018 21:27:36 GMT -5
Not that it would’ve mattered, but the NBA should be embarrassed by tonight’s officiating. Just incompetence on every level, and it’s reslly unacceptable that these are their “best” officials. It wouldn't have mattered. Guys are way over their heads thinking about Golden State. I can feel good about any loss where they at least play, but they took forever to break 50 against an embarrassing Cleveland defense that was still pretty bad tonight and that I cannot excuse. I really hope Stevens lets them know how unacceptable that performance was. |
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Post by voiceofreason on May 20, 2018 8:25:46 GMT -5
Does anybody know what Tatum is doing after a big 3 and he sticks his arm out in front of him and makes a circle with his other hand? It looks like he is mimicking giving himself a shot in the arm, sounds and looks kind of stupid.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 20, 2018 9:20:30 GMT -5
Does anybody know what Tatum is doing after a big 3 and he sticks his arm out in front of him and makes a circle with his other hand? It looks like he is mimicking giving himself a shot in the arm, sounds and looks kind of stupid. He's ice cold baby!!! |
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Post by jimed14 on May 20, 2018 9:24:13 GMT -5
Cavs hit 11 more 3's than the Celtics.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 20, 2018 12:47:34 GMT -5
Cavs hit 11 more 3's than the Celtics. Only one team played that game. And what bothers me is that you can't let trash like JR Smith style on you when he should have been either suspended or dead if Marcus Smarts cocked that punch like he badly wanted to when people restrained him. Next game will say a lot about the possibility of this team being champions one day, regardless of winning or losing they need to play like bad men. Show no mercy or the Cavs are back and we're boned. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 7:46:58 GMT -5
Cavs hit 11 more 3's than the Celtics. Only one team played that game. And what bothers me is that you can't let trash like JR Smith style on you when he should have been either suspended or dead if Marcus Smarts cocked that punch like he badly wanted to when people restrained him. Next game will say a lot about the possibility of this team being champions one day, regardless of winning or losing they need to play like bad men. Show no mercy or the Cavs are back and we're boned. I don’t know, it’s hard to make assumptions about if the team can be champions one day or not when they are missing their two best players. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 7:57:54 GMT -5
Rozier Per game numbers in playoffs:
Road/Home:
Min: 35.9 / 36.7
Points: 12.8 / 20.0
Fg%: 35.1 / 46.2
3p%: 24.4 / 45.5
FT%: 82.4 / 84.8
REB: 5.3 / 5.4
AST: 4.8 / 5.8
Steals: 1.2 / 0.9
TO: 1.7 / 1.1
+/-: -8.8 / 9.4
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 8:06:27 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on May 21, 2018 8:30:44 GMT -5
Good reminders on how big the gap is between Rozier and Kyrie.
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Post by wcp3 on May 21, 2018 9:20:59 GMT -5
Good reminders on how big the gap is between Rozier and Kyrie. Yup - it’s why any discussion of trading him because you have Rozier is extremely silly. Road playoff games reveal the difference between stars and really good role players (like Rozier). The Celtics have just one vet right now in Horford that’s dependable away from home. Tatum and Jaylen are growing into that role, but they’re still just 20 and 21, respectively, so inconsistency on the road is to be expected. Rozier has been awesome, but the gap between him and Kyrie is still bigger than the some people’s perceptions appear to be. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 21, 2018 10:33:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry but using regular season records to compare to the postseason is just stupid. Everyone knows it's 5 times harder to win on the road in the playoffs than the regular season. That would be like me using our 9-0 home playoff record to say Roziers better, because his record at home is better. Which by the way it is compared to Irving.
Why in the world are we slamming Rozier after last game? He wasn't even bad and wasn't even close to the reason we lost. The whole team played like crap. Tatums numbers look good, but most of those were when the game was already over. He was litterally non-existent early in the game when we went down big. Seems like a very funny time to start bashing Rozier. I clearly felt going into this series the Celtics were the better team, but fully expected a game like this. They are a very young team. It takes games like this for them to get back to listening to Stevens. Rozier said it perfect after the game, the team needed this, we were getting too cocky. Listening to the press about Golden State and not our coach. This team has had one of these in every series so far and everytime they bounce back big time.
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Post by wcp3 on May 21, 2018 11:13:02 GMT -5
Lol, no one is slamming Rozier. I’m pretty sure everyone on here is a fan of his. We’re just pointing out that a significant gap still exists between him and a player the caliber of Kyrie.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 21, 2018 11:15:02 GMT -5
I don’t know, it’s hard to make assumptions about if the team can be champions one day or not when they are missing their two best players. They don't need to win the game, but the effort needs to be there. Like I said (or thought I said), I'm fine with anything that happens as long as the team puts in the effort. They were lazy and undisciplined on game 3 and that is not the champions way. I'm obviously confident they will come out to play tonight, win or lose that's all I ask. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 21, 2018 11:18:34 GMT -5
As far as trading Irving I have no clue what we should do. I will say that if you think we shouldn't even debate it I think you're dead wrong. If you think Rozier game fits better with Tatum and Brown, which I do. You should explore the options. Look at who fits better long-term based off of when this team is fully healthy. A lot also depends on Roziers trade value. Nevermind the upcoming luxury tax problems.
A trade floating around is trading Irving to the Suns for the #1 pick. I think that's crazy, but the Suns GM has said he's willing to trade it for a star. Thats very interesting. Does Danny think Ayton, Bagley or Jackson are future stars? If so that could very well make sense.
The discussion has never been and never should be who's the better player between Rozier and Irving. That is crystal clear. The discussion is which one is going to be better for your team long-term and that involves looking at salary, trade return and fit. I have no clue at this time which way Danny should go, but I can guarantee you he is looking at all options. That's what a GM that is playing chess, while everyone else is playing checkers does. If you look at this like there is a zero percent chance Irving gets traded you're wrong. Just like when litterally everyone called me crazy when I said Fultz might not be our guy before the draft.
The coversation is more like Irving singning a 5 year 180 million deal, what you can get for Rozier, plus can you afford Smart vs. Rozier at about half the cost of Irving, Smart, and what you can get for Irving. Nevermind you could be pushing back us going into the luxury tax by two years in an Irving trade. Which has to be on Danny's mind.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 12:06:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry but using regular season records to compare to the postseason is just stupid. Everyone knows it's 5 times harder to win on the road in the playoffs than the regular season. That would be like me using our 9-0 home playoff record to say Roziers better, because his record at home is better. Which by the way it is compared to Irving. I’m not allowed to use Roziers regular season stats, but I could show you his home road splits during the regular season too if that’s would make you feel better... I’d show you Kyrie’s but he doesn’t have any... Also, I’m not bashing Rozier at all. Love the guy but you seem to want to give him all the credit when they play good and none of the blame when they suck. I’ll post Tatums home/road playoff numbers later. I’m not sure where they stand in full, I did notice his scoring average is higher on the road than at home but that’s all at this point. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 12:07:51 GMT -5
I don’t know, it’s hard to make assumptions about if the team can be champions one day or not when they are missing their two best players. They don't need to win the game, but the effort needs to be there. Like I said (or thought I said), I'm fine with anything that happens as long as the team puts in the effort. They were lazy and undisciplined on game 3 and that is not the champions way. I'm obviously confident they will come out to play tonight, win or lose that's all I ask. Yea I hear ya but even Golden State has those games. It’s actually the only way they ever lose... ha |
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Post by Don Caballero on May 21, 2018 12:25:36 GMT -5
Yea I hear ya but even Golden State has those games. It’s actually the only way they ever lose... ha Golden State is just evil. Maybe the Rockets muster up enough strength to make this a series, but yesterday was one of the most demoralizing losses I've ever seen. A fully engaged Warriors team is a force of nature. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 12:43:30 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 21, 2018 13:33:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry but using regular season records to compare to the postseason is just stupid. Everyone knows it's 5 times harder to win on the road in the playoffs than the regular season. That would be like me using our 9-0 home playoff record to say Roziers better, because his record at home is better. Which by the way it is compared to Irving. I’m not allowed to use Roziers regular season stats, but I could show you his home road splits during the regular season too if that’s would make you feel better... I’d show you Kyrie’s but he doesn’t have any... Also, I’m not bashing Rozier at all. Love the guy but you seem to want to give him all the credit when they play good and none of the blame when they suck. I’ll post Tatums home/road playoff numbers later. I’m not sure where they stand in full, I did notice his scoring average is higher on the road than at home but that’s all at this point. Calling out Rozier after last game, when he had the second best game of all starters seems foolish. He wasn't the issue, I can name 5 players that had worse games. Irving could have went off for 30 and we don't win that game. Which frankly has happened in most of our road loses this year in the playoffs. You're litterally using regular season stats that were against a ton of crappy teams to make a point that litterally means nothing. First almost every team will do worse in the playoffs on the road. That is just a fact. Has any team in the league this year done better on the road than they did in the regular season ? Heck even came close to their regular season numbers ? The Bucks were 0-4 on the road, the Sixers were 0-3 and the Cavs are currently 0-2 against us on the road, all well below there season winning percentage by a large margin. If you think having Irving means we'll dominant on the road like in the regular season that is a pipe dream. Nevermind lets not discount the improved play at home either. Second you clearly are overlooking the improvement Rozier is making. First three road game he shot 27.7% and averaged 11.7 points, last 3 road games he shot 41.6% while averaging 14 point a game. Sure you want to have him keep getting better, but he isn't the only issue on the road and was a huge reason why we have a road win currently in game 3 against the Sixers. I like Rozier because I feel we play better as a team with him. Thing is when you play that way it's on the whole team. Rozier can set the tempo and get guys open looks, that doesn't mean they'll make them or guys like Morris and Smart won't play hero ball and kill the offense. Sure it's easy to look at the bad and say Irving could help, which sure he could. At the same time, would he hurt or help the games we won? You can't have it both ways and you can't make a good case Irving would have been better during our wins. Look no further than LeBron the one game he doesn't play hero ball and gets his teammates involved is the one game they do well. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 21, 2018 13:51:54 GMT -5
I didn’t call out Rozier, I just showed numbers unedited and unbiased without commentary.
Separate post, I simply showed how much worse the team was on the road without Kyrie vs how good they were with him on the road over the course of this year.
There’s nothing unfair or disingenuous about that. You do with that information as you wish.
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