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2018 Patriots/NFL offseason thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 23, 2018 6:26:13 GMT -5
I like the new pass interference proposal:
“For pass interference by the defense: First down for the offensive team and 15-yard penalty from the previous spot. In the event of an intentional and egregious foul, first down for the offensive team at the spot of the foul. If the interference is also a personal foul (12-2), the 15-yard penalty for such a foul is also enforced, either from the spot of the foul (for interference), or from the end of the run if the foul for pass interference is declined. If the interference is behind the defensive goal line, it is first down for the offensive team on the defense’s one-yard line, or, if the previous spot was inside the two-yard line, halfway between the previous spot and the goal line.”
It covers for teams just being egregious and using the 15 yards to their advantage and takes away the 40 yard ticky tack penalty. Allows DBs to be a bit more aggressive too. Would be a good change in my opinion.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 23, 2018 6:34:25 GMT -5
I know this is a long shot and extremely unlikely, but let’s say a great guard is there for the Patriots, Joe Thuney could possible bump outside to LT. It’s possible because he was one of the best tackles in football his last year in college so the experience is there. It’s unlikely, because he has shorter arms, hasn’t played tackle in the NFL (only 2 seasons) and he’s one of the best young guards in football.
So it’s by no means a prediction, but don’t forget his past experience as a very good tackle as recently as 3 seasons ago.
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Post by jmei on Mar 23, 2018 6:40:22 GMT -5
Let’s move on from the Wentz discussion. If you feel the need to continue it, please start a thread in the throwdown subforum. Thanks.
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Post by jmei on Mar 23, 2018 6:41:53 GMT -5
I like the new pass interference proposal: “For pass interference by the defense: First down for the offensive team and 15-yard penalty from the previous spot. In the event of an intentional and egregious foul, first down for the offensive team at the spot of the foul. If the interference is also a personal foul (12-2), the 15-yard penalty for such a foul is also enforced, either from the spot of the foul (for interference), or from the end of the run if the foul for pass interference is declined. If the interference is behind the defensive goal line, it is first down for the offensive team on the defense’s one-yard line, or, if the previous spot was inside the two-yard line, halfway between the previous spot and the goal line.” It covers for teams just being egregious and using the 15 yards to their advantage and takes away the 40 yard ticky tack penalty. Allows DBs to be a bit more aggressive too. Would be a good change in my opinion. It just raises the question of what “intentional and egregious” means. Those kinds of judgment calls are always challenging and ripe for controversy. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 23, 2018 6:56:00 GMT -5
I like the new pass interference proposal: “For pass interference by the defense: First down for the offensive team and 15-yard penalty from the previous spot. In the event of an intentional and egregious foul, first down for the offensive team at the spot of the foul. If the interference is also a personal foul (12-2), the 15-yard penalty for such a foul is also enforced, either from the spot of the foul (for interference), or from the end of the run if the foul for pass interference is declined. If the interference is behind the defensive goal line, it is first down for the offensive team on the defense’s one-yard line, or, if the previous spot was inside the two-yard line, halfway between the previous spot and the goal line.” It covers for teams just being egregious and using the 15 yards to their advantage and takes away the 40 yard ticky tack penalty. Allows DBs to be a bit more aggressive too. Would be a good change in my opinion. It just raises the question of what “intentional and egregious” means. Those kinds of judgment calls are always challenging and ripe for controversy. Very true but I think if you’re going into it with it’s a 15 yard penalty that’s an improvement. If you have to debate, “intentional and egregious” then it shouldn’t be. It used an “and” not an or so just being one isn’t enough. The majority of them should be clear. Those ticky tack 40+ yard penalties are much worse for the game than the couple judgement calls would be. By the way, you can already argue those are judgment calls anyways. |
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Post by jmei on Mar 23, 2018 7:28:07 GMT -5
Yeah, pass interference is currently a judgment call, which is why they’re so controversial. I’m not sure the way to fix it is to stack another judgment call on top of the existing one, but there’s also no getting away from the fact that officiating football will inevitably involve a lot of judgment calls.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 23, 2018 8:09:45 GMT -5
www.ndinsider.com/football/josh-adams-runs-fast-at-notre-dame-pro-day-despite/article_ff660a5e-2e28-11e8-920d-a30c0375c7b7.htmlI'm a huge Notre Dame guy, so I'm biased, but I think Josh Adams should be a target for us. His numbers were off the charts at his pro day. He might need surgery so he'll drop in the draft. Which is great for us. He's a bigger back that can be a big homerun type runner, yet still get you tough yards and score in the red zone. 6'2'' 215 pounds, 5th fatest 40 time, #1 three-cone drill time, 5th best broad jump and 2nd best 60 yard shuttle time. That matches what you see when he plays. He's been a beast since he was a true freshman. If you can get him in the 3rd or 4th round it could be a huge steal.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 23, 2018 10:12:25 GMT -5
Patriots resign Waddle. We better not see Wadle at RT and Cannon at LT all year. That isn't good enough. Brady will have no protection all year. Doubt we'll see them move Cannon to LT -- not after he struggled, worked hard, and blossomed into a very solid RT in 2016-17. Waddle starting for us at LT to begin the year is very much in the cards, despite him not starting there previously. Garcia won't be back in good enough shape and Fleming is probably a goner, but you'd think they'll be looking pretty hard in the draft for someone. But Waddle isn't awful - the biggest issue he's had is just being able to stay healthy. I agree if Waddle is starting it's most likely going to be at LT. Waddle wasn't graded well by PFF last year, Solder, Fleming and Cannon were all a lot higher. Our OL coach, maybe the best in the business thinks Waddle is a starting caliber OT. We've seen him take Cannon from scrub to one of the better OT, so who knows. He was raw coming out of College playing at Texas Tech and that weird system they run. His scouting report is a lot better than you'd think for an undrafted guy, with him being listed as a potential LT and expected to be drafted in the top half of the draft. After doing more research, he seems to have more tools than I thought. Fleming might have played better last year, but Waddle might have more upside long-term. Waddle would seem to be a better fit at LT than Fleming. So yea maybe it's as simple as him staying healthy and getting more playing time. My only complaint like with Burkhead last year, if you really like him and think he can be a LT, why only one year? www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/laadrian-waddle/8460www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-marcus-cannons-improvements-give-patriots-tackle-stabilitywww.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/laadrian-waddle?id=2539324What they think of Garcia is going to be huge come draft time. They did trade a 3rd and a 4th to move up like 10 spots to get him. So they have to really like him. Garcia is said to be 100% healthy now. Reports say he lost 40 pounds. I just wonder if he lost 40 pounds at one point, or is still down 40 pounds currently. He's got five months to get ready and at worst you'd think by mid-season he could be ready to help. He's an OL I don't think that was just 40 pounds of muscle he lost, I hope it wasn't. He'll be a guy to watch all summer long. In a way this makes perfect sense because Bill almost never overdrafts a guy for need. Everyone is now having the Patriots pick an OT, when unless one of the top two OT falls, would be bad value. This allows them to target a guy in the 2nd and 3rd rounds when they can get good value. Lets just hope it doesn't get Brady injured. As a side note in the article about Cannon, PFF actually thinks Conor McDermott would be a good late round pick and the Patriot picked him. That's impressive because Bill is so hard to find out who'll target. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2018 6:54:34 GMT -5
What I read is that in January he was down 40 pounds. He was on the upswing at that point and I believe was working out so hopefully he’s gaining weight already. Problem is, he was too light/weak to start so last year was supposed to be important for added strength as well as learning the system. Not sure how much he was able to learn last year but he’s got a ways to go physically. I think they are very high on him and expected him to replace Solder this year. Probably not realistic but there is an outside chance.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2018 12:05:54 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2018 15:02:46 GMT -5
Other than a possible suspension, I can’t care less about athletes smoking pot. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2018 15:06:00 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure this hasn’t been mentioned, but Brady doing a 110 degree turn (not quite 180) on the playing to 45 thing is annoying me. Now he’s talking about family balance and year to year etc. all which is fine but not if you’re Tom. Brady and you ran Jimmy G out of town. If his mindset is the latter instead of the former, they made the wrong call.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2018 15:09:09 GMT -5
Oh and Fleming to Dallas
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 25, 2018 1:57:47 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure this hasn’t been mentioned, but Brady doing a 110 degree turn (not quite 180) on the playing to 45 thing is annoying me. Now he’s talking about family balance and year to year etc. all which is fine but not if you’re Tom. Brady and you ran Jimmy G out of town. If his mindset is the latter instead of the former, they made the wrong call. Tough to move on from Brady and you couldn't pay both guys. Jimmy G's time to free agency just came too soon for the Patriots (years of service time). I hope the Patriots are actually serious about Johnny Manziel. That kid can play if Brady could show him a path to being a franchise QB (maturity). |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 25, 2018 1:59:49 GMT -5
Other than a possible suspension, I can’t care less about athletes smoking pot. Yeah it's just stupid of Harmon to do. I mean, couldn't he think for one second and think, pot might actually be a lot cheaper in Costa Rica? (it probably is) |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 25, 2018 10:27:59 GMT -5
Other than a possible suspension, I can’t care less about athletes smoking pot. Yeah it's just stupid of Harmon to do. I mean, couldn't he think for one second and think, pot might actually be a lot cheaper in Costa Rica? (it probably is) It's not cheaper and the pot sucks down there, true story. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2018 11:02:02 GMT -5
But it was stupid... ha
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 25, 2018 11:16:00 GMT -5
For sure.
I actually know a guy who got rich bringing it to Costa Rica from California. He was from Ca. and he went by the name monkey.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 25, 2018 11:16:41 GMT -5
I don't think anyone cares about pot, but the NFL sure doesn't like negative press and this doesn't look good. It was so stupid. He's going to get suspended and it's going to cost him a ton of money.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 25, 2018 12:23:39 GMT -5
Someday everyone will rightfully view cannabis as something that is far less harmful than alcohol. Still have to wait for the Reefer Madness generation to die off.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 26, 2018 10:43:27 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure this hasn’t been mentioned, but Brady doing a 110 degree turn (not quite 180) on the playing to 45 thing is annoying me. Now he’s talking about family balance and year to year etc. all which is fine but not if you’re Tom. Brady and you ran Jimmy G out of town. If his mindset is the latter instead of the former, they made the wrong call. Tough to move on from Brady and you couldn't pay both guys. Jimmy G's time to free agency just came too soon for the Patriots (years of service time). I hope the Patriots are actually serious about Johnny Manziel. That kid can play if Brady could show him a path to being a franchise QB (maturity). I love Manziel talent, but he's one of the bigger idiots to enter the league recently. I'm all for second chances, but you can't count on him. So you keep Hoyer and draft a QB in this very deep QB class that lucky for us has a ton of options. Maybe if he's grown-up you keep him on the practice squad for a year so he can show you that, but that would seem highly unlikely. So unless you think Manziel is a better bet than drafting a guy I just don't see it. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 26, 2018 11:13:10 GMT -5
Tough to move on from Brady and you couldn't pay both guys. Jimmy G's time to free agency just came too soon for the Patriots (years of service time). I hope the Patriots are actually serious about Johnny Manziel. That kid can play if Brady could show him a path to being a franchise QB (maturity). I love Manziel talent, but he's one of the bigger idiots to enter the league recently. I'm all for second chances, but you can't count on him. So you keep Hoyer and draft a QB in this very deep QB class that lucky for us has a ton of options. Maybe if he's grown-up you keep him on the practice squad for a year so he can show you that, but that would seem highly unlikely. So unless you think Manziel is a better bet than drafting a guy I just don't see it. Is he practice squad eligible? Those rules have changed so much I can’t keep up. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 26, 2018 11:53:34 GMT -5
I love Manziel talent, but he's one of the bigger idiots to enter the league recently. I'm all for second chances, but you can't count on him. So you keep Hoyer and draft a QB in this very deep QB class that lucky for us has a ton of options. Maybe if he's grown-up you keep him on the practice squad for a year so he can show you that, but that would seem highly unlikely. So unless you think Manziel is a better bet than drafting a guy I just don't see it. Is he practice squad eligible? Those rules have changed so much I can’t keep up. From what I see you can have up to 4 players that have accrued up to 2 seasons, which Manziel has. So I think he's eligible. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 26, 2018 13:31:36 GMT -5
Good news in that with Fleming and Jean-Francis signing deals, we are back to 4 comp picks and can sign two more players without losing those two projected third round comp picks. The bad news depending on the Flowers and Waddle numbers we don't have much cap space.
Still would like DE/OLB depth guys like Robert Ayers or Pernell McPhee. LB depth like Jonathan Casillas or Jerrell Freeman if you can look past the PEDs. S depth in Eric Reid or Kenny Vaccaro, heck almost anyone not named Jordan Richards! Not a big need, but from a value point of view Jordan Matthews is still available and he could be a weapon in the slot as a backup. Unlikely just surprised he's still available. We have to fill a few more depth holes and I'd rather do it now than after the draft when the talent level is bad and you get forced into trades.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 26, 2018 14:52:54 GMT -5
Good news in that with Fleming and Jean-Francis signing deals, we are back to 4 comp picks and can sign two more players without losing those two projected third round comp picks. The bad news depending on the Flowers and Waddle numbers we don't have much cap space. Still would like DE/OLB depth guys like Robert Ayers or Pernell McPhee. LB depth like Jonathan Casillas or Jerrell Freeman if you can look past the PEDs. S depth in Eric Reid or Kenny Vaccaro, heck almost anyone not named Jordan Richards! Not a big need, but from a value point of view Jordan Matthews is still available and he could be a weapon in the slot as a backup. Unlikely just surprised he's still available. We have to fill a few more depth holes and I'd rather do it now than after the draft when the talent level is bad and you get forced into trades.You always gotta do that before the draft so you're not forced into drafting for need. It's how you end up with bad drafts. |
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