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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 27, 2018 8:31:30 GMT -5
Well every team drafts for need, you just don't want to overdraft players based on need. Which is something Bill almost never does. Heck I can't think of the last time we over drafted a player based on need. We normally draft guys a year before we need them or for depth. Sometimes just because we like them, like that center from Indiana they wanted last year. Everyone thought we needed a LB last year, Bill traded for one after the draft instead of drafting one. We've spent a crap load of draft capital on trades recently. Some very good, some horrible. I just don't want to see us trading more picks for special team TEs like last year. We need to nail this draft.
I'm fully convinced they won't overdraft an OT for example, which looks like our biggest need.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 28, 2018 4:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 28, 2018 10:14:23 GMT -5
Slow day for Patriot sports writers I guess, as they tie the Patriots to Manziel when it was Texas A&M pro day that every single team in the league attended.
Then a few articles down they interviewed Kraft who talks about how the Patriots need to draft a QB for insurance. Given this is a very deep class of QBs it makes perfect sense. The interesting part is where they see value and who they like. I'm getting ready for them doing something crazy. Given how Bill wanted to keep Jimmy and Brady's age, I'm not ruling anything out. I can see Bill looking at QB and thinking it's currently the weakest long-term position and thus his #1 goal on draft day is getting his QB. Given the depth of this class I wouldn't be surprised if they draft two QBs with one late in the draft.
Given that reports are starting to come out that teams only have first round grades on about 20 players. Normally that means Bill will trade down unless a guy falls or no one wants to trade. So who would they value enough not to trade the pick? Patriots usually go defense in the first round. So I'm looking at LB Leighton Vander Esch and Rashaan Evans given that Smith and Edmunds are off the board which they should be. At CB both Isaiah Oliver and Mike Hughes are interesting, I really like Oliver great athlete, has size, good run supporter and even has experience returning punts. A lot of people are talking about S Justin Reid and it makes sense. At DE unless Landry or Davenport drop, there doesn't appear to be first round value at that position. Arden Key has that type of ability, but questions about his motivation seem to make him an anti Patriot player. Sleeper being Sam Hubbard DE Ohio State. Not the explosive DE guy you'd expect for a first round pick, but he screams Patriot type player.
For the heck of it, look at offense I'm watching if OT Conor Williams really drops like some currently have him. Disappointing 2017 season due to injury, but was the top OT prospect after his great 2016 season. Rated as the top pass protector in the 2017 class and a true LT. If you wanted a shocking unlikely pick players like WR Christain Kirk or James Washington. Going by current Mocks, it seems likely the top 4 QBs are off the board. QB Lamar Jackson is the only one that currently seems like you might have a chance at. Very interesting player and I'd be very interested in what Bill thinks about him. Still most likely he's gone by the time we pick and you'd have to build the offense around him. Which brings you to Mason Rudolph. Maybe the most interesting QB in the draft. His production is off the charts and he has all the tools you look for. The questions are is he a system QB? He played in a non pro system that made his job easier and had great weapons like James Washinton who has been compared to Tim Brown. He's rated all over the place, seen Mocks that have him going mid first round, all the way to late second round.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 1, 2018 11:24:42 GMT -5
I haven't paid much attention to the Gronk stuff or even the major increase in Gronk maybe being traded. Now I'm starting to think he could be traded. He's basically calling out Bill and we know what happens when players do that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 1, 2018 12:21:11 GMT -5
I haven't paid much attention to the Gronk stuff or even the major increase in Gronk maybe being traded. Now I'm starting to think he could be traded. He's basically calling out Bill and we know what happens when players do that. Calling him out? What did he say? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 1, 2018 20:34:12 GMT -5
I haven't paid much attention to the Gronk stuff or even the major increase in Gronk maybe being traded. Now I'm starting to think he could be traded. He's basically calling out Bill and we know what happens when players do that. Calling him out? What did he say? Per ESPN Bill didn't like that tweet one bit, took it as a dig against him and it really was. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 2, 2018 9:32:32 GMT -5
Calling him out? What did he say? Per ESPN Bill didn't like that tweet one bit, took it as a dig against him and it really was. Was it tho? Amendola dumped his girl that same day. How many of us have told our boys “Now you’re free” after a breakup? It’s a better story if it’s about Bill but it’s not necessarily the case. However this whole Gronk the is annoying. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2018 10:29:30 GMT -5
It's not like Gronk is some kind of genius putting a lot of thought into creating secret messages.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 2, 2018 12:51:34 GMT -5
Per ESPN Bill didn't like that tweet one bit, took it as a dig against him and it really was. Was it tho? Amendola dumped his girl that same day. How many of us have told our boys “Now you’re free” after a breakup? It’s a better story if it’s about Bill but it’s not necessarily the case. However this whole Gronk the is annoying. Reports of Danny's breakup were on the 23rd, where did you see it was the 13th? That tweet is all about football and him joining the Dolphins. If you read the tweets that followed everyone thinks it's about Bill and the Patriots way. Your the first person I've seen try to say it wasn't. Add that to reports that Gronk is just sick of the Patriot way and Bill has been questioning if he's all in for a while. It seems to make perfect sense. Then sources close to Bill say he's upset by that tweet. Yea maybe all the sources are wrong, but this helps explain why Gronk is considering retirement after one of his healthiest seasons. Gronk seems like the type of player that doesn't really fit the Patriot way. He wants to have fun and speak his mind. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 2, 2018 12:59:36 GMT -5
Was it tho? Amendola dumped his girl that same day. How many of us have told our boys “Now you’re free” after a breakup? It’s a better story if it’s about Bill but it’s not necessarily the case. However this whole Gronk the is annoying. Reports of Danny's breakup were on the 23rd, where did you see it was the 13th? That tweet is all about football and him joining the Dolphins. If you read the tweets that followed everyone thinks it's about Bill and the Patriots way. Your the first person I've seen try to say it wasn't. Add that to reports that Gronk is just sick of the Patriot way and Bill has been questioning if he's all in for a while. It seems to make perfect sense. Then sources close to Bill say he's upset by that tweet. Yea maybe all the sources are wrong, but this helps explain why Gronk is considering retirement after one of his healthiest seasons. Gronk seems like the type of player that doesn't really fit the Patriot way. He wants to have fun and speak his mind. Multiple reporters on the radio have said they broke up the day he signed in Miami and if you care to read some of the tabloids the reason stated was she wasn’t going to move to Miami and he didn’t want to do long distance. Those reports on the 23rd are just when she talked About it. That usually doesn’t happen the same day as a breakup. I have no idea that’s the reason but just because the initial reaction to it was it was about Bill that doesn’t mean anything. That’s all speculative and they (reporters) didn’t know at that time they’d broken up. Only point is we don’t know. Reporters speculation is just that - speculation |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2018 13:03:37 GMT -5
There's nothing more interesting than unnamed sources speculating about the meaning of and reaction to tweets and then "reporters" using this as the basis of controversy.
I swear this practice is the source of the distrust of the media for people with brains while the other half believe things that simply aren't true. Talk about propaganda, reporters can literally write whatever they want because no one is ever going to check that their sources were ever legit and people simply accept that they made something up because they think it was possibly true at some point. And there's also a huge percentage of the population that just believes what they want to believe so reporters give them what they want for the clicks.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 2, 2018 19:04:43 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more, Jimed. But every once in awhile someone (Mike Florio) does call out someone (Adam Schefter) for spreading misinformation. And this isn't the 1st time he's dinged Schefty. He's watching. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 2, 2018 21:26:53 GMT -5
Reports of Danny's breakup were on the 23rd, where did you see it was the 13th? That tweet is all about football and him joining the Dolphins. If you read the tweets that followed everyone thinks it's about Bill and the Patriots way. Your the first person I've seen try to say it wasn't. Add that to reports that Gronk is just sick of the Patriot way and Bill has been questioning if he's all in for a while. It seems to make perfect sense. Then sources close to Bill say he's upset by that tweet. Yea maybe all the sources are wrong, but this helps explain why Gronk is considering retirement after one of his healthiest seasons. Gronk seems like the type of player that doesn't really fit the Patriot way. He wants to have fun and speak his mind. Multiple reporters on the radio have said they broke up the day he signed in Miami and if you care to read some of the tabloids the reason stated was she wasn’t going to move to Miami and he didn’t want to do long distance. Those reports on the 23rd are just when she talked About it. That usually doesn’t happen the same day as a breakup. I have no idea that’s the reason but just because the initial reaction to it was it was about Bill that doesn’t mean anything. That’s all speculative and they (reporters) didn’t know at that time they’d broken up. Only point is we don’t know. Reporters speculation is just that - speculation The 23rd is the day that Danny stopped following her on Instagram and deleted her pictures. That is the first day reports started coming out that it might be over. It was like 3 days after that when she confirmed it was over. All the report's I'm seeing say it ended after they got done with vacation, days later were the words used. There vacation was March 9 to March 15 per her Instagram account. Also the day he agreed and the day he signed aren't the same day. Gronks post is the day he agreed, not the day he actually signed. www.boston.com/culture/celebs/2018/03/28/danny-amendola-olivia-culpo-break-upwww.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2018/03/11/olivia-culpo-danny-amendola-bahamas-winter-storm |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 2, 2018 21:29:18 GMT -5
I refuse to follow player relationships.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 3, 2018 6:42:24 GMT -5
Does anyone think Bill is actually following Instagram or Twitter? Does anyone think he's paying attention to any of that crap?
I'm sorry, I'm not buying that Bill cares.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 3, 2018 7:35:57 GMT -5
Multiple reporters on the radio have said they broke up the day he signed in Miami and if you care to read some of the tabloids the reason stated was she wasn’t going to move to Miami and he didn’t want to do long distance. Those reports on the 23rd are just when she talked About it. That usually doesn’t happen the same day as a breakup. I have no idea that’s the reason but just because the initial reaction to it was it was about Bill that doesn’t mean anything. That’s all speculative and they (reporters) didn’t know at that time they’d broken up. Only point is we don’t know. Reporters speculation is just that - speculation The 23rd is the day that Danny stopped following her on Instagram and deleted her pictures. That is the first day reports started coming out that it might be over. It was like 3 days after that when she confirmed it was over. All the report's I'm seeing say it ended after they got done with vacation, days later were the words used. There vacation was March 9 to March 15 per her Instagram account. Also the day he agreed and the day he signed aren't the same day. Gronks post is the day he agreed, not the day he actually signed. www.boston.com/culture/celebs/2018/03/28/danny-amendola-olivia-culpo-break-upwww.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2018/03/11/olivia-culpo-danny-amendola-bahamas-winter-stormCool, so he’s on vacation talking to his girl about where he’s gonna sign. She tells him they she’s not moving to Miami and he gets upset is talking to his boys about it. Decides to sign anyways but us kind of upset about the girlfriend situation. and one of his boys tells him “Congrats buddy go be happy and be free”. No way that can be about his personal life it has to be about Belichick. In the days leading up to it, people never talk about their breaking up with their significant other to their friends before talking to that person. Here’s the thing. Reports of why he wrote that are absolutely meaningless. They are legitimately pure speculate and started before anything about his personal life came out. Now the entire thing about it being about his girl friend is speculative too. But both are plausible. To run with the story of it has to be about Bill is just fitting he evidence to the narrative you want to believe or have chosen to believe. Yea everything the way you explain it makes some sense and maybe even seemingly fits nearer, but that doesn’t make it right. I’m not surprised this is what people do these days across our news world. It’s easier, we like to have clean answers. I’d rather have true answers before I pass judgement. It could be about Bill (maybe even 80% likely) or it could be about his girlfriend (may even 15%) or there could be a different answer in that 5% range. He’ll Gronk could have read that on a fortune cookie the night before and it was in his head. For real though, I don’t need to be convinced that there’s a real likelihood that it’s about Bill. I’ve acknowledged there is and I understand that, but until Gronk admits it we won’t ever really know. I only asked the question initially because of the timing of your post being so far after the Tweet. I thought, there might have been something new he had done that I missed. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 3, 2018 15:59:41 GMT -5
Does anyone think Bill is actually following Instagram or Twitter? Does anyone think he's paying attention to any of that crap? I'm sorry, I'm not buying that Bill cares. I would be surprised if Bill was following that stuff. At the same time when it starts getting reported at Patriots Wire and ESPN I'm sure he cares. That's what reports say, a source close to Bill says he's upset about it. Given he got upset about Welker making Jokes years back, it makes sense. He doesn't like media attention and there's a ton right now. Things like the Butler story that won't go away, Lane Johnsons comments, followed by Gronks. The timing sucks. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 3, 2018 16:17:45 GMT -5
Cool, so he’s on vacation talking to his girl about where he’s gonna sign. She tells him they she’s not moving to Miami and he gets upset is talking to his boys about it. Decides to sign anyways but us kind of upset about the girlfriend situation. and one of his boys tells him “Congrats buddy go be happy and be free”. No way that can be about his personal life it has to be about Belichick. In the days leading up to it, people never talk about their breaking up with their significant other to their friends before talking to that person. Here’s the thing. Reports of why he wrote that are absolutely meaningless. They are legitimately pure speculate and started before anything about his personal life came out. Now the entire thing about it being about his girl friend is speculative too. But both are plausible. To run with the story of it has to be about Bill is just fitting he evidence to the narrative you want to believe or have chosen to believe. Yea everything the way you explain it makes some sense and maybe even seemingly fits nearer, but that doesn’t make it right. I’m not surprised this is what people do these days across our news world. It’s easier, we like to have clean answers. I’d rather have true answers before I pass judgement. It could be about Bill (maybe even 80% likely) or it could be about his girlfriend (may even 15%) or there could be a different answer in that 5% range. He’ll Gronk could have read that on a fortune cookie the night before and it was in his head. For real though, I don’t need to be convinced that there’s a real likelihood that it’s about Bill. I’ve acknowledged there is and I understand that, but until Gronk admits it we won’t ever really know. I only asked the question initially because of the timing of your post being so far after the Tweet. I thought, there might have been something new he had done that I missed. I posted it then because of ESPNs new video where they talked about it again. After reaching out to sources on both sides. That's where you hear Bill was upset about it and questioned if Gronk was all in for a while now. Gronks sources saying he has issues with Bill and last season was both emotionally and physically draining. They do say it's nothing that can't be repaired, but there is an issue between the two. I always thought Gronk would be back 100% next year. Not anymore, it's like 90% right now. The possibility they trade him seems somewhat real now. I'd hate to see this turn into another Garoppolo type situation where Kraft has to get involved again. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 3, 2018 16:22:37 GMT -5
Patriots brought in WR Jordan Matthews and TE Troy Niklas for workouts yesterday. Both would be great signings. As a Notre Dame guy, sign Niklas. He's a Patriot type TE, and a great buy low type guy. He's got some ability catching the Ball that hasn't showed up in the pro's yet.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 3, 2018 16:28:07 GMT -5
Does anyone think Bill is actually following Instagram or Twitter? Does anyone think he's paying attention to any of that crap? I'm sorry, I'm not buying that Bill cares. I would be surprised if Bill was following that stuff. At the same time when it starts getting reported at Patriots Wire and ESPN I'm sure he cares. That's what reports say, a source close to Bill says he's upset about it. Given he got upset about Welker making Jokes years back, it makes sense. He doesn't like media attention and there's a ton right now. Things like the Butler story that won't go away, Lane Johnsons comments, followed by Gronks. The timing sucks. Ehh the Patriots still got two more years with Brady and Gronk. I think we are good shape. Welker was a lot different. He said his comments in a post game conference. I don't know why Bill would get upset over something he doesn't follow, but that's just me. You're entitled to think differently. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 3, 2018 17:16:24 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 3, 2018 17:18:32 GMT -5
Now go get ODB to replace him. Got a better pick than they gave up for him with one fewer year of control. This draft must be bad. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 3, 2018 17:20:34 GMT -5
Have to say I like it. Hope this means they sign Matthews. We needed an epic draft and now we can have one.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 3, 2018 18:21:53 GMT -5
Value wise it’s a great trade.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 3, 2018 21:18:15 GMT -5
IMO this is a smart move that has some moving parts and definite upside for Pats!!
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