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3/29-4/1 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 30, 2018 10:25:51 GMT -5
Neshek has been reliable for years. He's more proven than Kelly. 1. Pat Neshek has a very, very extensive injury history, and is 37. Those are good reasons to not to have signed him. 2. Pat Neshek is currently out with a back injury. So he would not have helped yesterday. I wish Kelly had a phantom DL stint before yesterday. That would have helped the Sox.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 30, 2018 10:26:35 GMT -5
1. Pat Neshek has a very, very extensive injury history, and is 37. Those are good reasons to not to have signed him. 2. Pat Neshek is currently out with a back injury. So he would not have helped yesterday. I wish Kelly had a phantom DL stint before yesterday. That would have helped the Sox. Yes, if the player who gave up all of the runs hadn't been there to give up the runs then he wouldn't have given up those runs. Is that your point? Am I following? EDIT: For the record here, Kelly had no appearances in 2017 where he allowed four or more runs, and one where he allowed three.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 30, 2018 10:31:08 GMT -5
Every team in baseball is going to lose games it should win, even the big, bad Yankees. I’m not worried about the loss, but I’m curious to see how this team responds to being punched in the gut. I can guarantee you that the Yankees will not blow a 4 run lead in the 8th all season. They will at some point, whether it's the 7th or 8th or whenever. They aren't perfect.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 30, 2018 10:32:52 GMT -5
I wish Kelly had a phantom DL stint before yesterday. That would have helped the Sox. Yes, if the player who gave up all of the runs hadn't been there to give up the runs then he wouldn't have given up those runs. Is that your point? Am I following? EDIT: For the record here, Kelly had no appearances in 2017 where he allowed four or more runs, and one where he allowed three. There was no point to that post. I hate Joe Kelly. That is all.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Mar 30, 2018 10:34:39 GMT -5
Deep breath...game 2 tonight! We win, we are at .500 and trending in the right direction!
Bruins in first. Celtics winning despite injuries. Baseball has returned the the Red Sox have a really good team with a few weaknesses. The fact that they showed in game 1 is really a good thing - there are 161 games to right the ship!
(I always start a season with great optimism).
Play ball!
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Post by sibbysisti on Mar 30, 2018 10:36:19 GMT -5
Again, he threw 29 pitches. I know it felt like a long time, but in terms of getting another pitcher ready to warm up to pitch, it was very much not a long time. Also, it wasn't a particularly high-leverage situation when he was brought in, either. I can't think of a better example of "every time a reliever gives up a run, it's the manager's fault" than Kelly (and Smith) yesterday. True and it did feel like an eternity. The game was flying by and then it ground to a halt. I think after the 2nd walk it was pretty obvious Kelly wasn't going to right the ship. I think Gomez should have faced Smith at that point - so that Smith was coming in without the bases being loaded where he had no margin for error. I think Cora did stay with Kelly 1 batter too long. Smith might have faltered anyways, but by pitch 20 it was pretty obvious Kelly wasn't going to get the job done. Obvious to everyone but the shiney new manager, apparently. I know it's only one game, and hopefully his judgement improves. But we were led to believe that he was a guy who thought outside the box and is an innovator. Heck, even the last manager saw fit to bring Kimbrel n when the game us on the line. A good manager recognizes when that is and adjusts accordingly. Kimbrel had less stress on his arm this spring.
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Post by Addam603 on Mar 30, 2018 10:38:08 GMT -5
The amount of overreaction here is incredible.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Mar 30, 2018 10:39:32 GMT -5
Players know today's a new day, put yesterdays game out of your mind and get back to doing your jobs. The season is long with highs and lows. Let's keep it in perspective.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 30, 2018 10:42:49 GMT -5
Hopefully Austin Madox gets healthy soon. The Sox could use him.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 30, 2018 10:56:23 GMT -5
Hopefully Austin Madox gets healthy soon. The Sox could use him. The entire season hangs in the balance. Today is a must win!
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Post by danredhawk on Mar 30, 2018 10:57:26 GMT -5
The amount of overreaction here is incredible. Right. Its ONE game. As long as Cora learns from games like this things will be fine. Farrell made the same mistakes with relievers like Kelly and Barnes, consistently. When they come in it is immediately obvious whether they have it or if their mechanics/release points are lost on that day. When both are off with their command they are flat-out uncompetitive and need to be hooked quickly. If Cora can recognize this early and have the bullpen ready to pick them up immediately - when needed - and not after it is already too late, things will be fine. I bet he will learn and make the appropriate decisions moving forward... But so much for the idea that passion for baseball is down in Boston and everyone is going to watch the B's/C's instead. One game and one massive meltdown across the city certainly proves otherwise...
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Post by sittingstill on Mar 30, 2018 11:10:18 GMT -5
He also said they didn't want to bring Poyner into that spot for his major league debut. On that one, I have the same response as you - why on earth was he the one warming then? Smith got up right after Kelly buzzed Kiermaier; Poyner started warming when Miller came out on deck to hit for Cron. (You can hear the press box announcements on the radio call.) I think Cora hoped Kelly would get Gomez (he had to face him, neither reliever was ready) and Poyner could face Miller with two out, runners on first and second, and a 4-1 lead. Instead Gomez walked and you had bases loaded, only one out, go-ahead run at the plate. The former would be a tough spot for a rookie to throw his first MLB pitch, but I think throwing him out there in the latter situation would have been bad management.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 30, 2018 11:12:15 GMT -5
The amount of overreaction here is incredible. On the one hand, its completely expected. On the other hand, its never not baffling on some level. Breath easy folks, at least one Boston team beat Tampa to move into 1st place in their division yesterday.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 30, 2018 11:17:04 GMT -5
Hey all, so we wanted to put this out there yesterday but weren't able to. I just want to point out that there's nothing in this thread that led to this or anything (given the circumstances, I think we could be doing a lot worse... ). But the moderating staff just wanted to post a note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2018, which we'll probably include at the top of the first few gameday threads: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been liberal in letting stuff go in the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way we do the rest of the board would be silly - we don't let the kind of off-the-cuff, one-line stuff go elsewhere, to give just one example. However, we do ask posters to maintain decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season than we have in the past. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, or if you're taking up half the thread on a given page, for example, you probably need to slow down), and of course, still follow the Ground Rules ( link), including the rules about being civil to one another and maintaining an intelligent level of posting. The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. The goal is for all of our posters here on the forum to have a fun, intelligent discussion. If anyone has any questions, DM one of the moderators. Thanks!
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Post by Addam603 on Mar 30, 2018 12:03:43 GMT -5
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Post by chrisfromnc on Mar 30, 2018 12:12:22 GMT -5
So tonight the Red Sox face Blake Snell. Please hit him hard.
Blake Snell? He has a robust 11-15 career record (just 2 mlb seasons) with a career 3.83 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP. Of course we all know this means he will go eight innings tonight and scatter three hits.
Kidding aside, it looks like he strikes out nearly 10 per nine innings pitched but walks more than 5 per nine innings. Last year's patient approach would seem to be a good idea. I must admit I liked watching the more aggressive team-wide approach yesterday.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 30, 2018 12:13:49 GMT -5
I am not very sophisticated in regards to all the analytics so I am a bit old school. My favorite stat is OPS, I figure it covers enough of what is important in quickly looking at a players production to get a good idea of his value. That being said, Joe Kelly as a reliever has an OPS against of 570 over the last 3 years. Combine that with a batting ave against of 202 and you have a very effective pitcher. Yesterdays outing was his worst as a reliever so it was ugly but isn't who he is as a player, time to move on.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 30, 2018 12:15:40 GMT -5
Every time I see Blake (or former Pirate Ian) Snell's name, Skynyrd's "That Smell" gets stuck in my head, with "Snell" inserted into the lyrics.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 30, 2018 12:18:54 GMT -5
Hopefully the one thing Cora did learn yesterday is that if Kelly doesn't have it, he really doesn't have it. Again, he threw 29 pitches. I know it felt like a long time, but in terms of getting another pitcher ready to warm up to pitch, it was very much not a long time. Also, it wasn't a particularly high-leverage situation when he was brought in, either. I can't think of a better example of "every time a reliever gives up a run, it's the manager's fault" than Kelly (and Smith) yesterday. Joe Kelly has phenomenally slow approach to throwing a single pitch. Are you factoring that in? Again. Cora deserves a lot of rope here, he is just started getting started. But this website appears to have gone ga-ga over him or is so happy that Farrell isn't managing they are losing some objectivity. What I do respect is that he had a plan and stuck with it, but he deserves some criticism.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 30, 2018 12:21:21 GMT -5
So tonight the Red Sox face Blake Snell. Please hit him hard. Blake Snell? He has a robust 11-15 career record (just 2 mlb seasons) with a career 3.83 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP. Of course we all know this means he will go eight innings tonight and scatter three hits. Kidding aside, it looks like he strikes out nearly 10 per nine innings pitched but walks more than 5 per nine innings. Last year's patient approach would seem to be a good idea. I must admit I liked watching the more aggressive team-wide approach yesterday. The depressing part here is that Blake Snell and Henry Owens kind of seemed like the same dude at one point. Snell throws harder for sure, but it was always a movement-and-secondaries profile with questionable command and control. Also I'm 100% positive that a reason I associated the two is that they have the exact same goofy look.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 30, 2018 12:21:49 GMT -5
Watch, in game 3 or so, Kelly will strike out the side and Barnes will give up bloop hits and walk 2 and everyone will declare Kelly the new 8th inning guy.
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Post by 75tillnow on Mar 30, 2018 12:22:37 GMT -5
For those who may be more apocalyptic about yesterday because our loss was combined with a Yankee opening day dream come true: Hicks and Bird are now both injured, for weeks if not months. And do you really think CC and Tanaka are going to last? That team is an injury train wreck waiting to happen! No worries! Have patience! Relax. And enjoy! Now....pardon me...the Dude needs to find his White Russian....
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Post by ramireja on Mar 30, 2018 12:22:45 GMT -5
The Snell of death surrounds you. Creepy.
Sidenote tangent: My wife laughs every time she hears "Whiskey bottles, and brand new cars. Oak tree you're in my way."
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 30, 2018 12:23:20 GMT -5
I am not very sophisticated in regards to all the analytics so I am a bit old school. My favorite stat is OPS, I figure it covers enough of what is important in quickly looking at a players production to get a good idea of his value. That being said, Joe Kelly as a reliever has an OPS against of 570 over the last 3 years. Combine that with a batting ave against of 202 and you have a very effective pitcher. Yesterdays outing was his worst as a reliever so it was ugly but isn't who he is as a player, time to move on. FWIW, the sample size is so small it jumped to .583 yesterday alone. The problem is the 3.8 BB/9 that's now 4.1 after yesterday. That's a lot higher than where you'd like it to be, and it's what got him yesterday.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 30, 2018 12:27:32 GMT -5
Watch, in game 3 or so, Kelly will strike out the side and Barnes will give up bloop hits and walk 2 and everyone will declare Kelly the new 8th inning guy. Wait until Kelly sucks again and people bring up the "hey guys, Brandon Workman has been pretty good in the minors lately" talk.
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