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Post by atzar on Mar 29, 2018 17:56:18 GMT -5
You can second-guess any decision when you've already seen that it didn't work.
The bottom line is that these pitchers had a job to do and they failed.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 29, 2018 17:57:13 GMT -5
I mean do you need a whole season's worth of information to see that Joe kelly sucked today. Cora isn't stupid. He did what managers all do, stick with their guy. I'm going to give Cora more than one f'ing game. That's fine, but don't displace others' criticisms. This is all very familiar. We should be winning this damn game.
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Post by nomar on Mar 29, 2018 17:58:20 GMT -5
Come on JBJ make this place less gloomy
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 29, 2018 17:58:36 GMT -5
I'm going to give Cora more than one f'ing game. That's fine, but don't displace others' criticisms. This is all very familiar. We should be winning this damn game. I'll argue with whoever I want, but thanks for the advice. The world isn't ending. The season isn't over. The team isn't going 0-162. Cora is not just as bad as Farrell already. I'll even bet that Kelly's ERA will go down from 108.00.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 29, 2018 17:59:46 GMT -5
That's fine, but don't displace others' criticisms. This is all very familiar. We should be winning this damn game. I'll argue with whoever I want, but thanks for the advice. The world isn't ending. The season isn't over. The team isn't going 0-162. Cora is not just as bad as Farrell already.I'll even bet that Kelly's ERA will go down from 108.00. Trending ...
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 29, 2018 18:00:44 GMT -5
I'll argue with whoever I want, but thanks for the advice. The world isn't ending. The season isn't over. The team isn't going 0-162. Cora is not just as bad as Farrell already.I'll even bet that Kelly's ERA will go down from 108.00. Trending ... Wouldn't be surprised in spoiled Red Sox fan's land.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 29, 2018 18:01:21 GMT -5
pathetic
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 29, 2018 18:01:31 GMT -5
Well the Red Sox snatched defeat out of the jaw of victory.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 29, 2018 18:02:15 GMT -5
Sucks that this happened in the first game, but the adjustments are what matter most in baseball.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 18:03:03 GMT -5
You can second-guess any decision when you've already seen that it didn't work. The bottom line is that these pitchers had a job to do and they failed. [b It’s hard to manage around four walks in an inning. This one’s on Kelly and Smith.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 29, 2018 18:03:47 GMT -5
Damn. That was like night and day. It's on Kelly...I agree....but Cora needs to be better.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 29, 2018 18:04:44 GMT -5
Brutal loss, but I’m still really happy with the team construction and manager.
I just don’t understand what Kelly’s done to continue warranting these changes. Let’s hope Cora makes him prove himself consistently (something Kelly’s never done) before getting more setup opportunies in the future.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 29, 2018 18:06:06 GMT -5
You can second-guess any decision when you've already seen that it didn't work. The bottom line is that these pitchers had a job to do and they failed. [b It’s hard to manage around four walks in an inning. This one’s on Kelly and Smith. and the manager for leaving Kelly in to walk three batters. No relief pitcher should get that opportunity, ever.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 29, 2018 18:07:04 GMT -5
That's fine, but don't displace others' criticisms. This is all very familiar. We should be winning this damn game. I'll argue with whoever I want, but thanks for the advice. The world isn't ending. The season isn't over. The team isn't going 0-162. Cora is not just as bad as Farrell already. I'll even bet that Kelly's ERA will go down from 108.00. Whatever. I wasn't trying to start something. I don't think Cora is a bullpen manager virgin, having been around baseball all his life. It's OK, people make mistakes. Hoping for better results tomorrow.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 29, 2018 18:07:34 GMT -5
If Sale had pitched the 7th then Barnes the 8th, maybe a different outcome today.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 29, 2018 18:09:43 GMT -5
To make matters worse, MFStanton hit 2 bombs today.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 18:11:41 GMT -5
We’ll find out more about this team tomorrow. It’s one game. Put it behind you. It sucks, but it happens. Go get the next one.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 29, 2018 18:12:29 GMT -5
To make matters worse, MFStanton hit 2 bombs today. Oh Lord. Did you just coin MFStanton? Don't let me see that again !!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 29, 2018 18:17:30 GMT -5
If Sale had pitched the 7th then Barnes the 8th, maybe a different outcome today. Probably. But I had no problem with Sale leaving after 91 pitches. It was the right move. Cora shouldn't have let Kelly stay in for Gomez. He knew Kelly had zero control. He doesn't know at that point that Smith has no control. By time Span came up with the bases loaded and 2 outs, Kimbrel should have been in the game. Cora talked about using Kimbrel to get key outs. There it was. Maybe Kimbrel gets wild, but his control was fine last year and if you're going to lose the game I'd rather lose with their best when it's on the line, so unless Kimbrel wasn't available I don't understand why he didn't come in. And Poyner warming up made no sense if they weren't going to use him. I do think the pen will have issues. This isn't a reaction to today's game. This is what I thought going in. Our pen was too perfect last year - all the extra inning wins. The law of averages is crazy. I think the core talent will play far better than last year but won't be as efficient as last year's team, so I see a team that will give away wins, but is talented enough to still win 95 games although these kinds of games are the difference between the division and the wild card game - not that it really mattered last year. In a way this team's talent level reminds me of the 2003 team who also suffered a devastating opening day loss to Tampa.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 29, 2018 18:18:13 GMT -5
Kelly needs to grow up and focus on his trade, he has far too much talent to be just a marginal RP. Reminds me of the conversation Clemons had with Schilling that changed him. Kelly needs to meet the expectations that his mouth and talent have become expected.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Mar 29, 2018 18:18:39 GMT -5
Tough loss, we win this game probably 8 or 9 times out of 10. Baseball's weird.
I'm gonna hate Stanton.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 29, 2018 18:30:52 GMT -5
If Sale had pitched the 7th then Barnes the 8th, maybe a different outcome today. Probably. But I had no problem with Sale leaving after 91 pitches. It was the right move.You say that rather casually. Does taking Sale to 105 - 110 pitches in this game create a measurable detriment in some other part of the season? Is this knowable? If not, how can one claim pulling him is "right" with any measure of certainty?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 29, 2018 18:32:15 GMT -5
Tough loss, we win this game probably 8 or 9 times out of 10. Baseball's weird. I'm gonna hate Stanton. Any team, good or bad, probably wins this game 95+ times out of 100. An inauspicious start.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 29, 2018 18:37:17 GMT -5
We should bring back Farrell
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 29, 2018 18:40:12 GMT -5
Another gripe: Top 7, Xander & Devers hit doubles, nobody out. The score is now 4-0. Good situational hitting demands move the runner over. Grounder to short, no advance. A couple of outs later, no insurance run.
At 5-0 maybe the manager brings in Poyner after Kelly instead of Smith.
I'll forgive some bullpen faux pas if the new manager cleans up the base running and improves situational hitting.
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