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4/5-4/8 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by swingingbunt on Apr 8, 2018 16:38:21 GMT -5
I'm done with this argument. Promise?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 8, 2018 16:41:09 GMT -5
A lot more people were blaming the Sox for the Blake Swihart broken ankle in the outfield, for everyone's information. Now it's non sense because of Martinez's garbage arm. I'm done with this argument. Yes, the former, while I don't agree with it, actually made a lick of sense.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 16:41:17 GMT -5
I'm done with this argument. Promise? Yeap. Have fun.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 8, 2018 16:53:29 GMT -5
So - you can thank me....I had to turn off the game to go do some errands, Just went to NESN to read about the loss...and found what happened. Reverse turn off depart errand jinx extraordinaire! Now I need to go and read about how Xander is...no idea yet.
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Post by patford on Apr 8, 2018 16:59:31 GMT -5
I am really not liking the silence on Bogaerts.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 8, 2018 17:00:22 GMT -5
I am really not liking the silence on Bogaerts. Agreed - I thought sure something tangible would be reported by now...fingers crossed.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Apr 8, 2018 17:00:56 GMT -5
While I do not think it is fair to say that JD's play in the outfield contributed to Bogaerts injury, I do think it is fair to say that JD's outfield play so far this year has been poor. Moreover, he was considered to be a poor defensive outfielder while he was in Detroit. The less they play JD in the outfield, the better I think it will be for the Red Sox pitchers.
Another person who did not acquit himself very well in the field today was Devers. I thought he looked pretty bad on at least a couple of plays. He looks slow charging the ball to me. As a hitter, i am a big Devers fan. I really think he could be a left-handed Miguel Cabrerra. And I know he works hard on his defense. I have seen him doing it in spring training. But I am not convinced he is going to be even an average major league third baseman. I hope I am wrong about that.
Hope I do not sound to negative, given that they are now 8-1. There pitching has been great so far and it looks like the bats are starting to com around. I am looking forward to seeing them play the Yankees now while the Red Sox are hot. I think it would be fun to get up on them 5 or 6 games early and see how they and their fans react.
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Post by patford on Apr 8, 2018 17:04:29 GMT -5
I am really not liking the silence on Bogaerts. Agreed - I thought sure something tangible would be reported by now...fingers crossed. It does not look too serious. I mean the way he walked out of the dugout, but I can't understand why no one is saying anything.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 8, 2018 17:11:36 GMT -5
While I do not think it is fair to say that JD's play in the outfield contributed to Bogaerts injury, I do think it is fair to say that JD's outfield play so far this year has been poor. Moreover, he was considered to be a poor defensive outfielder while he was in Detroit. The less they play JD in the outfield, the better I think it will be for the Red Sox pitchers. Another person who did not acquit himself very well in the field today was Devers. I thought he looked pretty bad on at least a couple of plays. He looks slow charging the ball to me. As a hitter, i am a big Devers fan. I really think he could be a left-handed Miguel Cabrerra. And I know he works hard on his defense. I have seen him doing it in spring training. But I am not convinced he is going to be even an average major league third baseman. I hope I am wrong about that. Hope I do not sound to negative, given that they are now 8-1. There pitching has been great so far and it looks like the bats are starting to com around. I am looking forward to seeing them play the Yankees now while the Red Sox are hot. I think it would be fun to get up on them 5 or 6 games early and see how they and their fans react. Martinez is not a very good outfielder. They can't let him get anywhere near rightfield in Fenway, that's for certain - he hasn't come close to figuring out the wall in leftfield yet. And Devers is going to have to keep working at it. The long throw he made from beyond the foul line after a nice stop was weak because he rushed it even though he had time. So he has to learn the runners and he's going to have to keep working on those slow rollers. There's work to do.
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Post by m1keyboots on Apr 8, 2018 17:13:04 GMT -5
You can't blame Martinez for Xander getting hurt like that, that was a freak injury. Blaming him for that happening is a little bit childish, and just plain shows maybe a dislike for the man
However, you can blame JD for never backing up the center fielder on balls hit in the gap, for having a terrible arm, for missing cutoff men left and right, as well as throws to bases for misjudging balls near the wall, and for not only being slow but taking bad routes period, on top of all that he insists on being out in the field which moves Andrew to Center. As much as I love Benintendi, and think hes an average center fielder, the difference between his and Jackie's defense shows in my opinion quite obviously.
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Post by soxfando on Apr 8, 2018 17:14:46 GMT -5
Not sure why Devers left the bag to back up the throw either. He did so because there was obviously no play on the runner at 3rd, and once the ball is in the infield like that the goal is to corral it to prevent runners from advancing bases.
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Post by m1keyboots on Apr 8, 2018 17:15:07 GMT -5
While I do not think it is fair to say that JD's play in the outfield contributed to Bogaerts injury, I do think it is fair to say that JD's outfield play so far this year has been poor. Moreover, he was considered to be a poor defensive outfielder while he was in Detroit. The less they play JD in the outfield, the better I think it will be for the Red Sox pitchers. Another person who did not acquit himself very well in the field today was Devers. I thought he looked pretty bad on at least a couple of plays. He looks slow charging the ball to me. As a hitter, i am a big Devers fan. I really think he could be a left-handed Miguel Cabrerra. And I know he works hard on his defense. I have seen him doing it in spring training. But I am not convinced he is going to be even an average major league third baseman. I hope I am wrong about that. Hope I do not sound to negative, given that they are now 8-1. There pitching has been great so far and it looks like the bats are starting to com around. I am looking forward to seeing them play the Yankees now while the Red Sox are hot. I think it would be fun to get up on them 5 or 6 games early and see how they and their fans react. Martinez is not a very good outfielder. They can't let him get anywhere near rightfield in Fenway, that's for certain - he hasn't come close to figuring out the wall in leftfield yet. And Devers is going to have to keep working at it. The long throw he made from beyond the foul line after a nice stop was weak because he rushed it even though he had time. So he has to learn the runners and he's going to have to keep working on those slow rollers. There's work to do. I'll have to disagree on the Devers comment, he did make at least one poor Fielding play, and he did double bounce that one through. However there were a couple Hot Shot One Hoppers be fielded cleanly and let off strong and accurate throws. It would be a stretch to compare Rafael Devers and JD Martinez's defense. Devers is capable with potential who sometimes makes mistakes but also can make the average play and even sometimes the spectacular. Whereas with JD I have to admit my heart rate jumps when the ball is hit to left field
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Post by soxfando on Apr 8, 2018 17:18:24 GMT -5
You can't blame Martinez for Xander getting hurt like that, that was a freak injury. Blaming him for that happening is a little bit childish, and just plane shows maybe a dislike for the man However, you can blame JD for never backing up the center fielder on balls hit in the gap, for having a terrible arm, for missing cutoff men left and right, as well as throws to bases for misjudging balls near the wall, and for not only being slow but taking bad routes period, on top of all that he insists on being out in the field which moves Andrew to Center. As much as I love Benintendi, and think hes an average center fielder, the difference between his and Jackie's defense shows in my opinion quite obviously. JD really has no business in the outfield (especially with the Red Sox' outfield as it is), but his throw on the Xander injury was actually pretty much where he's supposed to throw it.
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Post by patford on Apr 8, 2018 17:21:59 GMT -5
You can't blame Martinez for Xander getting hurt like that, that was a freak injury. Blaming him for that happening is a little bit childish, and just plane shows maybe a dislike for the man However, you can blame JD for never backing up the center fielder on balls hit in the gap, for having a terrible arm, for missing cutoff men left and right, as well as throws to bases for misjudging balls near the wall, and for not only being slow but taking bad routes period, on top of all that he insists on being out in the field which moves Andrew to Center. As much as I love Benintendi, and think hes an average center fielder, the difference between his and Jackie's defense shows in my opinion quite obviously. JD really has no business in the outfield (especially with the Red Sox' outfield as it is), but his throw on the Xander injury was actually pretty much where he's supposed to throw it. Didn't the ball end up hitting the wall about five feet up ? Yaz would have pretended he was going to play a carom then caught it over his shoulder and doubled the runner.
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Post by patford on Apr 8, 2018 17:40:07 GMT -5
I saw another replay and the ball hit at the base of the wall. It should easily have been caught. The throw was not all that bad and the problem came when Bogaerts booted it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 17:51:40 GMT -5
You can't blame Martinez for Xander getting hurt like that, that was a freak injury. Blaming him for that happening is a little bit childish, and just plane shows maybe a dislike for the man However, you can blame JD for never backing up the center fielder on balls hit in the gap, for having a terrible arm, for missing cutoff men left and right, as well as throws to bases for misjudging balls near the wall, and for not only being slow but taking bad routes period, on top of all that he insists on being out in the field which moves Andrew to Center. As much as I love Benintendi, and think hes an average center fielder, the difference between his and Jackie's defense shows in my opinion quite obviously. I'm not going to touch the first part about about Martinez and Xander because it's a complete contradiction after you explained Martinez's deficiency issues in the field, and I've already touched on that. However Martinez in LF turns the awesome outfield defense into a weakness. Benintendi is a *below* average CF. Martinez is basically Hanley Ramirez in LF. Mookie in RF is the only positive in this alignment.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 8, 2018 17:53:51 GMT -5
What do you call a pitcher who spends his career with a great xFIP but a poor ERA and WHIP? A non-existent pitcher.
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Post by p23w on Apr 8, 2018 18:01:05 GMT -5
Wow. The Sox are 8-1 with extra inning and come from behind wins and this forum just aches to bi**h. Amazing. Not a lot of patience or constructive criticism. Anybody want to comment on ERod's effort? What we have here are professional finger pointers seeking to assign blame. We are not 10 games into the season and the tone is emotional and personal. Sheesh. Lighten up.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 8, 2018 18:06:30 GMT -5
Wow. The Sox are 8-1 with extra inning and come from behind wins and this forum just aches to bi**h. Amazing. Not a lot of patience or constructive criticism. Anybody want to comment on ERod's effort? What we have here are professional finger pointers seeking to assign blame. We are not 10 games into the season and the tone is emotional and personal. Sheesh. Lighten up. If we add all the Exit Velocities of the hits he gave up beside the HR, I'm not sure they reach an 80 mph total! Beside the Walk he gave up to Rufsnyder, nothing to dislike in his whole performance.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 8, 2018 18:18:45 GMT -5
So - we are 8-1. Without knowing the extent of Xander's injury (which will hurt the offense if he is out for any length of time), team is batting .245 - but Xander, Mookie, Hanley, Rafael - even Christian and Eduardo are all in good shape. JD will break out - Benny, JBJ and Moreland are the big time strugglers at the moment (and Benny is walking a lot).
Pitching - no complaints - ERod's first start - good velocity, good early counts - rusty perhaps, lost a bit of focus - but the knee looked good - something to build on.
8-1! First time to start the season 8-1 in FRANCHISE HISTORY.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 18:21:45 GMT -5
Wow. The Sox are 8-1 with extra inning and come from behind wins and this forum just aches to bi**h. Amazing. Not a lot of patience or constructive criticism. Anybody want to comment on ERod's effort? What we have here are professional finger pointers seeking to assign blame. We are not 10 games into the season and the tone is emotional and personal. Sheesh. Lighten up. Give me good news on Xander and I'll be fine. He couldn't walk off on his own power today. He hit around .200 after being hit by a pitch last year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 8, 2018 18:29:02 GMT -5
I don't like JDM in the OF anymore than anybody else does, but the fact of the matter is Cora is going to play his entire roster. Guys are going to get rest.
Mookie will get days off. JBJ will get days off - probably more when he's not hitting. Benintendi will get days off. And likely when that happens the Sox defense will suffer with JDM in the outfield.
The silver lining is that the infield defense will be better at 1b with Moreland manning 1b and Hanley DHing. That's the usual outcome of an OF getting a day off - Moreland getting the ABs and displacing Hanley to DH.
The idea is that the short-term gain will be outweighed by the long-term gain - guys being less tired out when October rolls around.
So while I might not like it on a game level, for a season level it makes sense. The Sox want Moreland to get some ABs and play, and eventually it'll get more complicated when Pedroia comes back as far as Nunez' playing time goes.
And all this while Swihart still barely plays.
Cora isn't going to play his starting OF 162 games each. And it's not because of what they "promised" JD. At this point, the Sox can do what they want - Martinez isn't going anywhere, but you'll see that barring injuries that Martinez will wind up in the OF about 1/3 to 1/4 of the time.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2018 18:49:25 GMT -5
Wow. The Sox are 8-1 with extra inning and come from behind wins and this forum just aches to bi**h. Amazing. Not a lot of patience or constructive criticism. Anybody want to comment on ERod's effort? What we have here are professional finger pointers seeking to assign blame. We are not 10 games into the season and the tone is emotional and personal. Sheesh. Lighten up. Give me good news on Xander and I'll be fine. He couldn't walk off on his own power today. He hit around .200 after being hit by a pitch last year. That was weird he walked back from the dugout then couldn’t walk off the field... feels precautionary.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 8, 2018 18:54:43 GMT -5
Could’ve swelled up as he was trying to walk it off. Hopefully it is precautionary, but best to get him right. Ankles/feet can be the kind of injury that could linger if he tries to comes back too fast.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 8, 2018 19:00:48 GMT -5
JD really has no business in the outfield Honestly I think he was promised that he would get to play OF occasionally, for whatever reason it is important to him. Keeping him happy by trotting JD out there once a week is probably what we'll see going forward.
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