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4/5-4/8 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 8, 2018 19:04:49 GMT -5
It seems like the common theme with the Boston teams all have significant injuries this year. Next man up. Maybe Benny will get going now. I guess Holt, Nunez might not be healthy for that job or Lin.
I wouldn't of hit Devers behind Moreland. I also hope Cora gets Swihart some work. I cant argue they beat up this team. I would start Swihart over Leon next time. The kid is familiar with the young pitchers. Yankees next.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Apr 8, 2018 19:08:48 GMT -5
Folks need to be patient with Devers. He is one of those prospects whose bat pushed him through the minors and to The Show before his defense was completely ready. He'll be perfectly competent at 3B some day, as long as his weight doesn't drive him off the position.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 19:12:04 GMT -5
JD really has no business in the outfield Honestly I think he was promised that he would get to play OF occasionally, for whatever reason it is important to him. Money.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 8, 2018 19:16:17 GMT -5
JD really has no business in the outfield Honestly I think he was promised that he would get to play OF occasionally, for whatever reason it is important to him. Keeping him happy by trotting JD out there once a week is probably what we'll see going forward. Well JD in left is the only way Moreland gets off the bench with Hanley hitting.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 8, 2018 19:28:53 GMT -5
Hopefully Xander didn't sustain a break...or ligament damage. The fact that he had severe pain after walking fairly easily back to SS suggests to me a fairly significant injury.
E-Rod...As has been the case historically, he had a high pitch count (90+ at 3 1/3) from a combo of many foul balls and inefficient location.
It looked like he had a tough cutter to lefties, a pretty effective change and a sharply tailing pitch to righties.
He can't forever be at 100+ pitches after 5 though. That script needs to change.
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Post by soxfan2015 on Apr 8, 2018 20:11:59 GMT -5
Does anyone here know what it looks like when a person tears their Achilles? If so does it look like this injury is worrisome? Trying to think of best and worst case here. Pretty nerve racking
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Post by wildsox on Apr 8, 2018 20:30:00 GMT -5
I’m going to give E-Rod a free pass for this on as he didn’t really have a spring to build up stamina. He started strong but looked like he ran out of steam and got burned by a few dribblers and bloops.
Not sure what to think of Xander. He walked out of the dugout and then realized the pain which is odd.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 8, 2018 20:32:59 GMT -5
Honestly I think he was promised that he would get to play OF occasionally, for whatever reason it is important to him. Money. If that’s his plan it’s a bad one.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 8, 2018 20:51:19 GMT -5
Honestly I think he was promised that he would get to play OF occasionally, for whatever reason it is important to him. Money. So then apparently the thought process would be that opens up the NL as a landing spot in two years if he wants to hit the market again because he has to play the field. That makes some sense I guess. Otherwise his market would be cut in half as a DH only.
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Post by libertine on Apr 8, 2018 20:52:33 GMT -5
Just a thought about E-Rod. I don't know if I agree with rushing him back after no ST and a (couple?) rehab start(s). I think he will be fine so I won't overreact to one iffy start. But it was vintage E-Rod when he isn't going well. High pitch count, out of the game early. We have Johnson and Velazquez, who both were solid in their first respective starts, so why rush E-Rod back? It isn't like we're short on SP options.
Fingers crossed about Xander...
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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 8, 2018 21:15:34 GMT -5
Does anyone here know what it looks like when a person tears their Achilles? If so does it look like this injury is worrisome? Trying to think of best and worst case here. Pretty nerve racking
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Post by telson13 on Apr 8, 2018 21:25:44 GMT -5
Does anyone here know what it looks like when a person tears their Achilles? If so does it look like this injury is worrisome? Trying to think of best and worst case here. Pretty nerve racking I tore mine. It didn’t hurt, but I couldn’t walk on it at all. It was completely unstable. My stepfather tore his a few weeks later and walked on it, just with a limp. It’s an unlikely injury at 25. My guess is it’s a sprain or strain, ankle ligaments or something like peroneus longus muscle/lower gastrocnemius or soleus. Sometimes mild sprains don’t hurt until you go and make a certain movement that stresses it (I had that happen at work once, walking through a scrub room where the floor was wet...mild sprain of the talofibular ligament, fine in 3-4 days)
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Post by soxfan2015 on Apr 8, 2018 21:36:30 GMT -5
Does anyone here know what it looks like when a person tears their Achilles? If so does it look like this injury is worrisome? Trying to think of best and worst case here. Pretty nerve racking I tore mine. It didn’t hurt, but I couldn’t walk on it at all. It was completely unstable. My stepfather tore his a few weeks later and walked on it, just with a limp. It’s an unlikely injury at 25. My guess is it’s a sprain or strain, ankle ligaments or something like peroneus longus muscle/lower gastrocnemius or soleus. Sometimes mild sprains don’t hurt until you go and make a certain movement that stresses it (I had that happen at work once, walking through a scrub room where the floor was wet...mild sprain of the talofibular ligament, fine in 3-4 days) very insightful thank you. Let’s hope it’s just a short term thing
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Post by patford on Apr 8, 2018 21:46:40 GMT -5
The complete lack of any news is very concerning. Typically you will at least see various people saying so and so was seen walking around without crutches or in a boot, the player will say something is sore but will be alright, etc. Complete silence is very weird.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 8, 2018 21:57:04 GMT -5
Does anyone here know what it looks like when a person tears their Achilles? If so does it look like this injury is worrisome? Trying to think of best and worst case here. Pretty nerve racking I tore mine. It didn’t hurt, but I couldn’t walk on it at all. It was completely unstable. My stepfather tore his a few weeks later and walked on it, just with a limp. It’s an unlikely injury at 25. My guess is it’s a sprain or strain, ankle ligaments or something like peroneus longus muscle/lower gastrocnemius or soleus. Sometimes mild sprains don’t hurt until you go and make a certain movement that stresses it (I had that happen at work once, walking through a scrub room where the floor was wet...mild sprain of the talofibular ligament, fine in 3-4 days) Yeah...obviously speculative but pretty sure this is not an Achilles issue for the reasons you mentioned. The delayed apparently increased pain is curious. Maybe he felt instability and that scared him into reacting as he did.....I suspect the Sox are trying hard to reduce swelling so diagnostics of soft tissue can be more determinative. It is worrisome though. This guy looked to be on the verge of a huge breakout. Growing up I don't recall injuries being nearly as prevalent as they appear to be in today's game.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 8, 2018 22:39:35 GMT -5
I tore mine. It didn’t hurt, but I couldn’t walk on it at all. It was completely unstable. My stepfather tore his a few weeks later and walked on it, just with a limp. It’s an unlikely injury at 25. My guess is it’s a sprain or strain, ankle ligaments or something like peroneus longus muscle/lower gastrocnemius or soleus. Sometimes mild sprains don’t hurt until you go and make a certain movement that stresses it (I had that happen at work once, walking through a scrub room where the floor was wet...mild sprain of the talofibular ligament, fine in 3-4 days) Yeah...obviously speculative but pretty sure this is not an Achilles issue for the reasons you mentioned. The delayed apparently increased pain is curious. Maybe he felt instability and that scared him into reacting as he did.....I suspect the Sox are trying hard to reduce swelling so diagnostics of soft tissue can be more determinative. It is worrisome though. This guy looked to be on the verge of a huge breakout. Growing up I don't recall injuries being nearly as prevalent as they appear to be in today's game. Here is a New York Times article from 2009 that talks about the growing number of injuries. mobile.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/sports/baseball/07injuries.htmlAmong the reasons put forward is that banning stimulants have caused players to be unable to play through the pain.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 9, 2018 6:15:12 GMT -5
If that’s his plan it’s a bad one. Yeap, and it's clearly the plan. He made a big stink about he how thinks he's a good outfielder in the press conference. Yet, he didn't care where he hits in the lineup. He doesn't want to labeled as a DH because that limits bidders and the DH market has a set market.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 9, 2018 7:39:07 GMT -5
If that’s his plan it’s a bad one. Yeap, and it's clearly the plan. He made a big stink about he how thinks he's a good outfielder in the press conference. Yet, he didn't care where he hits in the lineup. He doesn't want to labeled as a DH because that limits bidders and the DH market has a set market. I wish him well if that's really what he thinks, because he's not going to get much playing time if he's playing the field worse than Manny. Those kinds of promises are not binding, nor would they even be viewed as a negative if the team broke it when he was killing the team. But I personally don't know what people are actually thinking so I'm not going to just assume that is the case.
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Post by p23w on Apr 9, 2018 8:06:51 GMT -5
After seeing JD in the field, and being witness to Blackmon's extension my thought is the signing was an overpay of the first magnitude. It is what it is. Soldier on Red Sox nation.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 9, 2018 8:36:11 GMT -5
Opening day loss after a 97.1% Win Probability was the worst since May 28th, 2016 in Toronto, when they had a 98.1% in the 8th inning. Yesterday's win after a 1.5% WP was the best since June 24th, 2016 in Texas, when they had a 1.3% in the 9th. That was the game when they were down 7-4 with 2 outs in the 9th and Mookie greeted Matt Bush with a game-tying HR, and Bush then wild-pitched in the go-ahead run. They came back from 0.06% on 8/1/13 versus Seattle at Fenway, when they scored 6 in the bottom of the 9th, winning on Nava's bases-loaded 1-out 1B after Gomes had tied the game. This may or may not have been the most dramatic home comeback since then -- I know I have the 2014 and 2015 records somewhere among the 2,074 spreadsheets in C:/Data/Excel/BBall, but I can't find them (I think they may be worksheets in other files ...). (If anyone remembers a super-dramatic home win from 2014 or 2015, I'll check them out at some point. I'm surprisingly bad at remembering individual games.) I can't find a pair of games in 2013, 2016, or 2017 this extreme this close together in time -- let alone against the same opponent, let alone close mirror-images of one another. I really have to organize all this stuff better ...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 9, 2018 8:36:50 GMT -5
Yeap, and it's clearly the plan. He made a big stink about he how thinks he's a good outfielder in the press conference. Yet, he didn't care where he hits in the lineup. He doesn't want to labeled as a DH because that limits bidders and the DH market has a set market. I wish him well if that's really what he thinks, because he's not going to get much playing time if he's playing the field worse than Manny. Those kinds of promises are not binding, nor would they even be viewed as a negative if the team broke it when he was killing the team. But I personally don't know what people are actually thinking so I'm not going to just assume that is the case. Well I hope the Sox have the stones to tell their best hitter that he's a full-time DH sooner than later. Forget the Xander play, he's cost the Sox 2 actual runs on the field in 3 games on the field. Don't know how that translates to DRS, but he's not capable out there anymore. A weakness or a liability, you can call it. Swihart should be the guy out there when a outfielder needs a day off.
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Post by costpet on Apr 9, 2018 8:39:58 GMT -5
They complained about Bogg's defense when he first came up, but he worked on it and became a very good 3rd baseman. No errors in 9 games. Every error does not lead to a run. His bat is far more important than anything he does in the field and, so far, he's done fine. On the other hand, JD in left is not good, no matter what they promised him. I hope they don't use him there in the Yankee series. We don't need a prima donna running the club.
Now, let's all go to church and pray X is fine, like by tomorrow.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 9, 2018 9:02:08 GMT -5
After seeing JD in the field, and being witness to Blackmon's extension my thought is the signing was an overpay of the first magnitude. It is what it is. Soldier on Red Sox nation. Your first thought maybe should have been that Blackmon's offensive numbers are a creation of playing in thin air in Colorado? His career OPS at Colorado is .968 and his career OPS on the road is only .750. Do you think other teams don't know that? Given the way the market worked this past offseason maybe that's why he took what he can get? Obviously Blackmon has a lot more value on defense than Martinez does, but offensively it's not even close as to who the better hitter is. Eventually JDM will hit like he has the last several years. Meanwhile his defense will continue to be lousy, but if Betts, Bradley, and Benintendi have more in the tank come October, which they haven't had the last couple of years, then it will all be worth it. The regular season is important but after the past two years, the only thing that really matters is kicking butt in October and having fresh players at that time of year can only help. Certainly can't be worse than they have been in October, and this team, if they stay relatively healthy, has what it takes to play in October and go deep into October.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 9, 2018 9:05:44 GMT -5
I wish him well if that's really what he thinks, because he's not going to get much playing time if he's playing the field worse than Manny. Those kinds of promises are not binding, nor would they even be viewed as a negative if the team broke it when he was killing the team. But I personally don't know what people are actually thinking so I'm not going to just assume that is the case. Well I hope the Sox have the stones to tell their best hitter that he's a full-time DH sooner than later. Forget the Xander play, he's cost the Sox 2 actual runs on the field in 3 games on the field. Don't know how that translates to DRS, but he's not capable out there anymore. A weakness or a liability, you can call it. Swihart should be the guy out there when a outfielder needs a day off. Perhaps that is the way to go? I'm not convinced that Swihart is capable defensively in the outfield either. All we know is he crunched himself pretty good when he was in LF, but the kid needs ABs, so it would come at the cost of PA for Mitch Moreland, although Moreland can do some late inning defensive subbing for Hanley still. If JMD is such a huge liability in the OF then trying Swihart in the OF as the guy who gets JBJ, Mookie, and Benintendi their rest makes some sense, especially when the Sox need to get a better idea about his offense. They haven't exactly rushed to use him behind the plate. As for JDM's defense, yes it's been atrocious, but it can take some time to get used to playing the wall. Yesterday an inexperienced LF Mallex Smith failed to make a catch at the base of the wall that a Fenway experienced LF would have caught. I would anticipate JDM or even Swihart to have some of those issues at first. That doesn't excuse JDM's awful throws, though. It was really cold. If he's still offline when the weather heats up and he hasn't figured out the wall by then, then perhaps Swihart is the way to go. As it is, they're kind of wasting Swihart's career and his value is very low right now.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 9, 2018 9:57:52 GMT -5
After seeing JD in the field, and being witness to Blackmon's extension my thought is the signing was an overpay of the first magnitude. It is what it is. Soldier on Red Sox nation. The Sox held serve with their negotiations like they should have. You’re paying for his bat. I’ve been critical of him too but it’s early, he had a condensed Spring and it’s cold out here. Let’s give him a little bit of time. He’s shown he can flat out rake and as long as he does that he’s worth the contract because they held ground.
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