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4/10-4/12 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 11, 2018 22:11:51 GMT -5
Weird, weird game....what a grind - a real mix of good and bad - let's do it again tomorrow.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 11, 2018 22:24:29 GMT -5
Cora doesn't expect a MRI to Price. Thinks he won't need a DL stint. Kind of blamed the cold with Price's problems tonight. It looks like the Sox dodged a bullet.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 11, 2018 22:30:12 GMT -5
I would have rather seen Swihart there tbh Agreed and if you're not going to use Swihart over Sandy Leon in that spot then what the heck is he even doing in the roster. And I'm a Sandy fan. To be fair, Swihart is a better hitter from the left side than the right, with the opposite true for Leon. Even last year when he was awful, Leon was .247/.321/.411 vs. LHP as opposed to .217/.279/.333 vs. RHP, whereas Swihart for his career is .253/.337/.322 vs. LHP and .274/.327/.398 vs. RHP.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 11, 2018 22:38:31 GMT -5
Agreed and if you're not going to use Swihart over Sandy Leon in that spot then what the heck is he even doing in the roster. And I'm a Sandy fan. To be fair, Swihart is a better hitter from the left side than the right, with the opposite true for Leon. Even last year when he was awful, Leon was .247/.321/.411 vs. LHP as opposed to .217/.279/.333 vs. RHP, whereas Swihart for his career is .253/.337/.322 vs. LHP and .274/.327/.398 vs. RHP. Swihart natural swing is from the right side. He got to switch hitting (and learning to hit left handed) as a senior in HS. ADD: This doesn't mean I disliked pinch hitting Leon for the reason you mentionned (strong splits vs LHP)
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 11, 2018 22:42:58 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks JDM is close to going on a major tear? I think he is going to have a huge year. Seems to at a minimum come close to homering every game. Offense will be fine, it will all come down to pitching. There is a reliever on one of the other 31 teams that isnt here yet.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 11, 2018 23:02:27 GMT -5
It looks like bean balling was the theme tonight in MLB! After the Arenado fight this evening and our game, same has happened in Texas
but here it looks worse
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 12, 2018 7:42:47 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 12, 2018 7:59:32 GMT -5
a few stats to ponder for the day
Our "slow offense" start is being well mitigated - Boston has a team .261 BA - 4th in all of MLB. We are 6th in runs, First in doubles, 6th in OBP, 5th in OPS.
Pitching - we've slipped to 6th in ERA - allowing a team BA of .227, for 9th - but a few outlier games inflated these numbers a bit.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 12, 2018 8:06:44 GMT -5
If there is such a thing as a respectable loss to the MFYs last night was it.
I'll be convinced that David Price is alright when I see him go out and pitch like he normally can. Until then I'm still worried about him. As it is, it can get cold in October and I wouldn't want Price to have the same issue in a playoff start.
I guess I'll find out soon why Poyner needs to go on the DL.
As for the game itself, I liked how the Red Sox kept fighting, literally and figuratively. They fell behind, climbed back in, and at least made the Yankees nervous in the 9th. Chapman got the key K of Mookie to deflate the rally, but the Sox were fighting to the end in a way that to me didn't feel like a tease.
When the Sox are down in the 9th they keep plugging away. Other editions have rolled over and played dead. I like this about this year's squad.
And the brawl and the way the Sox handled it was far and away better than the way they handled last year's fiasco with the Orioles.
Kind of reminds me a little bit of 1989 when Joe Price, a lefty reliever for the Sox, tried to fire the Sox up by initiating a brawl, plunked a batter and none of his teammates came out to support him. Later on Mike Greenwell labeled his teammates "a bunch of whimps and fairies", and when asked about it, manager Walpole Joe Morgan said that was an accurate assessment.
Fast forward a year later Roger Clemens drills Stan Jefferson of Cleveland and instead of lying about the intent, Morgan told everybody that the Sox took a vote and it was unanimous 35-0 that Jefferson was going down. Morgan got suspended for the statement but it told everybody that unlike the previous year the Sox were on the same page. As it was the not-too-talented 1990 squad overachieved their way to a division title.
I think this incident last night reminds me of that comparison and I think it bodes well for the season.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2018 8:15:10 GMT -5
If Lin doesn’t start tonight then Cora doesn’t give a rip about stats. If he loves Holt that much let him start at 2nd and give Nuñez a day off.
Also, if Mookie, Hanley, Devers or JDM have a ‘scheduled day off’ tonight - I may explode.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 12, 2018 8:41:53 GMT -5
I’m on board with hating the Yankees, but that looked innocuous to me. Looked like he was trying to slide to the left of Holt but didn’t anticipate Holt swinging his leg that direction. Just my opinion. I agree. It may or may not have been a rule violation and a bad call by the ump. I don't think though it was done with any intent to injure. When I first saw it I thought it was dirty but the last view I saw (from the camera in left that's in line with 1st & 2nd) it didn't look like he did anything intentional. I think what Kelly did was kinda dumb. I admit though, my heart was pounding. It was exciting. It would have made me hate the MFY's even more if that were possible. If you're going to put in a rule that makes it so players at 2b or at home no longer have to defend themselves, then there has to be zero tolerance on slides like that, every single time. Otherwise you will always have this happen, no matter what stupid crap is said off the field. You'll also end up with more injuries. His foot was almost two feet off the ground and off to the side instead of pointing at the bag. He's clearly trying to break up the out by spiking Holt which he did. It easily could have ended with a torn ACL. Then what? There is absolutely no question that it was intentional. He should be suspended as long as Kelly is but of course he won't be because it's the Yankees. Oh yeah and he also punched Feebles in the head.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 12, 2018 8:50:30 GMT -5
I hate the eye-for-an-eye stuff and intentionally throwing at people, but that's what happens when umps won't be proactive. Austin's slide was clearly dirty, and after the Chase Utley thing a couple years ago, baseball was going to crack down on that. He should've been tossed before it came to the Red Sox feeling they needed to take it into their own hands. Watching the replay, he wasn't in contact with the base and the spikes were way up. That's out of line.
Kelly should get probably six games and Austin 10. In reality it will probably be like Kelly getting four and Austin three and we'll keep seeing incidents like this because the league doesn't do a good enough job punishing the bad actors and instigators.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 12, 2018 8:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 12, 2018 8:56:24 GMT -5
If Lin doesn’t start tonight then Cora doesn’t give a rip about stats. If he loves Holt that much let him start at 2nd and give Nuñez a day off. Also, if Mookie, Hanley, Devers or JDM have a ‘scheduled day off’ tonight - I may explode. I have to agree here. After a slow, easy, gearing up spring and with a number of off days early on, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be "resting" your best players now...particularly with Xander forced out. Save that stuff for June, July, August. The idea of giving players more rest is a late baseball trend and addresses an area overlooked. But the pendulum is swinging a bit too far IMO with the Sox.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 12, 2018 8:57:44 GMT -5
When you say baseball and then only bring up the Red Sox ratings, it's kind of a moot point.
There is probably going to be a work stoppage because of free agency and the issues surrounding it in the next CBA. It is still a problem and it still isn't good for baseball.
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 12, 2018 9:20:45 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 12, 2018 9:49:09 GMT -5
Marcus Walden is The Highlander.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 12, 2018 10:28:41 GMT -5
I also like the way the team went about their business last night. A lot went wrong early and they kept fighting. That is a good sign.
I was upset about my viewing experience and that put me in a situation where my emotions were sure to get the best of me. I stayed tuned to the game and followed the thread. The Matt Barnes things is getting hard to handle. I still believe his stuff can play, but I don't see much hope for a change to the kind of reliever we all hope for.
As far as the slide....I am a fan of the Boston Red Sox...I am always looking for reasons to hate these douches more....and I got another one last night.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 12, 2018 10:31:17 GMT -5
It is a fair point...but I think the 9-2 record probably has the most to do with it
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 12, 2018 10:35:44 GMT -5
I am always looking for reasons to hate these douches more....and I got another one last night. Every so often I worry that I'm growing up - that while I root for the Yankees to lose, of course, I don't hate them in the way that I would have in my teens and early 20's. That post-Jeter/Swisher era just didn't have a ton to make me really angry, you know? Sure, Brett Gardner was a totally fine subject for my ire, but it wasn't the same. And then a Tyler Austin comes around, throwing his spikes up on a double-play ball, charging the mound after one shot to the ribs, and taking a fist to the temple of the third base coach. What a miserable Karim Garcia-level bum. Screw that guy. It is a fair point...but I think the 9-2 record probably has the most to do with it So what you're saying is that the on-field product, not how long it takes free agents to sign, is what will drive interest? We are on the same page here, my friend.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 12, 2018 10:43:04 GMT -5
There's maybe 10 teams with good on field products though and a lot of teams aren't spending which had a lot to do about that subject.
Alex Cobb signed in March and his team has already started playing games without him because of it. Same with Greg Holland. It might have already cost their team wins.
Is that good for baseball?
Edit- The Sox are one of the 5 or 7 best teams in the sport. This team should be drawing fans or we as Boston fans should hang out heads in shame.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 12, 2018 10:52:37 GMT -5
Anyways, Rick Porcello needs to go 6 strong inning tonight or the Sox could be porked in the bullpen for a while. All it takes is for 2 bad pitching games in a row to set your bullpen back in terms of rest.
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Post by dd on Apr 12, 2018 11:08:30 GMT -5
I agree. It may or may not have been a rule violation and a bad call by the ump. I don't think though it was done with any intent to injure. When I first saw it I thought it was dirty but the last view I saw (from the camera in left that's in line with 1st & 2nd) it didn't look like he did anything intentional. I think what Kelly did was kinda dumb. I admit though, my heart was pounding. It was exciting. It would have made me hate the MFY's even more if that were possible. If you're going to put in a rule that makes it so players at 2b or at home no longer have to defend themselves, then there has to be zero tolerance on slides like that, every single time. Otherwise you will always have this happen, no matter what stupid crap is said off the field. You'll also end up with more injuries. His foot was almost two feet off the ground and off to the side instead of pointing at the bag. He's clearly trying to break up the out by spiking Holt which he did. It easily could have ended with a torn ACL. Then what? There is absolutely no question that it was intentional. He should be suspended as long as Kelly is but of course he won't be because it's the Yankees. Oh yeah and he also punched Feebles in the head. I kind of agree about the rule but I'm not a rules expert. I just read that he drew blood and that alone should probably result in a call of some sort, be it the double play the Sox weren't trying to get or even an ejection. All of that is about what happened rather than intent. I'm addressing whether or not there was malicious intent. I'm using the criminal jury rule. At first I screamed at the TV about what he'd done but after watching several view, especially the one I mentioned, I cannot say beyond a reasonable doubt that his intent was to kick Holt. I haven't played organized baseball in probably 60 years but I do think that in sliding there can be issues of balance. It's possible for a leg to fly up out of carelessness as one slides. Looking at where Holt's leg was at the start of the slide and where both legs were when contact is made, I vote not guilty, your honor, on the count of intent to injure. I can certainly understand the opposing point of view but, OTOH, I'm not going to look at it anymore. :-)
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Post by soxcentral on Apr 12, 2018 11:17:50 GMT -5
I am always looking for reasons to hate these douches more....and I got another one last night. Every so often I worry that I'm growing up - that while I root for the Yankees to lose, of course, I don't hate them in the way that I would have in my teens and early 20's. That post-Jeter/Swisher era just didn't have a ton to make me really angry, you know? Sure, Brett Gardner was a totally fine subject for my ire, but it wasn't the same. And then a Tyler Austin comes around, throwing his spikes up on a double-play ball, charging the mound after one shot to the ribs, and taking a fist to the temple of the third base coach. What a miserable Karim Garcia-level bum. Screw that guy. It is a fair point...but I think the 9-2 record probably has the most to do with it So what you're saying is that the on-field product, not how long it takes free agents to sign, is what will drive interest? We are on the same page here, my friend. MLB attendance is down 1,209 per game across 30 clubs according to Forbes (thru 4/11/18), so there is a counterargument to be made if it's worth discussing (which I think it isn't yet).
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Post by jmei on Apr 12, 2018 11:20:28 GMT -5
To be fair, the Marlins alone are responsible for a decent chunk of that.
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