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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 8, 2018 13:37:19 GMT -5
Why would he post so much about his curveball if there wasn't a connection? Just because I didn't remember one thing correctly doesn't mean I would post stuff just mislead people or to have a agenda. Edit- The people on CSNE was agreeing with him. I'm sure a lot of people think that way. Everyone thinks Price is on the brink of Tommy John surgery and are looking for a reason why he could be hurt. Because Price not using the curveball is noteworthy without it having anything to do with an injury? I don't think you try to mislead people at all. I think you have bad habits of making hasty generalizations based on limited evidence and skipping logical steps in your reasoning without realizing it. Doesn't make you a bad person or anything. Okay. I'll try to not post anything without factual evidence from this point on. I'll just go by what I can clearly see as fact and won't make anymore "hunches." I won't post short sample sized facts anymore and make emotional attachments to them. This time, it wasn't me making the generalizations however.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 8, 2018 14:02:25 GMT -5
It's what i live for.....games against the MFY's. Beat these mofo's into the ground !!!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 8, 2018 14:09:57 GMT -5
Betts in the lineup tonight, so is JBJ.
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Post by wildsox on May 8, 2018 14:21:43 GMT -5
Betts in the lineup tonight, so is JBJ. I was hoping we’d see Moreland over JBJ with the way he’s been hitting. This has to be an important game for JBJ in regards to playing time moving forward
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Post by James Dunne on May 8, 2018 14:25:33 GMT -5
Ahahahahahahahaha, it's like they are taunting their own fans. I love it.
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Post by jimed14 on May 8, 2018 14:26:38 GMT -5
I'm kind of curious how Nunez keeps playing almost every game while Lin wastes away on the bench. I realize Lin wasn't hitting either, but he's ten times the defensive player. Over Nunez' last 10 games, he's hitting .179/.179/.256.
Nunez is starting to look like a DFA candidate when Pedroia is back.
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Post by Guidas on May 8, 2018 14:29:15 GMT -5
I'm kind of curious how Nunez keeps playing almost every game while Lin wastes away on the bench. I realize Lin wasn't hitting either, but he's ten times the defensive player. Over Nunez' last 10 games, he's hitting .179/.179/.256. Gritty veteran unwritten rule rule.
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Post by manfred on May 8, 2018 14:29:52 GMT -5
I pitched in college through elbow injury that eventually ended in TJ. The curve, by the end, was actually the most comfortable pitch. I don't think not throwing the curve is a sign that his elbow hurts -- though it might. Loss of velocity and command is a bigger sign of that (but, given the loss of velocity with age, it is hard to say his loss is not simply natural).
I don't really remember Price having a good curveball. Did he? I think the problem with him is that in his day, he threw mid-to-high 90s, and he has a slider/cutter combo with good separation. He didn't need a curveball, because of that split. It was as much that separation as any real vertical movement that threw off hitters. Now, he has almost no separation in velocity and an arsenal that sees a relatively small difference in movement: in other words, every time the ball leaves his hands, it will be between 88-93 mph, and wherever it appears to be headed from his hand it will arrive within a few inches. If it cuts or breaks from his slider, it is not so much that guessing fastball will throw you off completely.
If he is going to have a second career with a mediocre fastball, it will require developing and using a bigger curveball or a circlechange -- something that moves more vertically than his current pitches and has a much larger velocity separation. Otherwise, his command has to be absolutely perfect.
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Post by Guidas on May 8, 2018 14:30:05 GMT -5
Betts in the lineup tonight, so is JBJ. Unfortunately, Mookie hitting first again. I wonder if that will continue once Pedroia is back.
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Post by danr on May 8, 2018 14:36:19 GMT -5
Betts wants to hit leadoff and Cora wants him to. I doubt he will hit in any other position for the time being. I doubt Pedroia will hit leadoff. Depending on how he does, he could be second, or seventh.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 8, 2018 14:51:25 GMT -5
Holt activated. Lin optioned.
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Post by Guidas on May 8, 2018 14:55:33 GMT -5
Holt activated. Lin optioned. Then start him over Nuney.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 8, 2018 15:31:48 GMT -5
I'm kind of curious how Nunez keeps playing almost every game while Lin wastes away on the bench. I realize Lin wasn't hitting either, but he's ten times the defensive player. Over Nunez' last 10 games, he's hitting .179/.179/.256. Nunez is starting to look like a DFA candidate when Pedroia is back. I mean, Holt has options, I would rather they keep Nunez on the bench until the deadline. He will have some value to a contender, even if for a flyer prospect. I think Holt would understand. If they DFA, do they have 10 days to work out a trade or something? Edit: I just noticed how bad Nunez is. Still....he is coming off of surgery. I don't know, maybe he starts to get his sea legs underneath him.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 8, 2018 15:38:46 GMT -5
Holt activated. Lin optioned. Then start him over Nuney. be careful what you wish for. There is a lot of recency bias in Holt's play. Edit - Check that....Nunez is -.6 bWAR. Play Holt until his legs fall off.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 8, 2018 15:46:10 GMT -5
I'm kind of curious how Nunez keeps playing almost every game while Lin wastes away on the bench. I realize Lin wasn't hitting either, but he's ten times the defensive player. Over Nunez' last 10 games, he's hitting .179/.179/.256. Nunez is starting to look like a DFA candidate when Pedroia is back. I mean, Holt has options, I would rather they keep Nunez on the bench until the deadline. He will have some value to a contender, even if for a flyer prospect. I think Holt would understand. If they DFA, do they have 10 days to work out a trade or something? I think the Sox trade Swihart when Pedrioa comes back. The Sox would benefit with having both Nunez and Holt on the bench. Swihart isn't playing, minus well trade him if you're not using him.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 8, 2018 15:51:09 GMT -5
I mean, Holt has options, I would rather they keep Nunez on the bench until the deadline. He will have some value to a contender, even if for a flyer prospect. I think Holt would understand. If they DFA, do they have 10 days to work out a trade or something? I think the Sox trade Swihart when Pedrioa comes back. The Sox would benefit with having both Nunez and Holt on the bench. Swihart isn't playing, minus well trade him if you're not using him. Does he have any value for another GM ?
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Post by Guidas on May 8, 2018 15:53:33 GMT -5
I mean, Holt has options, I would rather they keep Nunez on the bench until the deadline. He will have some value to a contender, even if for a flyer prospect. I think Holt would understand. If they DFA, do they have 10 days to work out a trade or something? I think the Sox trade Swihart when Pedrioa comes back. The Sox would benefit with having both Nunez and Holt on the bench. Swihart isn't playing, minus well trade him if you're not using him. I would trade Swihart and Vazquez to Miami for Realmuto if they’d do it. I think Swihart should be getting Sandy’s reps at the least and actually prefer him over Vazquez. They messed up Swihart and they’re messing him up more by not getting him PT, IMHO.
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Post by jimed14 on May 8, 2018 15:54:26 GMT -5
Nunez is so bad at SS and 2B. He's only playable at 3B and possibly LF though we haven't seen that yet. Plus he's not hitting at all and his complete lack of walks exacerbates that quickly. He's getting to 2015 Hanley in LF bad. I'd trade or DFA Nunez before Swihart.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 8, 2018 16:09:16 GMT -5
Price is out tomorrow. Will not pitch. Being sent to Boston for further tests.
Numbness in his hand again.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 8, 2018 16:12:17 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 8, 2018 16:18:20 GMT -5
At this point you got to wonder if Price is going through TOS syndrome, which is what Thornburg went through and lost the season with. Thornburg had the same numbness in his arm last year too.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 8, 2018 16:27:15 GMT -5
Paging Jalen Beeks. Please report to Boston.
It's no coincidence Price's problems began with that 1 inning stint against NY at Fenway. He hasn't been right since.
How does a guy go from dominating - and Price WAS dominating in Sept and Oct and the first two starts this season - to as bad as he has been? Something obviously wasn't right.
It's certainly more than Raynaud's disease.
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Post by jimed14 on May 8, 2018 16:44:15 GMT -5
It sounds more like Bard's problem.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 8, 2018 16:50:35 GMT -5
It sounds more like Bard's problem. Seems like some injury. Speier noticed a big velocity drop in Price's last start.
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Post by wildsox on May 8, 2018 16:51:42 GMT -5
I wonder if they start considering Harvey with this news?
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