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Post by Guidas on May 20, 2018 13:48:11 GMT -5
That works for man on second.
Go Benni!
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Post by jimed14 on May 20, 2018 13:50:20 GMT -5
I agree that trying to pull everything is a problem with him, but this is not that problem right now. If he can't hit a fastball right down the middle, it doesn't matter where he's trying to hit it. It does matter when your bat is barely, if ever, on plane with the pitch. His current pull swing is not even a good approach for pulling the ball. It's an all or nothing mash the hell out of it cause I'm frustrated approach. If he tries to hit the ball back up the middle then his bat is on lobe longer and gives him more margin for error. It's why JD is so hot right now, he lets the ball travel and is on plane all the way through the zone. You can call it mechanical or you can call it approach. This is JBJs problem and it's easy to change - requires nothing more than attitude and effort... If he makes the change and still looks bad, then I'll feel for him. Until then - yeah - I'm frustrated... I missed his AB - seems he ran into one which probably means a commitment to the oppo field is even further away... The pitch was in on his hands and he hit the ball 107 mph. He shouldn't be trying to inside out the pitch to weakly hit it to LF just to get around a flaw in his swing.
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Post by Guidas on May 20, 2018 13:50:37 GMT -5
As I said, that approach works fine with a man on second. Awesome!
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Post by jimed14 on May 20, 2018 13:51:22 GMT -5
Wow, JDM is ridiculous. 443 feet on that HR.
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Post by danredhawk on May 20, 2018 14:02:19 GMT -5
It does matter when your bat is barely, if ever, on plane with the pitch. His current pull swing is not even a good approach for pulling the ball. It's an all or nothing mash the hell out of it cause I'm frustrated approach. If he tries to hit the ball back up the middle then his bat is on lobe longer and gives him more margin for error. It's why JD is so hot right now, he lets the ball travel and is on plane all the way through the zone. You can call it mechanical or you can call it approach. This is JBJs problem and it's easy to change - requires nothing more than attitude and effort... If he makes the change and still looks bad, then I'll feel for him. Until then - yeah - I'm frustrated... I missed his AB - seems he ran into one which probably means a commitment to the oppo field is even further away... The pitch was in on his hands and he hit the ball 107 mph. He shouldn't be trying to inside out the pitch to weakly hit it to LF just to get around a flaw in his swing. Oh come on - this is not about one pitch or one at bat. JBJ moving his hands is his load. You're the only one who thinks it's a mechanical hitch or flaw. Does he sometimes disconnect his hands from his body in his load? Probably, because everyone does and because he's not a good hitter even when he's having his 'good' seasons. This is about getting back to being adequate. JBJ has always had a long swing. When he hits well he loads just the same but is on plane better and using the whole field. He stays through the zone. Right now his bat is late to the zone and then out of it immediately due to his current huge pull approach. That's the problem. Per YouTube. That includes turning on inside pitches - but does not mean turning on everything. ABs home run is how you pull a pitch and stay on plane. It is so different from JBJs current swing... The problem is the 2B is just as likely to reinforce his bad approach - and the idea he's one slug away from breaking out - as it is to get him going. No matter where the pitch was. Oh well, we disagree... --- Different posters I guess - but I love coming here for all the excuses as to why JBJ, CV and SL (three guys who have never been very good hitters - save some flashes) are right there or unlucky on one hand. And the cut the guy who started the season with a months worth of .874 OPS, because he's had a bad couple of weeks (weird no one wants to mention HRs .189 babip in May like they would for any other hitter?) on the other hand...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 20, 2018 14:10:31 GMT -5
In case anybody doesn't know, JD Martinez is kind of good. And lucky when he's hitting 324 foot HRs. Guess he got luckier in his 2nd HR - the one that went beyond 420 I guess he's still pretty darn good.
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Post by atzar on May 20, 2018 14:18:18 GMT -5
I think Eck was enjoying ERod's performance today, lol.
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Post by kevfc89 on May 20, 2018 14:19:36 GMT -5
I wish our infield defense was good - gave ERod no help today, and he had to throw a lot of unnecessary extra pitches and jams
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Post by Guidas on May 20, 2018 14:20:43 GMT -5
Whew.
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Post by wildsox on May 20, 2018 14:32:56 GMT -5
The pitch was in on his hands and he hit the ball 107 mph. He shouldn't be trying to inside out the pitch to weakly hit it to LF just to get around a flaw in his swing. Oh come on - this is not about one pitch or one at bat. JBJ moving his hands is his load. You're the only one who thinks it's a mechanical hitch or flaw. Does he sometimes disconnect his hands from his body in his load? Probably, because everyone does and because he's not a good hitter even when he's having his 'good' seasons. This is about getting back to being adequate. JBJ has always had a long swing. When he hits well he loads just the same but is on plane better and using the whole field. He stays through the zone. Right now his bat is late to the zone and then out of it immediately due to his current huge pull approach. That's the problem. Per YouTube. That includes turning on inside pitches - but does not mean turning on everything. ABs home run is how you pull a pitch and stay on plane. It is so different from JBJs current swing... The problem is the 2B is just as likely to reinforce his bad approach - and the idea he's one slug away from breaking out - as it is to get him going. No matter where the pitch was. Oh well, we disagree... --- Different posters I guess - but I love coming here for all the excuses as to why JBJ, CV and SL (three guys who have never been very good hitters - save some flashes) are right there or unlucky on one hand. And the cut the guy who started the season with a months worth of .874 OPS, because he's had a bad couple of weeks (weird no one wants to mention HRs .189 babip in May like they would for any other hitter?) on the other hand... I mentioned a few days ago in this thread. Go back and look at highlights of JBJ’s 29 game hitting streak. Many of the hits were line drives opposite field or up the middle. I can’t recall the last time he had a hit like that
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2018 14:33:10 GMT -5
People keep telling me that he's a machine when healthy, I keep seeing a player closer to a low WAR value and seeing that as a sunk cost of 22 million next year. Hanley might cost you a cost effective reliever or two for short years next off-season and that isn't a good thing, especially considering Kimbrel is up. Yeah why would anyone want to pay Hanley Ramirez when you could make a nice safe investment in... bargain bin relievers. That depends on which Hanley we're talking about. Hanley in May (107 PA): .200/.232/,369/.601 wRC+ 54
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2018 14:52:20 GMT -5
Anyone else notice that the in game box score and Gameday box score is showing OPS not BA ?
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Post by patford on May 20, 2018 16:07:11 GMT -5
13 hit shut out has got to be close to a record no ?
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Post by patford on May 20, 2018 16:08:17 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on May 20, 2018 16:17:52 GMT -5
O's were 8/16, 2B with the bases empty, 4/15 with a man on first, and 1/10 with RISP. That's how you pitch a 13-hit shutout.
Meanwhile, we started 0/6, IBB with RISP and ended 0/7, but in between we were 2/2, 2 HR.
A collective 3/25 with RISP.
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Post by terriblehondo on May 20, 2018 16:19:48 GMT -5
It does matter when your bat is barely, if ever, on plane with the pitch. His current pull swing is not even a good approach for pulling the ball. It's an all or nothing mash the hell out of it cause I'm frustrated approach. If he tries to hit the ball back up the middle then his bat is on lobe longer and gives him more margin for error. It's why JD is so hot right now, he lets the ball travel and is on plane all the way through the zone. You can call it mechanical or you can call it approach. This is JBJs problem and it's easy to change - requires nothing more than attitude and effort... If he makes the change and still looks bad, then I'll feel for him. Until then - yeah - I'm frustrated... I missed his AB - seems he ran into one which probably means a commitment to the oppo field is even further away... The pitch was in on his hands and he hit the ball 107 mph. He shouldn't be trying to inside out the pitch to weakly hit it to LF just to get around a flaw in his swing. No the pitch was supposed to be in but it was middle away and he did hit it hard. I thought he should have driven it to left center If it had been in he never would have got to it. If this is the same flaw as before and I would not argue with you about that because it looks similar. You would think he should know how to correct it yes? That is what I don't get. Hyers has not been able to fix it so go back to what he worked out with Rodriguez to fix the issue. If you don't remember, which I find hard to believe give him a call I think he is in Cleveland.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 20, 2018 16:22:38 GMT -5
People keep telling me that he's a machine when healthy, I keep seeing a player closer to a low WAR value and seeing that as a sunk cost of 22 million next year. Hanley might cost you a cost effective reliever or two for short years next off-season and that isn't a good thing, especially considering Kimbrel is up. Yeah why would anyone want to pay Hanley Ramirez when you could make a nice safe investment in... bargain bin relievers. Nope, not bargain bin. Cost effective relievers on short deals. Good value for good production. Rather than overpaying for Hanley for meh production. Example- signing Herrera and Joe Kelly to smaller AAV's (two good relievers) for a lower AAV then Hanley would get.
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Post by ericmvan on May 20, 2018 16:36:25 GMT -5
There have been two of those, in 1913 and 1928.
This is the 11th 13-hit 9-inning shutout in MLB history, the first since 2008.
This is probably better expressed from the O's point of view: The 2018 Orioles are the first team in MLB history to get 13 hits and not ground into a DP and still get shut out. In fact, there were 20 GDPs in the 10 previous games. This one had a record 41 AB.
The 10 SO and 0 BB gives it the best FIP of any such game, to go with the lowest BA allowed.
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Post by Guidas on May 20, 2018 17:12:35 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by ericmvan on May 20, 2018 21:30:03 GMT -5
There have been two of those, in 1913 and 1928.
This is the 11th 13-hit 9-inning shutout in MLB history, the first since 2008.
This is probably better expressed from the O's point of view: The 2018 Orioles are the first team in MLB history to get 13 hits and not ground into a DP and still get shut out. In fact, there were 20 GDPs in the 10 previous games. This one had a record 41 AB.
The 10 SO and 0 BB gives it the best FIP of any such game, to go with the lowest BA allowed.
More simply, they annihilated the record for most AB in a game without scoring a run. 16 teams had had 38 (including 4 with 13+ hits) and four had had 39 (2 with 13 hits). They had 41.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 20, 2018 21:37:10 GMT -5
And on we go - play out the current winning percentage and you get to 110 wins. Going pretty damn well!
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Post by soxfan06 on May 20, 2018 21:46:42 GMT -5
JD Martinez has more HRs in a Red Sox uniform in 44 games than Carl Crawford and Pablo Sandoval did in their time here.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 20, 2018 22:00:57 GMT -5
I think Eck was enjoying ERod's performance today, lol. Pitching to shoes!!
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Post by larrycook on May 20, 2018 23:06:16 GMT -5
Nice win today,
Now that Pomeranz has been pushed back to Atlanta, we have our top three pitchers for Tampa.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 21, 2018 0:03:20 GMT -5
...you might want to worry just as much about Atlanta.
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