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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 26, 2018 16:01:49 GMT -5
Who do we bring up when we put Drew P. on the disabled list? I don't think Poyner has been down long enough. Was Workman been throwing well lately? Maybe Scott? If Pomeranz goes on the DL, then Poyner becomes eligible to be recalled.
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Post by jimed14 on May 26, 2018 16:09:46 GMT -5
Beeks should replace Pomeranz for a start or two. Just so happens that they're pitching on the same days.
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Post by telson13 on May 26, 2018 16:24:08 GMT -5
Beeks should replace Pomeranz for a start or two. Just so happens that they're pitching on the same days. Just came here to say that. Painfully obvious at this point that Pomeranz is not an MLB-caliber pitcher right now
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 26, 2018 16:46:24 GMT -5
The 4th inning is not high leverage no matter who is up. According to conventional wisdom, yes. It was high leverage though. You're making stuff up. Leverage is a function of the inning, as well as the score and the lineup. The further you are from the end of the game the lower the leverage. Bringing in your late inning guys in the fourth behind by just two runs makes little sense.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 26, 2018 17:07:46 GMT -5
Wright still in here. Surprised they haven't gone to Kelly or Barnes yet. You jest, right? They both pitched yesterday and Wright could probably pitch both ends of a doubleheaderif needed. Wil..ber!
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Post by sarasoxer on May 26, 2018 17:13:04 GMT -5
Or at least let Wright go until he puts a baserunner on. Especially against the bottom of the order. Maybe he knew what he was doing. Kelly is like a machine out there. And where oh where are the Kelly haters?? The guy is using a slider and change to fortify the FB...He is very tough. Take away game one and goodness does he even register on the ERA Richter?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 26, 2018 17:45:27 GMT -5
According to conventional wisdom, yes. It was high leverage though. You're making stuff up. Leverage is a function of the inning, as well as the score and the lineup. The further you are from the end of the game the lower the leverage. Bringing in your late inning guys in the fourth behind by just two runs makes little sense. I'm not making stuff up. Acuna and Freeman were up with 2 runners on with 1 out (2 of the best hitters on the Braves). Name another inning that is more higher leverage than that, regardless of what point in the game it is. It was also a tie ballgame at this point. If you bring in a better reliever (and he does a better job than Velazquez, who is way down the depth chart in terms of high leverage), then your putting out the fire to one of the most stressful innings in that game. Again, glad it didn't burn the Sox.
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Post by incandenza on May 26, 2018 19:10:07 GMT -5
You're making stuff up. Leverage is a function of the inning, as well as the score and the lineup. The further you are from the end of the game the lower the leverage. Bringing in your late inning guys in the fourth behind by just two runs makes little sense. I'm not making stuff up. Acuna and Freeman were up with 2 runners on with 1 out (2 of the best hitters on the Braves). Name another inning that is more higher leverage than that, regardless of what point in the game it is. It was also a tie ballgame at this point. If you bring in a better reliever (and he does a better job than Velazquez, who is way down the depth chart in terms of high leverage), then your putting out the fire to one of the most stressful innings in that game. Again, glad it didn't burn the Sox. I'm mostly with pedrofan on this one. The 4th inning in fact had the three highest-leverage ABs of the game for the Braves. And in general I wish managers would be a little more attentive to situation and portion of the batting order that's due up when bringing in relievers. The reasonable counterargument is that it was early in the game so it wasn't yet known if those were "really" high leverage or not. (E.g., the Red Sox could've scored ten runs the rest of the game and then you'd've wasted Kelly in a blow out.) Which, as best I understand it, is why earlier innings are lower leverage, all else being equal. But it did feel high-leverage, and in fact proved to be high-leverage, and so it seems hard to argue too strongly against pedrofan's point.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 26, 2018 19:28:03 GMT -5
Someone please bang my head against the wall. Please someone do it. Let's do this one more time. Let's have another mediocre start with below average stuff and command for Pomeranz.
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Post by danr on May 26, 2018 19:48:36 GMT -5
Someone please bang my head against the wall. Please someone do it. Let's do this one more time. Let's have another mediocre start with below average stuff and command for Pomeranz. Hanley betted 2nd or 3rd until he was DFA'd. Cora doesn't give away what he is trying to do. If Pomeranz doesn't improve soon, a change will be made.
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Post by patford on May 26, 2018 19:53:18 GMT -5
Today Pomeranz was topping out at 85 on his four seam FB and had awful control. Forget command. I was definitely expecting him to take some time to round into form but he hasn't shown any improvement as far as I can tell.
I just saw a report he was up to 92 in the first inning. I guess that is encouraging but when I tuned in (3rd inning) and watched he was only hitting 84-85.
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Post by bosox on May 26, 2018 19:58:56 GMT -5
I'm not making stuff up. Acuna and Freeman were up with 2 runners on with 1 out (2 of the best hitters on the Braves). Name another inning that is more higher leverage than that, regardless of what point in the game it is. It was also a tie ballgame at this point. If you bring in a better reliever (and he does a better job than Velazquez, who is way down the depth chart in terms of high leverage), then your putting out the fire to one of the most stressful innings in that game. Again, glad it didn't burn the Sox. I'm mostly with pedrofan on this one. The 4th inning in fact had the three highest-leverage ABs of the game for the Braves. And in general I wish managers would be a little more attentive to situation and portion of the batting order that's due up when bringing in relievers. The reasonable counterargument is that it was early in the game so it wasn't yet known if those were "really" high leverage or not. (E.g., the Red Sox could've scored ten runs the rest of the game and then you'd've wasted Kelly in a blow out.) Which, as best I understand it, is why earlier innings are lower leverage, all else being equal. But it did feel high-leverage, and in fact proved to be high-leverage, and so it seems hard to argue too strongly against pedrofan's point. For me, I thought the mistake was Cora allowing Pomeranz to start the 4th inning. He didn't have it and then started the 4th - one out and then left the game with two runners on and the heart of the order coming up. I thought either Velazquez or Wright would have started the 4th with a clean inning.
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Post by larrycook on May 26, 2018 20:05:25 GMT -5
Pomeranz’s velocity drop should be very concerning. He is not fooling anybody and struggling to get outs.
Would feel better with Velazquez getting his starts while Pomeranz spends some time on the dl.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 26, 2018 20:12:50 GMT -5
I predicted over a month ago that their would be controversy over Valazquez and a starter getting the call. I hate being right.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 26, 2018 20:25:43 GMT -5
Today Pomeranz was topping out at 85 on his four seam FB and had awful control. Forget command. I was definitely expecting him to take some time to round into form but he hasn't shown any improvement as far as I can tell. I just saw a report he was up to 92 in the first inning. I guess that is encouraging but when I tuned in (3rd inning) and watched he was only hitting 84-85. Yeah I saw him top out at 91 to end the 3rd inning, but he was around 86-89 mph all game. He's not the same pitcher as last year, yet the Sox are treating him like he is with these chances being given over and over again.
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Post by radiohix on May 26, 2018 20:25:54 GMT -5
Mike Trout is Mike Trouting the MFY lol
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 26, 2018 20:34:35 GMT -5
I'm mostly with pedrofan on this one. The 4th inning in fact had the three highest-leverage ABs of the game for the Braves. And in general I wish managers would be a little more attentive to situation and portion of the batting order that's due up when bringing in relievers. The reasonable counterargument is that it was early in the game so it wasn't yet known if those were "really" high leverage or not. (E.g., the Red Sox could've scored ten runs the rest of the game and then you'd've wasted Kelly in a blow out.) Which, as best I understand it, is why earlier innings are lower leverage, all else being equal. But it did feel high-leverage, and in fact proved to be high-leverage, and so it seems hard to argue too strongly against pedrofan's point. For me, I thought the mistake was Cora allowing Pomeranz to start the 4th inning. He didn't have it and then started the 4th - one out and then left the game with two runners on and the heart of the order coming up. I thought either Velazquez or Wright would have started the 4th with a clean inning. This is also a good point. Cora is putting too much faith in a guy that he shouldn't be doing. Might be coming from the front office, but I'm not sure.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 26, 2018 20:35:25 GMT -5
Someone please bang my head against the wall. Please someone do it. Let's do this one more time. Let's have another mediocre start with below average stuff and command for Pomeranz. Hanley betted 2nd or 3rd until he was DFA'd. Cora doesn't give away what he is trying to do. If Pomeranz doesn't improve soon, a change will be made. Unfortunately, not coming soon enough.
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Post by nomar on May 26, 2018 20:43:02 GMT -5
Gotta say, Mookie is having a godly, unsustainable year and the fact that Mike Trout is still keeping up with his pace is truly unbelievable. This guy will never get the respect he deserves. He is prime Tiger or Lebron in a sport where the competition typically is so fierce that there is nobody in their own tier. But here Trout is. I hope Mookie wins MVP this year, but I will do my best not to under appreciate the fact that we’re possibly watching the greatest player in history go at it every night.
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Post by kevfc89 on May 26, 2018 21:15:30 GMT -5
Gotta say, Mookie is having a godly, unsustainable year and the fact that Mike Trout is still keeping up with his pace is truly unbelievable. This guy will never get the respect he deserves. He is prime Tiger or Lebron in a sport where the competition typically is so fierce that there is nobody in their own tier. But here Trout is. I hope Mookie wins MVP this year, but I will do my best not to under appreciate the fact that we’re possibly watching the greatest player in history go at it every night. totally agree...and pretty sure with his performance tonight, Trout will overtake Mookie in fWAR; which is crazy considering what Mookie's done to this point of the season. Trout is just the best, but I'll definitely settle on Mookie being the second best player in baseball
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Post by telson13 on May 26, 2018 21:21:54 GMT -5
Maybe he knew what he was doing. Kelly is like a machine out there. And where oh where are the Kelly haters?? The guy is using a slider and change to fortify the FB...He is very tough. Take away game one and goodness does he even register on the ERA Richter? I was saying that last night. Since that first game his walk rate is well under 3 per 9 (7.1%) and his ERA is...0.38, in 23.2 innings.
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Post by danr on May 26, 2018 21:51:16 GMT -5
Yankees lose! Sox up by 2 games.
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Post by telson13 on May 26, 2018 22:46:13 GMT -5
Someone please bang my head against the wall. Please someone do it. Let's do this one more time. Let's have another mediocre start with below average stuff and command for Pomeranz. Right now he’s a huge drain on the bullpen. His baseline inefficiency is tolerable when he’s putting up 5.1 3 2 2 3 8 or 6 4 1 1 3 7 lines. But right now he’s both inefficient and non-stop laboring. I agree 100% with jimed. Put him in the ‘pen for a game or three. See what Beeks can do against MLB hitters. The odds are very good that he won’t be worse than what Pomeranz has done. The odds are good that he’ll be marginally to moderately better. And given the consistently poor job Pomeranz has done this year, I’d say the odds are fair that Beeks will be roughly as good moving forward. I think it behooves the Sox to figure out what Pomeranz 2018 is, and what Beeks can offer, sooner rather than later. Because with Pomeranz a FA, they may be best served by moving him in a deadline deal to a contender willing to pay for his last two years’ production, discounted for this year of course. Idk...I don’t see the QO criteria being met for a pick with him. That’d mean the Sox get nothing, and if he continues to struggle, it hurts the team. They have at least three guys in Wright, Velazquez, and Beeks who should be eminently capable of pitching better than the 6th-7th starter results Pomeranz is producing. It’s called replacement level for a reason.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 26, 2018 23:00:15 GMT -5
Kimbrel has given up FIVE home runs? That is a lot. Yeap, very homerun prone. It gets a little uncomfortable when Kimbrel comes in to save one run games because of this. I was at the Royals game he blew.... worst loss i’ve been to in years.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 26, 2018 23:02:10 GMT -5
Hopefully that can keep some of our better relievers out of this game. I'm surprised he didn't go with Poyner. I'd be surprised. I think Poyner is in Pawtucket.
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