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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 2, 2018 19:33:16 GMT -5
I count five different posters on page 9 of this thread who imply or say outright that the Red Sox cannot compete with the Astros. Nothing wrong to point out the challenges the team faces, nor to say that the Astros are a marginally better team, but to say we can't compete with them sure seems like some premature despair-wallowing, especially considering the Red Sox actually have a better record than the Astros. I honestly don’t know why the people you’re talking about watch baseball. Baseball is the best game alive. I watch even when the team stinks to high heaven. Only being positive is being ignorant of what my eyes are actually watching however.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 19:34:21 GMT -5
I honestly don’t know why the people you’re talking about watch baseball. Baseball is the best game alive. I watch even when the team stinks to high heaven. Only being positive is being ignorant of what my eyes are actually watching however. But why watch when you already know everything about the season because of a few regular season games?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 19:36:47 GMT -5
Now Price can't contain Houston either. Wonderful. Hes pitching just like Verlander with the opposite luck. And he also doesn’t get the same strike zone as usual.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 2, 2018 19:39:10 GMT -5
Baseball is the best game alive. I watch even when the team stinks to high heaven. Only being positive is being ignorant of what my eyes are actually watching however. But why watch when you already know everything about the season because of a few regular season games? I don't. It's just a honest opinion.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 2, 2018 19:41:35 GMT -5
Now Price can't contain Houston either. Wonderful. Hes pitching just like Verlander with the opposite luck. And he also doesn’t get the same strike zone as usual. Lucky or not, the Sox can't find a way to beat this team and that is the problem. Now the Sox need to score more than 3 runs again to win without Mookie against Verlander.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 19:43:10 GMT -5
But why watch when you already know everything about the season because of a few regular season games? I don't. It's just a honest opinion. If you actually believed that you wouldn’t constantly overreact to regular season games that don’t go our way. I take every single game separately and expect them to have a chance to win every game from game 1 to the last game of the playoffs.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 19:43:59 GMT -5
Hes pitching just like Verlander with the opposite luck. And he also doesn’t get the same strike zone as usual. Lucky or not, the Sox can't find a way to beat this team and that is the problem. Now the Sox need to score more than 3 runs again to win without Mookie against Verlander. They will win plenty given enough games. If you swapped their luck, they could easily sweep them. And if they did, it would still mean absolutely nothing about playoff chances.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 2, 2018 19:46:34 GMT -5
I doubt that there's any pitcher on the Red Sox pitching staff that Pedro won't help. And for the record Ramon Martinez was an excellent pitcher. Some remember him at the end of his career helping the Sox out down the stretch in 1999, but he was trying to come back from an injury from which he never recovered. Prior to that he was the Dodgers ace (after Hershiser). He was really good. At the time it would have been hard to imagine that his skinny little brother who was much smaller could be better, but Pedro wound up being the best. Ted Williams was similar to Pedro. He would even actually give some of the Yankees batters tips because he couldn't stand pitchers. The Astros are a concern but lesser than the Yankees in my opinion because I really think whoever finishes first in the East will probably have the best record in the league. I hope to be wrong but I honestly think the Yankees will have the best record and that the Sox will be in the Wild Card game and that if they win that they will be facing the Yankees so ultimately I think the Yankees are the bigger priority. If I'm wrong and the Sox finish first (great) then the odds are the Sox will have the best record and will wind up playing the Wild Card winner, which most likely would be NY. Either way it's likely NY in the ALDS. If they get past the ALDS, then odds are they'd play Houston in the ALCS, but that's further away and if they get past the Yankees, then it's all gravy anyways. I think if the Sox were to be able to beat NY the momentum could build up as they play Houston (Cleveland wouldn't beat Houston, would they?). You know what? I give the Red Sox the exact same chance in the playoffs whether they swept the Astros or if the Astros swept us for the entire season. It’s totally meaningless. This woe is us crap should stop. With neutral BABIP luck they probably won the last two games. I don’t even care if the Red Sox have to win the Wild Card game. I’m not going to spend 162 games whining about the Yankees and thinking the world will end if the Red Sox miss winning the division after winning 102 games. Life is too short to not enjoy an excellent Red Sox team. I hear you...Enjoy the moment, smell the roses, don't take things too seriously or to heart...Remember...it's just a game...go out on a clear night, stare at the sky and revel in the far greater wonders of the universe...We are ants. But damn I am captive in my earth-bound environment. Winning/celebration/euphoria matters especially against the Yankees. At this point I see the Yanks winning the division based on their lineup up and down, their likely record setting hr totals, their size, their youth, their farm if problems occur and their financial leverage to acquire what is needed. Other than youth, we are outgunned on all scores and likely will be for a while. They have executed a silent coup. In that scenario, should we win a one game wild card, facing the Yanks is a bit forboding...then down our best pitcher. But for me, to say 'what the hey, we had a good team and who cares if we lost to the Yankees again' goes against the primal grain. Can't go there.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 19:49:34 GMT -5
You know what? I give the Red Sox the exact same chance in the playoffs whether they swept the Astros or if the Astros swept us for the entire season. It’s totally meaningless. This woe is us crap should stop. With neutral BABIP luck they probably won the last two games. I don’t even care if the Red Sox have to win the Wild Card game. I’m not going to spend 162 games whining about the Yankees and thinking the world will end if the Red Sox miss winning the division after winning 102 games. Life is too short to not enjoy an excellent Red Sox team. I hear you...Enjoy the moment, smell the roses, don't take things too seriously or to heart...Remember...it's just a game...go out on a clear night, stare at the sky and revel in the far greater wonders of the universe...We are ants. But damn I am captive in my earth-bound environment. Winning/celebration/euphoria matters especially against the Yankees. At this point I see the Yanks winning the division based on their lineup up and down, their likely record setting hr totals, their size, their youth, their farm if problems occur and their financial leverage to acquire what is needed. Other than youth, we are outgunned on all scores and likely will be for a while. They have executed a silent coup. In that scenario, should we win a one game wild card, facing the Yanks is a bit forboding...then down our best pitcher. But for me, to say 'what the hey, we had a good team and who cares if we lost to the Yankees again' goes against the primal grain. Can't go there. But what the hell else can we do other than complain for a possible 100 win season the entire god damn season? I’m sorry that my life is just not that damn miserable that I can enjoy nothing at all.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 2, 2018 19:51:06 GMT -5
Lucky or not, the Sox can't find a way to beat this team and that is the problem. Now the Sox need to score more than 3 runs again to win without Mookie against Verlander. They will win plenty given enough games. If you swapped their luck, they could easily sweep them. And if they did, it would still mean absolutely nothing about playoff chances. Part of the problem is that Houston is a team that doesn't strike out a lot. Their luck is predicated on bat to ball skills that they can create better than the Sox. I'm not going to go further into this and beat a dead horse. You believe what you believe. I think Houston is a little better until the Sox actually figures out how to beat this team. Houston is stacked and they could get even better with the bullpen post trade deadline.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 19:53:17 GMT -5
They will win plenty given enough games. If you swapped their luck, they could easily sweep them. And if they did, it would still mean absolutely nothing about playoff chances. Part of the problem is that Houston is a team that doesn't strike out a lot. Their luck is predicated on bat to ball skills that they can create better than the Sox. I'm not going to go further into this and beat a dead horse. You believe what ypu believe. I think Houston is a little better until the Sox actually figures out how to beat this team. Houston is stacked and they could get even better with the bullpen post trade deadline. And Hosuton’s broadcasters even acknowledged how many more hard hit balls the Red Sox hit that didnt fall in. The Red Sox don’t strike out much either.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 19:56:38 GMT -5
Verlander’s xFIP is 3.50 this year.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 2, 2018 20:16:01 GMT -5
Verlander’s xFIP is 3.50 this year. Meanwhile, his ERA flirting with1968 Bob Gibson territory. True it’s only June, and a man who goes home every night to Kate Hudson will be exhausted by August, but still.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 20:23:21 GMT -5
Verlander’s xFIP is 3.50 this year. Meanwhile, his ERA flirthing with1968 Bob Gibson territory. True it’s only June, and a man who goes home every night to Kate Hudson will be exhausted by August, but still. Sale and Porcello’s xFIP are much better and ERod’s is close.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 2, 2018 20:23:23 GMT -5
Yankees won again. Baltimore just rolling over for them.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 2, 2018 20:24:11 GMT -5
Sox blowin' up Verlander's ERA with that second run.
ADD: Say, what was the statcast on that Moreland screamer that, if there were a just god, would have tied the game?
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Post by wildsox on Jun 2, 2018 20:25:14 GMT -5
The bottom half of our lineup is just to easy outs right now. Especially with Devers struggling
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 2, 2018 20:25:38 GMT -5
Nunez has to beat that out. Helps if he runs.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 2, 2018 20:27:20 GMT -5
Nunez has to beat that out. Helps if he runs. It looked like he stepped on the ball by accident, which I assume would make him be out?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 20:28:28 GMT -5
Sox blowin' up Verlander's ERA with that second run. ADD: Say, what was the statcast on that Moreland screamer that, if there were a just god, would have tied the game? Moreland’s out was 112 mph. This is getting absurd.
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 2, 2018 20:28:29 GMT -5
Nunez has to beat that out. Helps if he runs. It looked like he stepped on the ball by accident, which I assume would make him be out? Yeah, I didn’t see that until they came back from the commercial break. He gets a pass for that.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 2, 2018 20:37:57 GMT -5
Patience grasshopper patience.....
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 20:39:47 GMT -5
The two mistakes that Price gave up to cause all 3 runs were both hit much weaker than about a half dozen Red Sox outs.
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Post by wildsox on Jun 2, 2018 20:40:07 GMT -5
Chipotle gift certificates no longer appeal to Devers. Swinging at everything
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Post by bosox on Jun 2, 2018 20:40:44 GMT -5
Nice outing by Price.
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