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5/31-6/3 Red Sox @ Astros Series Thread
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 1, 2018 21:49:41 GMT -5
Doesn't Cora have some inside information to prevent this kind of stuff.
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Post by bosox on Jun 1, 2018 21:49:53 GMT -5
The Astro's are definitely a team designed for the post season. If they can solidify their bullpen, they'll be hard to beat. The Sox needed their starting pitching to shine this year and there's some questions.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 1, 2018 21:51:09 GMT -5
The Astro's are definitely a team designed for the post season. If they can solidify their bullpen, they'll be hard to beat. The Sox needed their starting pitching to shine this year and there's some questions. Agreed - steady starting pitching - but also less line up holes so they can string things together. We are not nearly there yet - and Pedey and Mookie status is really concerning.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 1, 2018 21:54:50 GMT -5
The Astros have murdered the Sox pitching 3 out of the last 6 games including the postseason.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 1, 2018 21:55:39 GMT -5
there has been some ridiculous hits this game
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 1, 2018 22:22:22 GMT -5
So the Astros have beaten the Sox 5 out of the last 6 games. They have beaten Sale twice in that time. They have also beaten up the Sox bullpen including Kimbrel in 5 out of 6 of these games. The Sox have only scored more than 3 runs I believe once or twice during this 6 game stretch.
I don't know if the Sox are capable of beating the Astros in the playoffs.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 1, 2018 22:34:28 GMT -5
So the Astros have beaten the Sox 5 out of the last 6 games. They have beaten Sale twice in that time. They have also beaten up the Sox bullpen including Kimbrel in 5 out of 6 of these games. The Sox have only scored more than 3 runs I believe once or twice during this 6 game stretch. I don't know if the Sox are capable of beating the Astros in the playoffs. Certainly with Mookie hurt, Pedey hurt, Xander slumping and Devers lost - and our very good but not Houston-level pitching - totally agree. Quite a few things really need to come together for us to be able to compete with the Astros as they are currently playing.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 1, 2018 22:39:17 GMT -5
So the Astros have beaten the Sox 5 out of the last 6 games. They have beaten Sale twice in that time. They have also beaten up the Sox bullpen including Kimbrel in 5 out of 6 of these games. The Sox have only scored more than 3 runs I believe once or twice during this 6 game stretch. I don't know if the Sox are capable of beating the Astros in the playoffs. Certainly with Mookie hurt, Pedey hurt, Xander slumping and Devers lost - and our very good but not Houston-level pitching - totally agree. Quite a few things really need to come together for us to be able to compete with the Astros as they are currently playing. Pedey and Mookie have either been MIA or playing through injuries in all of the 6 games, but Pedrioa might never be 100 percent ever again and Mookie isn't going to stop the Astros from murdering the Sox pitching half the time.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2018 7:29:52 GMT -5
Hope the Sox don't get swept. The pitching matchups certainly don't favor them. None of the 4 pitching matches necessarily favored them. Cole is having a better year than Sale. That's how good Houston's starting pitching is.
Not trying to rekindle the Hanley stuff but this is why I wanted him on the roster. Now the Sox have Betts injured and they're mixing and matching ways to get either Holt, who is needed for Pedroia, Swihart and Nunez at-bats. I'd much rather that Hanley had gotten those ABs, but given that he's gone my preference would be for the Sox to call up Adam Lind - and if he hasn't played in awhile then yeah my plan would have its fly in the ointment - but I like his .800 OPS bat against righties in the lineup even if it forces JDM to his happy place, the outfield.
This is why I don't think Lind is redundant and why I think he's a good acquisition given that Hanley is gone.
Expecting JDM, Betts, JBJ, Moreland, and Benintendi to all stay healthy doesn't make sense and it's important to have roster/lineup depth and you can plug Lind into the lineup against a righty and not downgrade the lineup which has appeared pretty thin lately.
The Sox lineup is top-heavy, but with the uncertainty with Pedroia and the struggles of Devers whose OPS is now below .700, the lack of offense from catching and the question mark of what you will continue to get from JBJ - I hope the results from his timing change are real - it's important to have a guy good enough to play every day that can be on the bench. Glad that Lind is around. I hope they use him if something like an injury pops up or a day of rest is needed.
It's certainly better than adding Sam Travis to the roster, who hasn't even hit at AAA, but is probably getting the call, which also speaks to their lack of depth in the minor leagues.
I'm also at the point I'd rather see Wright get the starts and see if he can turn back into what he was prior to the injury - the 2016 Wright.
And eventually I'd like to see Beeks up, either to get spot starts, but ultimately - if Wright succeeds in the rotation - to be part of the Sox bullpen, in high leverage spots.
I think Kelly, Barnes, and Kimbrel need help before they wear out and if Beeks is an asset in late relief it will help take the pressure off of them. I'd also like to see Poyner up and Brian Johnson gone. Eventually if/when the Sox get another high leverage rental reliever in a deal, I would hope the Sox include Hembree in such a deal, opening up that roster spot. And Velazquez can keep doing what he's doing, but be the primary long man.
Even though he's not technically hurt, I'd also like Pomeranz on the DL, so he can work on things at Pawtucket. The guy never really had a spring training and his velocity is down and he's not sharp with his other pitches.
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Post by p23w on Jun 2, 2018 9:22:33 GMT -5
Hope the Sox don't get swept. The pitching matchups certainly don't favor them. None of the 4 pitching matches necessarily favored them. Cole is having a better year than Sale. That's how good Houston's starting pitching is. Not trying to rekindle the Hanley stuff but this is why I wanted him on the roster. Now the Sox have Betts injured and they're mixing and matching ways to get either Holt, who is needed for Pedroia, Swihart and Nunez at-bats. I'd much rather that Hanley had gotten those ABs, but given that he's gone my preference would be for the Sox to call up Adam Lind - and if he hasn't played in awhile then yeah my plan would have its fly in the ointment - but I like his .800 OPS bat against righties in the lineup even if it forces JDM to his happy place, the outfield. This is why I don't think Lind is redundant and why I think he's a good acquisition given that Hanley is gone. Expecting JDM, Betts, JBJ, Moreland, and Benintendi to all stay healthy doesn't make sense and it's important to have roster/lineup depth and you can plug Lind into the lineup against a righty and not downgrade the lineup which has appeared pretty thin lately. The Sox lineup is top-heavy, but with the uncertainty with Pedroia and the struggles of Devers whose OPS is now below .700, the lack of offense from catching and the question mark of what you will continue to get from JBJ - I hope the results from his timing change are real - it's important to have a guy good enough to play every day that can be on the bench. Glad that Lind is around. I hope they use him if something like an injury pops up or a day of rest is needed. It's certainly better than adding Sam Travis to the roster, who hasn't even hit at AAA, but is probably getting the call, which also speaks to their lack of depth in the minor leagues. I'm also at the point I'd rather see Wright get the starts and see if he can turn back into what he was prior to the injury - the 2016 Wright. And eventually I'd like to see Beeks up, either to get spot starts, but ultimately - if Wright succeeds in the rotation - to be part of the Sox bullpen, in high leverage spots. I think Kelly, Barnes, and Kimbrel need help before they wear out and if Beeks is an asset in late relief it will help take the pressure off of them. I'd also like to see Poyner up and Brian Johnson gone. Eventually if/when the Sox get another high leverage rental reliever in a deal, I would hope the Sox include Hembree in such a deal, opening up that roster spot. And Velazquez can keep doing what he's doing, but be the primary long man. Even though he's not technically hurt, I'd also like Pomeranz on the DL, so he can work on things at Pawtucket. The guy never really had a spring training and his velocity is down and he's not sharp with his other pitches. It is all about pitching match ups. Cole puts the Astros rotation a click above the Red Sox. Ever since Pedro sat down and gave advice to Severino he has shut down the Astros convincingly. To bad we don't have a RHP Dominican on our staff. This is a really good Red Sox team, but playing other good teams like the Astros and Yankees exposes the flaws. Things like Devers defense, Johnson coming in from the bullpen, Xanders range. It all adds up in a tight contest. We will make the playoffs, but unless some things change we will not advance to the WS, perhaps not even the ALCS. Still it will be a good season for the Sabermetric fans. My hope runs with a completely healthy (and rested rotation) come October 1st. I wouldn't mind an injury or two on the Yankees or Astros (like Miggys core issues in 2013) but I think some beneficence from the baseball Gods are in order for this team to bring home the bacon.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 2, 2018 9:46:09 GMT -5
Lol the nationality of the RHP doesn't matter as much p33w. Just because you're right handed and Dominican, that doesn't mean that you're great at baseball.
Even Pedro Martinez had brothers who were right handed pitchers that never made it to the big leagues.
What matters is the talent and the ability to pitch in big situations. This team hasn't shown that they can do it yet against the very best of the competition (especially in the playoffs).
Porcello and Pomeranz have shown to crumble in the playoffs, Price has shown to be inconsistent. Sale is always worn down by the time the playoffs begin. Eduardo has never made it through a whole year fully healthy.
Not to mention that all of a sudden that this team can only put a competitive game with Houston only half the time, while being blown out in the other half they are playing them.
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Post by bosox on Jun 2, 2018 11:21:24 GMT -5
Per Sean McAdam, the Sox have DL'd Pedroia and recalled Bobby Poyner and Travis on his way for Betts.
@sean_McAdam 30s31 seconds ago Red Sox place Dustin Pedroia on 10-day DL (left knee) retroactive to May 30. LHP Bobby Poyner recalled from Pawtucket. Link
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 2, 2018 11:31:47 GMT -5
Per Sean McAdam, the Sox have DL'd Pedroia and recalled Bobby Poyner and Travis on his way for Betts.
@sean_McAdam 30s31 seconds ago Red Sox place Dustin Pedroia on 10-day DL (left knee) retroactive to May 30. LHP Bobby Poyner recalled from Pawtucket. LinkHoo boy.....and Betts is worried that playing now could end his season. I'm fine with Poyner but don't know what happened to Travis...sad. And after I read Pedro's post above, I was looking for the razor.
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Post by bosox on Jun 2, 2018 11:37:39 GMT -5
Per Sean McAdam, the Sox have DL'd Pedroia and recalled Bobby Poyner and Travis on his way for Betts.
@sean_McAdam 30s31 seconds ago Red Sox place Dustin Pedroia on 10-day DL (left knee) retroactive to May 30. LHP Bobby Poyner recalled from Pawtucket. LinkHoo boy.....and Betts is worried that playing now could end his season. I'm fine with Poyner but don't know what happened to Travis...sad. And after I read Pedro's post above, I was looking for the razer. Unfortunately for me, my electric razor will only make things worse. Another concern, is that Nunez may now see more time back at second base. I hope Holt plays there full time. Nunez' defense is terrible at second base.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 2, 2018 12:16:25 GMT -5
Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the amazing Pedey career? That would be sad...he plays with such abandon that I can't see him being happy with going partial intensity.
And 2B...Holt (band aid), Nunez (please, say it ain't so) ....Lin, perhaps? DeJesus (another band aid) - then we are in to Portland and de la Guerra (who couldn't hit at Pawtucket). Trade/signing would be needed to get to where we need to be if Pedey is truly in decline.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 2, 2018 12:23:11 GMT -5
Pedrioa is a big loss and he's only played 3 games. Just depressing stuff here. Hard to stay optimistic when key players are going down, you're about to lose first place to the most hated team in America, and you're getting your butt handed to you by a potential playoff opponent.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 2, 2018 12:46:24 GMT -5
Jed Lowrie would make this team a whole lot better than Nuñez ever could. Too bad the minor league cupboard is bare. He would probably cost Swihart, and you’d still have to find a taker for Nuñez.
Dombrowski went all in, and now we have a very left handed team til Mookie and Pedrioa heal. Devers needs to stop swinging for the fences on every pitch and just look to make contact. He’s up there thinking he’s JD Martinez when he’s looking more and more like Mario Mendoza. Also having such a lefty-heavy rotation works against them when they play Houston and probably NYY and Cleveland. Pomeranz should be sent down until he’s fixed and can throw the FB with control at 91/92 for his whole start (90-100 pitches). He’s broken until he can regain control on that pitch even more so than the velo.
The good news is the nearest other wildcard team is 4 games back, but without Mookie and the staff looking more solid, first place is definitely in peril. The bad news is, any help they need has to come from within. They couldn’t deal for a bag of peanuts with this minor league system right now. No consensus #2 or #1 pitcher at any level and no position prospect that any GM is saying, “I gotta have that guy!”
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Post by radiohix on Jun 2, 2018 13:07:08 GMT -5
2 games losing streak and all hell break loose heh
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 2, 2018 13:07:48 GMT -5
Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the amazing Pedey career? That would be sad...he plays with such abandon that I can't see him being happy with going partial intensity. And 2B...Holt (band aid), Nunez (please, say it ain't so) ....Lin, perhaps? DeJesus (another band aid) - then we are in to Portland and de la Guerra (who couldn't hit at Pawtucket). Trade/signing would be needed to get to where we need to be if Pedey is truly in decline. Yeah on Pedey....nobody wants to think it...no stud in the wings either. Holt has better adhesive than the others you mentioned to be sure but that is not great consolation as we lose that position badly to the Yankees...(as others). The Sox remind me a bit of the Cs. Of course Mookie and Martinez are great talents but the team is as a whole seemingly overachieving (20-17 since the fast start). They are starting to get significant injuries and, by necessity, adopting "next man up". Their tenacity is admirable but there is a pretty big talent dropoff (and no Scary Terry). We have no money to add talent, are not going to trade our core and have nothing of impact in our farm D-league. But Cora appears a baseball Stevens with his seemingly unflappable, intelligent, reasoned demeanor. He'll get the most from the players.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 2, 2018 13:18:16 GMT -5
2 games losing streak and all hell break loose heh How dare we lose to one of the best teams in baseball and defending champions twice in a row without our best player!
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 2, 2018 13:39:15 GMT -5
No question that we have a good MLB team....and will for some time if we can navigate the Price, Sale, Martinez, Mookie financial minefields.
But the focus is always on winning the championship and when we see how we stack up against the best, it's hard to see us equals. True the tendency is to make more of a few Houston losses. Emotions run away with reason both positive and negative. And news of Pedey's demise may be greatly exaggerated. But we have ifs with our starters--catcher, CF, 2b and are saddled with a second string bench/farm plus financial constraints.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 2, 2018 13:49:24 GMT -5
Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the amazing Pedey career? That would be sad...he plays with such abandon that I can't see him being happy with going partial intensity. And 2B...Holt (band aid), Nunez (please, say it ain't so) ....Lin, perhaps? DeJesus (another band aid) - then we are in to Portland and de la Guerra (who couldn't hit at Pawtucket). Trade/signing would be needed to get to where we need to be if Pedey is truly in decline. Yeah on Pedey....nobody wants to think it...no stud in the wings either. Holt has better adhesive than the others you mentioned to be sure but that is not great consolation as we lose that position badly to the Yankees...(as others). The Sox remind me a bit of the Cs. Of course Mookie and Martinez are great talents but the team is as a whole seemingly overachieving (20-17 since the fast start). They are starting to get significant injuries and, by necessity, adopting "next man up". Their tenacity is admirable but there is a pretty big talent dropoff (and no Scary Terry). We have no money to add talent, are not going to trade our core and have nothing of impact in our farm D-league. But Cora appears a baseball Stevens with his seemingly unflappable, intelligent, reasoned demeanor. He'll get the most from the players. They're 22-17 since starting 17-2. 22-17 is itself a 91-win pace. So yes, if you exclude the entire first eighth of the season, in which they played incredibly well, and arbitrarily choose the beginning of a losing streak to begin counting, then they are merely quite good. Another way to look at it: if they "only" play at a 91-win pace the rest of the season, they will end up at 98 wins. And yet another way to look at it: overall the Red Sox are on pace for 109 wins. That is [checks notes] good. Apparently two games has convinced this entire board that the Red Sox aren't competitive with the Astros. This is despite the fact that they, um, have a better record. Granted, without Mookie they probably are the worse team, but if his injury doesn't turn into anything catastrophic then all this doomsaying is just pure eeyoreism.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 2, 2018 14:07:24 GMT -5
2 games losing streak and all hell break loose heh How dare we lose to one of the best teams in baseball and defending champions twice in a row without our best player! And they weren't even overmatched or anything. Till the 8th inning of last night they were one hit away of winning the 2 games. They lost because of some WP strikeout, infield singles etc etc If they had the MFY luck this series would a total different story. This team is very very good but reading the doom and gloom takes here makes you feel like they're the Orioles or something heh
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2018 14:52:11 GMT -5
2 games losing streak and all hell break loose heh How dare we lose to one of the best teams in baseball and defending champions twice in a row without our best player! Yeah, it's pretty brutal. Don't leave any sharp instruments around the forum.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 2, 2018 16:54:50 GMT -5
The first game could have gone either way. The Sox hit a lot of hot smashes right at the defense. That does happen given the vagaries of BABIP. That game could have gone either way.
Did not watch last evening, only saw the box score. Does look as if they kept it close for a while. It figured to be a tough series, what with no Betts, but it is a little early for wrist slashing.
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