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2018 Draft Signing Period
alnipper
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Post by alnipper on Jun 12, 2018 15:24:27 GMT -5
Play Feltman when he is ready.
If Cottam can hit average at the MLB level he'll be worth far more than his signing bonus. Regardless the Sox need catching badly.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 12, 2018 15:35:20 GMT -5
Bonuses we know: 1 Triston Casas $2,552,800 (slot) 2 Nick Decker $1,250,000 (-235,000) 4 Kole Cottam $375,000 (+42,800) 6 Devlin Granberg $40,000 (+201,600) 10 Grant Williams $2,500 (+134,600) 11 Nick Northcut $565,000 (-440,000) *Speier says in his article that the rest of the top ten either signed for slot or below. The overslot signing expenses here ($675,000) essentially cancel out the underslot savings noted here and the 5% overage ($663,950). I think its safest to assume Feltman, Ward, and Durran sign at slot, perhaps Ward comes in a touch under. Brian Brown is another source of significant savings (likely ~134k), and Marrero is possible to sign underslot but I don't think he will take the senior rate discount. My guess is that we will have an additional 200k-250k to improve the signing bonuses for the likes of Machamer, Howlett, et al. (I think Shugart will sign for 125k). |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 12, 2018 15:35:21 GMT -5
Still hoping for Machamer and Ronan to both sign to help fill out the pitchers for this draft. So far its been great!
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 12, 2018 16:56:04 GMT -5
Does pitching in the Cape Cod League generally indicate that a player is not going to sign?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 12, 2018 17:44:38 GMT -5
The Spinners just sent a roster to media that includes Brown, Politi, Ortega, Williams, & Granberg. So those guys can be added to the signed list. I think Politi is the only new guy technically but as a senior was a foregone conclusion.
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Post by quintanariffic on Jun 12, 2018 17:54:08 GMT -5
Does pitching in the Cape Cod League generally indicate that a player is not going to sign? Not really. It's certainly an indication that you haven't signed. And statistically, among all of those who are drafted, I suspect you are less likely to sign if you do in fact play in the CCL the summer after you're drafted. But there's a causality issue there. Those who are most likely to sign usually sign right away. Of those who aren't sure, some will play in the CCL (among other leagues), so you're starting with a pool of draftees who are simply less likely to sign in general, and that's the pool from which the CCL draws for draft-eligible players. |
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Post by mckeonam on Jun 12, 2018 17:54:25 GMT -5
The Spinners just sent a roster to media that includes Brown, Politi, Ortega, Williams, & Granberg. So those guys can be added to the signed list. I think Politi is the only new guy technically but as a senior was a foregone conclusion. When will the roster be available to the public? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 12, 2018 18:25:06 GMT -5
The Spinners just sent a roster to media that includes Brown, Politi, Ortega, Williams, & Granberg. So those guys can be added to the signed list. I think Politi is the only new guy technically but as a senior was a foregone conclusion. When will the roster be available to the public? Not coughourrosterpagecough really coughbutgiveuscoughasecondtoupdateitcough sure. |
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Post by mckeonam on Jun 12, 2018 18:27:14 GMT -5
When will the roster be available to the public? Not coughourrosterpagecough really coughbutgiveuscoughasecondtoupdateitcough sure. Fair enough  hahaha |
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 12, 2018 18:53:34 GMT -5
Updated projections. Fast and furious! Top Ten Rounds (entire amount counts towards bonus cap)Round, Overall Pick, Player, Projected Bonus1 Triston Casas $2,552,800 (reportedly signed for slot, awaiting physical) 2 Nick Decker $1,250,000 (reportedly signed for $1.25M) 3 Durbin Feltman $559,600 (expected to sign soon for slot or under, in Boston to take physical) 4 Kole Cottam $375,000 (expected to sign soon for $375k) 5 Thad Ward $311,800 (expected to sign soon for slot or under) 6 Devlin Granberg $40,000 (reportedly signed for $40k) 7 Jarren Duran $189,900 (expected to sign for slot or under) 8 Elih Marrero $10,000 (expected to sign soon for under slot) 9 Brian Brown $5,000 (reportedly signed) 10 Grant Williams $2,500 (reportedly signed for $2,500) After 10th round, above $125K (first $125,000 does not count towards bonus cap)11 Nick Northcutt $565,000 (expected to sign soon for $565k) 12 Chase Shugart $250,000 (still playing in College WS vs. Arkansas. Game 1 is Sunday) 21 Brandon Howlett $250,000 (expected to sign, bonus unknown) After 10th round, possible $125,000 or less signs (count $0 towards cap) 13 Dylan Hardy (will sign) 15 Andrew Politi (will sign and play at Lowell) 17 Lane Milligan (expected to sign) 18 Eddie Jimenez (likely to sign) 19 Jonathan Ortega (reportedly already signed) 20 Kason Howell (on the fence) 22 Yusniel Padron-Artiles (expected to sign) 23 Ryan Fernandez (expected to sign, go to Lowell) 24 Logan Browning (will sign) 25 Caleb Ramsey (reportedly signed for $125k) 26 Korby Batesole (expected to sign) 27 Gregorio Reyes (reportedly signed) 28 Kris Jackson (expected to sign) 31 Connor Berry 32 Bramdon Perez (expected to sign) 33 Adrian Torres (seems very excited to sign) 35 Jeremiah Boyd (on the fence) Total spent towards cap using these projections: $5,986,500 Red Sox Cap: $5,723,300 Red Sox Cap +5%: (no draft pick penalty): $6,009,465 Projected not to sign14 Nick Lucky (had a change of heart, will be headed to Coastal Carolina) 16 Chris Machamer (unclear, playing in the Cape League ... still in play) 29 Mason Ronan (re-committed to Pitt) 30 Ryan Bliss (will not sign, re-committed to Auburn) 34 Jared Poland (likely headed to Louisville) 36 Jake Dukart (re-committed to Oregon State, will not sign) 37 Davis Wendzel (pllaying in the Cape League, likely headed back to Baylor) 38 Art Joven (will not sign, headed to Bakersfield) 39 Shane Selman ("Draft & Follow", which means likely returning to McNeese State) 40 Zach Watson (headed back to LSU) |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 12, 2018 22:23:41 GMT -5
Anyword on undrafted signings? Last year the Sox actually grabbed a couple of good ones.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 12, 2018 23:55:01 GMT -5
Anyword on undrafted signings? Last year the Sox actually grabbed a couple of good ones. I know that high school undrafted free agent signing are virtually nonexistent, so I'm trying not to get my hopes up that they find another one, because I'm super intrigued by Jecorrah Arnold. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 13, 2018 0:09:17 GMT -5
Mike, I have a spreadsheet I'm using to track this stuff, and I was coming out with a different figure for the allotment given the different slot values. Turns out that's the same figure that MLB has for the Sox: $5,723,300. The 5% overage takes it to slightly above $6 million, so a little more slack. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 13, 2018 4:50:28 GMT -5
Mike, I have a spreadsheet I'm using to track this stuff, and I was coming out with a different figure for the allotment given the different slot values. Turns out that's the same figure that MLB has for the Sox: $5,723,300. The 5% overage takes it to slightly above $6 million, so a little more slack. If you look at the draft page, the individual figures are the same for each slot but the total isn't correct. Yours and MLB match what you get if you manually add the slot values. |
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 13, 2018 7:58:51 GMT -5
Does pitching in the Cape Cod League generally indicate that a player is not going to sign? Not really. It's certainly an indication that you haven't signed. And statistically, among all of those who are drafted, I suspect you are less likely to sign if you do in fact play in the CCL the summer after you're drafted. But there's a causality issue there. Those who are most likely to sign usually sign right away. Of those who aren't sure, some will play in the CCL (among other leagues), so you're starting with a pool of draftees who are simply less likely to sign in general, and that's the pool from which the CCL draws for draft-eligible players. The only player I can recall who did this under the new system, was BC's Donovan Casey last year. I am sure others have, but I can't recall any, its pretty rare, and with the signing date moved up almost 2 weeks, I think that might make it a bit more rare. Casey signed bc the Dodgers had "extra" when a player flunked his physical. That being said, I really like Machamer's upside and remain hopeful. |
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 13, 2018 8:15:49 GMT -5
Do undrafted HS kids get $125k 'free' from the cap, or does it all count since not drafted?
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 13, 2018 8:21:39 GMT -5
Do undrafted HS kids get $125k 'free' from the cap, or does it all count since not drafted? Undrafted players can sign for up to $125K without it counting against the cap, just like picks 11-40. Brendan Nail got $125K after impressing in the Cape League last summer. I don't know if an undrafted FA has ever gotten over the slot limit. |
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 13, 2018 8:28:31 GMT -5
Do undrafted HS kids get $125k 'free' from the cap, or does it all count since not drafted? Undrafted players can sign for up to $125K without it counting against the cap, just like picks 11-40. Brendan Nail got $125K after impressing in the Cape League last summer. I don't know if an undrafted FA has ever gotten over the slot limit. TJ Friedl with the Reds a couple of years back got a hefty bonus. Only one I can think of. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 13, 2018 8:36:04 GMT -5
Undrafted players can sign for up to $125K without it counting against the cap, just like picks 11-40. Brendan Nail got $125K after impressing in the Cape League last summer. I don't know if an undrafted FA has ever gotten over the slot limit. TJ Friedl with the Reds a couple of years back got a hefty bonus. Only one I can think of. Outstanding call, totally forgot that story. Jerry Crasnick had an outstanding walkthrough of it: www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17255032/tj-friedl-strange-journey-signing-undrafted-free-agentLong story short: he had no idea he was draft eligible, so when someone called about his bonus demands he said he was going back to school. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 13, 2018 10:28:45 GMT -5
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 13, 2018 10:32:13 GMT -5
Haha, thanks, ya, that was an odd story for sure, certainly unique circumstances that lead to his larger bonus. He was a well known player, so I don't think there is anyone close to him this year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 13, 2018 10:52:30 GMT -5
That piqued my interest until I read the fine print. |
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Post by navanburd on Jun 13, 2018 11:12:53 GMT -5
Logan Browning - Easily Top 5 Player in D2 this year. Biggest mid-round steal of the draft by the Sox.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 13, 2018 11:21:13 GMT -5
Logan Browning - Easily Top 5 Player in D2 this year. Biggest mid-round steal of the draft by the Sox. Have you seen him play - can you provide a scouting report? Why will he succeed as a professional? And welcome to the board, first-time poster. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 13, 2018 11:29:31 GMT -5
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hahaha
