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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2018 13:11:12 GMT -5
Bud Norris and Roberto Osuna are two rental relievers I want no part of. Frankly, I don't even think they're all that good. I remember reading somewhere that Dombrowski is also trying not to disturb the chemistry of the club or something to that effect.
I don't take reports of Norris or Osuna, well particularly Norris because the reports say the Sox actually inquired about him, too seriously. Norris is the last thing the clubhouse needs, and frankly, he has a long track record of not being that good a pitcher.
Really hope that Washington and/or San Francisco determine themselves as sellers and sell by tomorrow.
I hope the Sox don't get a "contractually controlled" reliever, but if they do, and they pay the immense talent acquisition cost, it does tell you that Kimbrel definitely won't be coming back.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 13:26:15 GMT -5
Haven't heard of Jose Leclerc in any rumors yet until this tweet.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 30, 2018 13:50:46 GMT -5
Another thread taken over with discussion that has nothing to do with the topic. Honestly guys no one cares!! Most of us logon to read the latest about our beloved Sox. When I have to scroll thru pages and pages of back and forth it kills the entire thread for me.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 14:21:46 GMT -5
Another thread taken over with discussion that has nothing to do with the topic. Honestly guys no one cares!! Most of us logon to read the latest about our beloved Sox. When I have to scroll thru pages and pages of back and forth it kills the entire thread for me. To be fair, there's not much to speculate. There's not a lot of rumors out there. Probably will get a lot of action maybe tonight and into tomorrow.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2018 14:22:53 GMT -5
Haven't heard of Jose Leclerc in any rumors yet until this tweet. Leclerc might have great stuff, but his walk rates are flat-out scary. I wouldn't sacrifice my farm system for pitchers with that big a question mark.
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 30, 2018 14:56:16 GMT -5
Another thread taken over with discussion that has nothing to do with the topic. Honestly guys no one cares!! Most of us logon to read the latest about our beloved Sox. When I have to scroll thru pages and pages of back and forth it kills the entire thread for me. Agree
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 30, 2018 15:09:32 GMT -5
The thing with Leclerc is that he's signed through 2022 and he's only 24. We've had talk this year about guys like Ty Buttrey or Travis Lakins being future shutdown options in the bullpen. Well, Leclerc is six months younger than Buttrey and seven months older than Lakins, he's signed through 2022, and his control has improved a lot this year (though still not where you'd want it to be). So if you're trading for him to be like the fifth option this year and believe he can be a closer in the future then it might make sense.
Of course, given the above info, you'd wonder why the Rangers would be interested in trading him, right?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 15:12:05 GMT -5
Don't expect Iglesias to come to Boston. Sounds like they would want Devers or two top 5 prospects.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 15:24:47 GMT -5
The thing with Leclerc is that he's signed through 2022 and he's only 24. We've had talk this year about guys like Ty Buttrey or Travis Lakins being future shutdown options in the bullpen. Well, Leclerc is six months younger than Buttrey and seven months older than Lakins, he's signed through 2022, and his control has improved a lot this year (though still not where you'd want it to be). So if you're trading for him to be like the fifth option this year and believe he can be a closer in the future then it might make sense. Of course, given the above info, you'd wonder why the Rangers would be interested in trading him, right? You would think they're just moving Deikman and Kela, but with everyone tweeting that the Rangers want to make it a priority to trade relievers, you have to wonder if Declerc is actually available at a reasonable price.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 30, 2018 15:42:16 GMT -5
@jonmorosi Sources: #Rangers, #Braves have discussed Adrian Beltre in trade talks; extent of progress is unclear. @sullivan_Ranger reports Beltre is more inclined to approve deals to #RedSox, #Astros and possibly #Indians. Our full story: (link: www.mlb.com/news/adrian-beltre-trade-talk/c-288068032?tid=282421090) mlb.com/news/adrian-be… @mlb @mlbnetwork Alright Davey boy, go get him!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 15:46:36 GMT -5
@jonmorosi Sources: #Rangers, #Braves have discussed Adrian Beltre in trade talks; extent of progress is unclear. @sullivan_Ranger reports Beltre is more inclined to approve deals to #RedSox, #Astros and possibly #Indians. Our full story: (link: www.mlb.com/news/adrian-beltre-trade-talk/c-288068032?tid=282421090) mlb.com/news/adrian-be… @mlb @mlbnetwork Alright Davey boy, go get him! There's that tweet, but then there's this. Beltre doesn't want to become a part-time player in his final few months. He would be that if he came here.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 15:48:33 GMT -5
Not Sox related, but at least it isn't the Yankees that are most heavily involved with Archer.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 15:52:20 GMT -5
Indians might push hard for Dozier, which might hurt the Sox chances of landing him.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 15:55:11 GMT -5
Padres might be asking for the moon. Osuna has legal ramifications to deal with. No one will trade for him knowing that.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 30, 2018 15:57:32 GMT -5
@jonmorosi Sources: #Rangers, #Braves have discussed Adrian Beltre in trade talks; extent of progress is unclear. @sullivan_Ranger reports Beltre is more inclined to approve deals to #RedSox, #Astros and possibly #Indians. Our full story: (link: www.mlb.com/news/adrian-beltre-trade-talk/c-288068032?tid=282421090) mlb.com/news/adrian-be… @mlb @mlbnetwork Alright Davey boy, go get him! There's that tweet, but then there's this. Beltre doesn't want to become a part-time player in his final few months. He would be that if he came here. Sounds like he really wants to win the World Series though.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 30, 2018 15:58:11 GMT -5
Indians might push hard for Dozier, which might hurt the Sox chances of landing him. Your reading to deep into that.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 30, 2018 15:59:20 GMT -5
@jonmorosi Context on Adrian Beltre trade talks: He is 39. Full no-trade clause. He likely will prioritize team that has best chance to win World Series and/or place where he has familiarity. He played for #RedSox, for Terry Francona (#Indians), for Theo Epstein (#Cubs). @mlb @mlbnetwork
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Post by telson13 on Jul 30, 2018 16:00:26 GMT -5
I’d love to see a deal for Ziegler and Castro except he makes 11 Million per year so that wouldn’t happen. If you're going to blow by the 237 line why not? Certainly not my first or even second choice at this point. Thing is if the Marlins are all about dumping money and lets be frank they usually are. You might get those two for almost nothing. Ziegler is pitching lights out the last two months and Castro is just very consistent with his worst month he still hit .260 and he's hitting .307 .361 .455 .815 in July. It could be just the type of cheap upgrade we need. I’m not enamored of Ziegler although he’s been on a roll. I agree with you that Castro would be a solid addition (I agree re: isoD/BA over isoP/SLG) and his defense a big upgrade. If they took Nunez back even better.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 16:01:22 GMT -5
Indians might push hard for Dozier, which might hurt the Sox chances of landing him. Your reading to deep into that. Any competition for Dozier really knocks the Sox chances of landing him really. Just something to keep an eye on.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 30, 2018 16:10:30 GMT -5
Taking two steps back, I HAVE NEVER SAID DOZIER HAS PLAYED BETTER THIS YEAR. I don't see race. I see ballplayers and effort and talent. Pedro Martinez isn't a gamer sir because he had a peak year in 1999. Pedro Martinez is a gamer because he pitched in one of the best playoff games in Sox history in Game 5 of the 1999 ALDS against the Indians on a injury that he said could have ended his career. He pitched backwards with down velocity and beat one of the most impressive lineups of all time in that game. He then went on to beat Rodger Clemens (a white guy) convincingly in the only win for the Sox in the ALCS. Castro is a enigma who has been dumped by two teams. None of this is about race. But you're falling into the casual, lazy tropes. The White Fellow TM tries harder and is gritty. The Dominican Fellow TM is enigmatic and lazy and doesn't get the most out of his talent. The Legend TM, who is no longer active, transcends those labels. It may be true in the cases of specific individuals (Castro works his tail off, for what it's worth, so I think you're off here), but your use of racially-charged language to label them isn't cool and you got called out on it. I legitimately think you didn't know that "gamer" is/was racially-charged because you've been posting for awhile and I know you aren't a racist. That's why I'm letting you know. Sometimes we just don't realize the language that we use is bad. I derisively referred to someone as "Cadillac-ing" a couple years ago without knowing the background. It happens. Thinking Dozier is a better fit than Castro is fine, though based on age and recent performance I disagree that he's a better player. I kinda cringed at you first response because it seemed overblown, but I really thought this was an insightful and even-handed followup, and I appreciated the initial reaction a lot more for it. Kudos James.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 16:16:01 GMT -5
Nationals front office is a mess, and rental relievers are available apparently. Ironic that they want more for Herrera with less control than when they acquired him with a month ago.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2018 16:18:01 GMT -5
Your reading to deep into that. Any competition for Dozier really knocks the Sox chances of landing him really. Just something to keep an eye on it. I like Dozier but they could also probably land Kinsler via waivers if need be. I also like Beltre as well and think he'd be a good fit. I'd actually like both but it would be a tricky fit for both to be on the roster. You figure eventually the Sox get a reliever in a deal so they'll wind up optioning Velazquez who they barely use now that they have Johnson in the pen (or Pomeranz if he winds up there with Johnson starting). So that's 12 pitchers. That means 4 subs. Say the Sox the heck with it, spend the money and they get Beltre and Dozier. So with Devers on the DL for another 9 days and say Dozier is the starting 2b, that means Holt, Swihart, Nunez, and Pearce are the bench. Ok. That works. But once Devers comes back, they'd have to dump Nunez, which I doubt they would do. The only other option would be to option Devers for about 3 weeks and bring him on 9/1. Which might not be a terrible idea, although I'd worry about him taking it as a demotion. Maybe they can see it as a rehabbing thing, but I don't know. If they can only go with one, it might have to be the 2b. Holt has kind of slumped off and Nunez is actually hitting better, but his defense is still his defense. I'd guess they'd upgrade 2b over 3b, but they might just hang tight, perhaps get Beltre, and see where they are in Aug and perhaps get Kinsler. I don't why but I don't have a strong feeling that Dozier will wind up on the Sox. I don't really have any feeling as to where Beltre will wind up. Maybe Houston if they move Bregman to LF? And push Reddick to RF and move Marwin Gonzalez around?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 16:19:25 GMT -5
Wow Houston acquired the worst guy in the league perhaps. Roberto Osuna.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2018 16:22:58 GMT -5
Nationals front office is a mess, and rental relievers are available apparently. Ironic that they want more for Herrera with less control than when they acquired him with a month ago. I saw that. I think if the Nationals want to dump some salary, then they're going to have to take some reality pills and quickly. I hope the Sox can talk them down on Herrera. Madson has struggled some this year but his FIP is reasonably decent and his track record is long and good. Kelley has nice peripherals but my God, he can't keep the ball in the ballpark. His HR/9 rates are bad and have always been bad.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 16:23:26 GMT -5
Wow Houston acquired the worst guy in the league perhaps. Roberto Osuna. Ken Giles headed back to Toronto
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