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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 25, 2018 8:06:16 GMT -5
Took a morning look at our active roster - just a quick impression where we are currently weakest/most vulnerable.
Not hard to see it is C and 2B for positional players - time for Swihart to get more C reps. Holt slumping doesn't help in sharing time with Nunez.
For pitching, lots of starters listed, but Pomeranz (obvious), Price (which Price do we get?) - and VelazquezJohnson - not a weakness, but some iffy going on there.
Kelly, Hembree, Workman, Thornburg, Brasier - a real mix of slumping/inconsistency/lower level talent/still working their way back.
The team plays hard, and with heart. It's fun to watch. Cora seems to be the real deal. Will it all be enough?
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Post by art on Jul 25, 2018 8:15:25 GMT -5
They should have kept Pomeranz on rehab until his velocity got better. Before Rodriguez got hurt Cora said Pomeranz would stay on rehab until he showed that he was back to form. His one decent game at Pawtucket hardly showed that. Now they're going to try to let him get back to form by losing games that count.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 25, 2018 8:25:46 GMT -5
They should have kept Pomeranz on rehab until his velocity got better. Before Rodriguez got hurt Cora said Pomeranz would stay on rehab until he showed that he was back to form. His one decent game at Pawtucket hardly showed that. Now they're going to try to let him get back to form by losing games that count. If Wright or Rodriguez are healthy, he probably does get more rehab time. The problem is that Pomeranz at 85% is probably as good as any other option, and doesn't mess up anyone else's development or trade value. Also, working Pomeranz back in by showing confidence in him while they have a decent lead built up in the division isn't a terrible play. Also, too - Joe Kelly did a lot more to lose that game than Pomeranz did, and is very quickly becoming unusable.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 25, 2018 8:28:11 GMT -5
It seemed like a good idea at the time, since the Orioles are the worst team in the MLB, to bring Pomeranz back and ease him in. But it is now evident Pomeranz is just terrible and he is 0-2 against one of the worst teams in decades.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 25, 2018 8:42:23 GMT -5
I honestly think that Nunez has done more damage in that inning than Joe Kelly: * Couldn't catch a perfectly fine throw from Swihart to get Davis trying to steal 2nd (that would've been the second out) * Didn't cover 2nd for the easy forceout and easily a potential double play (the catcher was running). Just DFAing the guy would be the biggest addition at the trade deadline.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 25, 2018 9:06:06 GMT -5
I honestly think that Nunez has done more damage in that inning than Joe Kelly: * Couldn't catch a perfectly fine throw from Swihart to get Davis trying to steal 2nd (that would've been the second out) * Didn't cover 2nd for the easy forceout and easily a potential double play (the catcher was running). Just DFAing the guy would be the biggest addition at the trade deadline. Yeah, that's a really fair point. Kelly brought a lot on himself with the two walks, but definitely would've gotten out of it with a modicum of help. The Red Sox being 71-32 with a starter being as bad as Nunez has been is really incredible. Usually teams that good don't have such an obvious hole.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 25, 2018 9:46:50 GMT -5
Yeah we lost the game..but there was something kind of artistic going on at the end of that game last night. The boys fought hard and lost on a hard shot after getting some soft hit luck, the rain on the field at night made for an unusual visual, there was disharmony in this thread. It was an interesting intersection of energies.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2018 11:35:02 GMT -5
I can't wait until Dave Dombrowski ticks off half the message board in a week. I'll have the popcorn ready. Ah, proof that you are a troll. I knew it. I'm not a troll, and it's already happening.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 11:44:34 GMT -5
Ah, proof that you are a troll. I knew it. I'm not a troll, and it's already happening. If you're happy that people are angry, you're no better than a troll.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2018 11:52:55 GMT -5
I'm not a troll, and it's already happening. If you're happy that people are angry, you're no better than a troll. After getting snark for pointing out the Sox need a starter, the Sox immediately pick up a starter the next day. There's that. I contribute to this site donations wise (which I'll be doing again in a week) and information wise to the best I can. I wanted the Sox to go after a lesser starter and save the top 10 prospects, but I trust Dave's evaluations at the big league level.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 11:55:37 GMT -5
If you're happy that people are angry, you're no better than a troll. After getting snark for pointing out the Sox need a starter, the Sox immediately pick up a starter the next day. There's that. I contribute to this site donations wise (which I'll be doing again in a week) and information wise to the best I can. I wanted the Sox to go after a lesser starter and save the top 10 prospects, but I trust Dave's evaluations at the big league level. I hope you're angry about something in the future as well. /facepalm
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2018 11:58:04 GMT -5
After getting snark for pointing out the Sox need a starter, the Sox immediately pick up a starter the next day. There's that. I contribute to this site donations wise (which I'll be doing again in a week) and information wise to the best I can. I wanted the Sox to go after a lesser starter and save the top 10 prospects, but I trust Dave's evaluations at the big league level. I hope you're angry about something in the future as well. /facepalm I'm never really angry, I think the snark is unnecessary. The only thing I bring up is list of concerns on the Sox. I hate to say it, but the Sox needed a starter. They couldn't keep doing what they're doing with Pomeranz this year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2018 12:24:33 GMT -5
I wonder who goes on the 25 man roster when Eovaldi is activated. My money is on Workman and Cuevas is outrighted off the 40 man roster, but the Sox could just DFA Pomeranz and/or Nunez.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2018 12:31:18 GMT -5
I wonder who goes on the 25 man roster when Eovaldi is activated. My money is on Workman and Cuevas is outrighted off the 40 man roster, but the Sox could just DFA Pomeranz and/or Nunez. Eovaldi's place on the 40 man will be him replacing Beeks so no outright of Cuevas is required. OTOH, no idea who gets optioned. Either Workman or Brasier? Neither one deserve it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2018 12:34:14 GMT -5
I wonder who goes on the 25 man roster when Eovaldi is activated. My money is on Workman and Cuevas is outrighted off the 40 man roster, but the Sox could just DFA Pomeranz and/or Nunez. Eovaldi's place on the 40 man will be him replacing Beeks so no outright of Cuevas is required. OTOH, no idea who gets optioned. Either Workman or Brasier? Neither one deserve it. Ohh yeah, duh. The 40 man roster spot is already replaced. Thanks for reminding me. I'd just DFA Pomeranz and/or Nunez see if the Sox can work out a trade or someone claims them.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 25, 2018 13:59:24 GMT -5
I didn't realize that a whole bunch of teams were playing today. The Yankees just lost 3-2 to the Rays.
I love how the Rays had Romo finish the 8th, then had Venters lead off the 9th against Bird, and put Romo at 3B so that he could pitch the rest of the 9th. I've only typically seen that in the NL. I remember Lou Piniella did that with the Cubs once.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 25, 2018 14:06:03 GMT -5
I didn't realize that a whole bunch of teams were paying today. The Yankees just lost 3-2 to the Rays. I love how the Rays had Romo finish the 8th, then had Venters lead off the 9th against Bird, and put Romo at 3B so that he could pitch the rest of the 9th. I've only typically seen that in the NL. I remember Lou Piniella did that with the Cubs once. ...and thats not the first time they have done that this year. It makes for an interesting box score with Venters getting the hold in the final line.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 25, 2018 14:12:20 GMT -5
By my count, the Rays are 5-1 against the Yanks in games designed for their bullpen/long-relief strategy.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 25, 2018 14:17:39 GMT -5
By my count, the Rays are 5-1 against the Yanks in games designed for their bullpen/long-relief strategy. circus-like fad that nobody else would ever use and disrespects the game.FTFY.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2018 14:29:00 GMT -5
Never said it disrespects anything. Your words.
Happy that the Yankees lost.
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Post by danr on Jul 25, 2018 15:52:47 GMT -5
It would make the most sense to put Pomeranz back on the DL.
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Jul 25, 2018 16:49:08 GMT -5
I hope you're angry about something in the future as well. /facepalm I'm never really angry, I think the snark is unnecessary. The only thing I bring up is list of concerns on the Sox. I hate to say it, but the Sox needed a starter. They couldn't keep doing what they're doing with Pomeranz this year. I don’t think you’re ever angry. I tend to disagree with many of your arguments, but I appreciate hearing differing opinions. But my respectful — not at all meant as a criticism— observation is that you’re prone towards excessive, somewhat dogmatic pessimism. And I get it: we’re talking about the Red Sox after all. After all the kick in the balls we’ve suffered collectively as a fan base it’s understandable. However, this tendency can at times obfuscate some of your more thoughtful, constructive points.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 25, 2018 16:58:31 GMT -5
Been planning on going Monday and Tuesday for months.Brother and his kids visiting from Cali. All Sox fans. Looks like you and your fam got to go to both games assuming you withstood any rain delays!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2018 17:25:52 GMT -5
I'm never really angry, I think the snark is unnecessary. The only thing I bring up is list of concerns on the Sox. I hate to say it, but the Sox needed a starter. They couldn't keep doing what they're doing with Pomeranz this year. I don’t think you’re ever angry. I tend to disagree with many of your arguments, but I appreciate hearing differing opinions. But my respectful — not at all meant as a criticism— observation is that you’re prone towards excessive, somewhat dogmatic pessimism. And I get it: we’re talking about the Red Sox after all. After all the kick in the balls we’ve suffered collectively as a fan base it’s understandable. However, this tendency can at times obfuscate some of your more thoughtful, constructive points. Thanks for making me look up obfuscate. I'm positive a lot, but it gets overlooked a lot because people always stress on the negative. I guess that's what gets people worked up. I'm enjoying this year as much as anyone.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 25, 2018 17:46:30 GMT -5
I honestly think that Nunez has done more damage in that inning than Joe Kelly: * Couldn't catch a perfectly fine throw from Swihart to get Davis trying to steal 2nd (that would've been the second out) * Didn't cover 2nd for the easy forceout and easily a potential double play (the catcher was running). Just DFAing the guy would be the biggest addition at the trade deadline. Yeah, that's a really fair point. Kelly brought a lot on himself with the two walks, but definitely would've gotten out of it with a modicum of help. The Red Sox being 71-32 with a starter being as bad as Nunez has been is really incredible. Usually teams that good don't have such an obvious hole. Furthermore (I just watched the highlights, if you can call them that), ball 4 to Davis was actually a good high strike. It was a pitch that Davis knew he couldn't hit, he gambled by taking it, and got rewarded.
There are games every year that you're going to lose by crap luck. Pomeranz had success last year sitting at 91, he has a great start in AAA at the same velo and starting him against Bal makes perfect sense, and he should be amped given his next contract is on the line starting now. And he comes out at 88.5, worst velo of the year, with shaky command. What? Were the couple in the next hotel room keeping him up all night, playing Fortnite? Does rain make him sad?
Kelly comes in and gives up one legit and one questionable BB, an infield hit (which indeed should have been a forceout) and a seeing-eye grounder and his inherited runner scores on a bloop. Mookie ends it with a rocket hit on one hop at a fielder for a GDP. You shake your head and move on.
Oh, and trade for the best rental starter on the market to replace your disappointment.
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