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Post by danredhawk on Jul 24, 2018 20:08:44 GMT -5
I don't see the need to go out and grab a starter, just yet. We still have 4 quality starters and we likely to win over 100 games. I would much rather get a bullpen arm. For Pete's sake....this team has won damn near 70% of their games. It wasn't because we had 4 great starts out of every turn in the rotation. Chillax !!! I agree. It makes no makes to me to trade for a back of the roatation piece just to get a starter. If the Red Sox play .500 the rest of the way they'll win 101 games. The only way it makes sense to get a starter is if they can land a top-end guy and that's probably not happening. They don't need another starter for regular season purposes, so unless you think it's a notable playoff upgrade (at which point 2018 Pomeranz likely becomes a moot point) there should be other priorities... I expect ERod to be OK, if he's not than maybe that changes things, maybe not...
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Post by incandenza on Jul 24, 2018 20:09:24 GMT -5
We've gotten this far without any contribution whatsoever from Pomeranz, and we're on pace for 112 wins. And I, like most of us I think, was basically expecting nothing from him anyway. A bad start from him is not reason to go out and get a starter who probably wouldn't crack the postseason rotation anyway.
The only question is if Rodriguez's injury turns out to be worse than expected. No reason not to wait until the last minute to make that judgment.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2018 20:10:04 GMT -5
I don't see the need to go out and grab a starter, just yet. We still have 4 quality starters and we likely to win over 100 games. I would much rather get a bullpen arm. For Pete's sake....this team has won damn near 70% of their games. It wasn't because we had 4 great starts out of every turn in the rotation. Chillax !!! You need 5 starters Jerry. The only other viable option right now is Velazquez, and he isn't even stretched out right now. They need to get someone, *anyone* else. Everyone was bashing Fiers, but he's a improvement over Pomeranz right now. The Eduardo Rodriguez injury was huge and it's already looking like it cost the Sox a game in the standings.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 24, 2018 20:11:31 GMT -5
we shouldn't rush to get a starter, but we also shouldn't let Pomeranz pitch every 5 days. Idk what you do about his spot though, not ideal to have Johnson and Velazquez in the rotation at the same time.
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Post by danredhawk on Jul 24, 2018 20:15:09 GMT -5
I don't see the need to go out and grab a starter, just yet. We still have 4 quality starters and we likely to win over 100 games. I would much rather get a bullpen arm. For Pete's sake....this team has won damn near 70% of their games. It wasn't because we had 4 great starts out of every turn in the rotation. Chillax !!! You need 5 starters Jerry. The only other viable option right now is Velazquez, and he isn't even stretched out right now. They need to get someone, *anyone* else. Everyone was bashing Fiers, but he's a improvement over Pomeranz right now. The Eduardo Rodriguez injury was huge and it's already looking like it cost the Sox a game in the standings. They're fine. They're going to cruise to the play-offs with what they have. And before you bring up the wild card game - no acquisition is going to be pitching that night (if necessary). Unless they're getting a top end starter to pitch ahead of Price/Porcello it's not at all a need it's a luxury/want... Getting a similar pitcher because you're tired of their back-end now does nothing except change the name of the pitcher you'll be railing on later on the season...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 24, 2018 20:18:05 GMT -5
If the Sox are the only team willing to exceed the cap, they will be playing with all the cards during the waiver trade period. If ERod is questionable, I wouldn't expect the Sox to go after a back of the rotation starter, I'd expect them to go after a top of the rotation bigger bucks type guy.
Thornburg and Brasier are more than making up for Kelly. Hembree has also been on a roll.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 24, 2018 20:20:10 GMT -5
I don't see the need to go out and grab a starter, just yet. We still have 4 quality starters and we likely to win over 100 games. I would much rather get a bullpen arm. For Pete's sake....this team has won damn near 70% of their games. It wasn't because we had 4 great starts out of every turn in the rotation. Chillax !!! You need 5 starters Jerry. The only other viable option right now is Velazquez, and he isn't even stretched out right now. They need to get someone, *anyone* else. Everyone was bashing Fiers, but he's a improvement over Pomeranz right now. The Eduardo Rodriguez injury was huge and it's already looking like it cost the Sox a game in the standings. Only need a 5th starter for 3 games in Aug. None in Sept w all those extra arms Take a pass on giving up prospects
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2018 20:20:18 GMT -5
I mean, unless the MFY's sign a TOR guy, we will have a decided starter advantage the rest of the way. Their move for Britton is telling. They will have a big advantage against us in the bullpen.
They are our only competition at this point. All of DD's moves should be made in accordance to corresponding movements against their tactics. If we can find a way to win even 6 of the remaining games against them, the division is basically over, barring major injuries or underperformance.
It is that simple at this point in the season.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2018 20:23:37 GMT -5
If the Sox are the only team willing to exceed the cap, they will be playing with all the cards during the waiver trade period. If ERod is questionable, I wouldn't expect the Sox to go after a back of the rotation starter, I'd expect them to go after a top of the rotation bigger bucks type guy. Thornburg and Brasier are more than making up for Kelly. Hembree has also been on a roll. I respect that, but Thronburg and Brasier are 2 guys who have basically not thrown for the pvs 2 years. That can be good, I admit, but it is risky.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 24, 2018 20:23:43 GMT -5
That decision will likely hang on ERod's evaluation in a few days. We need a second baseman much more than we need a reliever. Have you seen Joe Kelly pitch lately ? That is why the MFY's are going after another bullpen arm now. The market has already been established, and starters either aren't available or too expensive. I don't agree with 2nd base. Phillips, Nunez, Holt, Pedroia, one or a mix of those options should be good enough. Huh? Núñez is garbage, Pedroia might not come back and Phillips is 50 years old. Holt is OK off the bench but would be exposed as a starter.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2018 20:26:24 GMT -5
Have you seen Joe Kelly pitch lately ? That is why the MFY's are going after another bullpen arm now. The market has already been established, and starters either aren't available or too expensive. I don't agree with 2nd base. Phillips, Nunez, Holt, Pedroia, one or a mix of those options should be good enough. Huh? Núñez is garbage, Pedroia might not come back and Phillips is 50 years old. Holt is OK off the bench but would be exposed as a starter. Ham and Eggs and a little baseball randomness can go a long way, baby !!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 24, 2018 20:33:14 GMT -5
Huh? Núñez is garbage, Pedroia might not come back and Phillips is 50 years old. Holt is OK off the bench but would be exposed as a starter. Ham and Eggs and a little baseball randomness can go a long way, baby !! Holt OPS by month: Mar/Apr .920 May .708 June .738 July .569
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2018 20:38:04 GMT -5
Ham and Eggs and a little baseball randomness can go a long way, baby !! Holt OPS by month: Mar/Apr .920 May .708 June .738 July .569 2 walks and a seeing eye single this inning.........
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 24, 2018 20:39:24 GMT -5
Phantom DL Joe Jelly right now, he's a legendary great guy and he doesn't deserve this.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 24, 2018 20:45:28 GMT -5
Joe Kelly has been unreliable for quite some time now.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 24, 2018 20:47:21 GMT -5
Have you seen Joe Kelly pitch lately ? That is why the MFY's are going after another bullpen arm now. The market has already been established, and starters either aren't available or too expensive. I don't agree with 2nd base. Phillips, Nunez, Holt, Pedroia, one or a mix of those options should be good enough. Huh? Núñez is garbage, Pedroia might not come back and Phillips is 50 years old. Holt is OK off the bench but would be exposed as a starter. Swihart at 2B?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2018 20:48:03 GMT -5
Huh? Núñez is garbage, Pedroia might not come back and Phillips is 50 years old. Holt is OK off the bench but would be exposed as a starter. Swihart at 2B? Interesting !!
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 24, 2018 20:50:02 GMT -5
Just can’t say enough bad things about the effort from Pomeranz and Kelly tonight.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2018 20:50:58 GMT -5
Phantom DL Joe Jelly right now, he's a legendary great guy and he doesn't deserve this. Joe Jelly is too funny, dude. i hate laughing at it though.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2018 20:51:02 GMT -5
I don't see the need to go out and grab a starter, just yet. We still have 4 quality starters and we likely to win over 100 games. I would much rather get a bullpen arm. For Pete's sake....this team has won damn near 70% of their games. It wasn't because we had 4 great starts out of every turn in the rotation. Chillax !!! You need 5 starters Jerry. The only other viable option right now is Velazquez, and he isn't even stretched out right now. They need to get someone, *anyone* else. Everyone was bashing Fiers, but he's a improvement over Pomeranz right now. The Eduardo Rodriguez injury was huge and it's already looking like it cost the Sox a game in the standings. Good thing is the Red Sox have way more than 5 starters already.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2018 21:01:55 GMT -5
You need 5 starters Jerry. The only other viable option right now is Velazquez, and he isn't even stretched out right now. They need to get someone, *anyone* else. Everyone was bashing Fiers, but he's a improvement over Pomeranz right now. The Eduardo Rodriguez injury was huge and it's already looking like it cost the Sox a game in the standings. Good thing is the Red Sox have way more than 5 starters already. They don't. Pomeranz hasn't been a viable MLB pitcher this year, Velasquez isn't stretched out, and Beeks hasn't been a viable depth option behind everyone else.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2018 21:05:49 GMT -5
I don't see the need to go out and grab a starter, just yet. We still have 4 quality starters and we likely to win over 100 games. I would much rather get a bullpen arm. For Pete's sake....this team has won damn near 70% of their games. It wasn't because we had 4 great starts out of every turn in the rotation. Chillax !!! I agree. It makes no makes to me to trade for a back of the roatation piece just to get a starter. If the Red Sox play .500 the rest of the way they'll win 101 games. That will also give you the best second place team in the history of MLB.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2018 21:07:53 GMT -5
You need 5 starters Jerry. The only other viable option right now is Velazquez, and he isn't even stretched out right now. They need to get someone, *anyone* else. Everyone was bashing Fiers, but he's a improvement over Pomeranz right now. The Eduardo Rodriguez injury was huge and it's already looking like it cost the Sox a game in the standings. Only need a 5th starter for 3 games in Aug. None in Sept w all those extra arms Take a pass on giving up prospects Need to give Sale as many days off as they need to, because the exact opposite thing didn't work last year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2018 21:14:38 GMT -5
You need 5 starters Jerry. The only other viable option right now is Velazquez, and he isn't even stretched out right now. They need to get someone, *anyone* else. Everyone was bashing Fiers, but he's a improvement over Pomeranz right now. The Eduardo Rodriguez injury was huge and it's already looking like it cost the Sox a game in the standings. They're fine. They're going to cruise to the play-offs with what they have. And before you bring up the wild card game - no acquisition is going to be pitching that night (if necessary). Unless they're getting a top end starter to pitch ahead of Price/Porcello it's not at all a need it's a luxury/want... Getting a similar pitcher because you're tired of their back-end now does nothing except change the name of the pitcher you'll be railing on later on the season... Why are you making this personal? The Sox are in a good position being 5 games up. The Yankees already improved big time and they haven't even acquired a starter yet. There are a lot of scenarios that put you in second place if you can't keep up with them the rest of the way. Fiers and his bad peripherals are still better than Pomeranz right now. You shouldn't ever accept things the way they are if you have a chance to get better, *especially* in a world series title chase this year.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 24, 2018 21:14:40 GMT -5
Can’t let Pomeranz start another game in a red sox uniform.
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