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Post by manfred on Aug 18, 2018 15:21:26 GMT -5
Well, I am panicking. For real. Who’s with me? I want Sale to be our Orel, our MadBum.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 18, 2018 15:40:34 GMT -5
If Eduardo comes back strong in his rehab start on Monday, I can see him taking Sale's spot in the rotation. The Sox will have a bullpen game in the meantime on Sunday.
As for Sale, I'm a little concerned now, but not too concerned if the problem goes away in a couple weeks. Sale was supposed to throw 85-90 pitches back from the DL and only threw 68 pitches in his return.
They should just shut him down for a week or two. Give him bullpens soon after and give him maybe 1-3 starts to build his pitch count back up before the start of the postseason.
This is probably more by design and I have a feeling that a phantom DL was on the Sox radar before the season happened, but this probably wasn't what they had envisioned. Not a big problem if he bounces back in September.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 18, 2018 15:54:56 GMT -5
If the Sox can't get Sale to 100 pitches in a start by the end of September, that's when everyone should be panicking. Until we get to that point, it's hard to say that injury is going to kill the Sox chances come October.
Sale needs to start Game 1 of the playoffs, or you're 2 steps behind.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2018 16:00:17 GMT -5
I have to agree, he has a 28 inning scoreless streak going. You can't have a major issue and be pitching at a crazy elite level. Just Cora being overly careful and it makes sense for a guy that wears down late in the year. You guys really think they sat him out the Yankees series as a precaution? That was a HUGE series. He had 5 scoreless innings since being hurt not 28. Add: the concern is he felt well enough to pitch after the DL stint but not 5 days after throwing only 68 pitches. He has had 28 innings total, 23 before the first DL stint and 5 innings since. So yea I'm not too worried. They wanted to reduce his wear and tear, this seems like that. It's a long season and guys play through pain a lot. In this case given our massive lead, they are just going to sit him till he's 100%. Until I see a report saying there's some actual issue I'm not worried. I bet there isn't a pitcher on the team that doesn't have a sore shoulder. My take you bring him back because you don't want him to get rusty. So ten days and a start and ten days and a start, compared to 20 days off. I'd be worried if he wasn't 100 % dominant before both DL stints, but he was. I have a hard time believing you can be that good and its something major.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 18, 2018 16:13:30 GMT -5
Chris knows...
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 18, 2018 16:54:25 GMT -5
No panic from Raleigh (me) - he starts every 5th day and we are - what? 19-6 in the second half. 13-2 before that - 32-8 in our last 40 games with all kinds of key talent jumping on and off the DL.
We have Cora, and a great Core (bad pun intended). We have Mookie and JDM. I feel like our team can withstand a lot and fill in bodies when needed that do their job (now I am channeling coach Bill B).
No worry here - just enjoying watching this historic season unfold.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 18, 2018 17:09:14 GMT -5
You guys really think they sat him out the Yankees series as a precaution? That was a HUGE series. He had 5 scoreless innings since being hurt not 28. Add: the concern is he felt well enough to pitch after the DL stint but not 5 days after throwing only 68 pitches. He has had 28 innings total, 23 before the first DL stint and 5 innings since. So yea I'm not too worried. They wanted to reduce his wear and tear, this seems like that. It's a long season and guys play through pain a lot. In this case given our massive lead, they are just going to sit him till he's 100%. Until I see a report saying there's some actual issue I'm not worried. I bet there isn't a pitcher on the team that doesn't have a sore shoulder. My take you bring him back because you don't want him to get rusty. So ten days and a start and ten days and a start, compared to 20 days off. I'd be worried if he wasn't 100 % dominant before both DL stints, but he was. I have a hard time believing you can be that good and its something major. I don’t think there is anything majorly structurally wrong with his shoulder, but there’s not a chance in hell they planned this second DL stint so that’s a concern for me. I think he would have started tomorrow had it been a playoff game. The concern comes with the question of whether or not he can bounce back from start to start come playoff time. Hopefully, they can get him right between now and then but that’s hardly a guarantee.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 18, 2018 17:11:13 GMT -5
If the Sox can't get Sale to 100 pitches in a start by the end of September, that's when everyone should be panicking. Until we get to that point, it's hard to say that injury is going to kill the Sox chances come October. Sale needs to start Game 1 of the playoffs, or you're 2 steps behind. I haven’t seen one person saying this injury is going to kill their chances. No one is even saying this injury is definitely a big deal. Some of us are just pointing out it’s concerning.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 18, 2018 17:53:54 GMT -5
If the Sox can't get Sale to 100 pitches in a start by the end of September, that's when everyone should be panicking. Until we get to that point, it's hard to say that injury is going to kill the Sox chances come October. Sale needs to start Game 1 of the playoffs, or you're 2 steps behind. I haven’t seen one person saying this injury is going to kill their chances. No one is even saying this injury is definitely a big deal. Some of us are just pointing out it’s concerning. Whether it's said or not isn't the point. The Sox need to build his pitch count up before September ends or Chris Sale is pitching out of the bullpen in the playoffs, and that definitely does hurt your chances. The Sox have 5-6 weeks to do this after shutting down Sale for the foreseeable future.
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Post by danr on Aug 18, 2018 17:55:01 GMT -5
142 HRs in the Sox lineup. 74 in Tampa's.
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Post by danredhawk on Aug 18, 2018 18:01:17 GMT -5
I think there's something there with Sale - I just think it's something very minor. He himself has described it as 'not as bad as the first time' and 'not very concerning'...
To me, it's the Sox being especially careful with their players, just like they said they would be early in the year. I think a lot of the hamstring injuries are similar cases - shutting guys down for minor concerns and short periods (with a big lead) to ensure everyone is ready to go when the playoffs inevitably begin...
I think this underscores one of the most underrated aspects Cora has brought to the team this season. He does EXACTLY what he says he's going to do. The DLs, the frequent days off and JD in the OF have frustrated a number of people on a number of occasions - particularly earlier in the year when the race was on. But from the players perspective they know exactly what is expected of them, exactly how they will be handled and when and how often they will or won't play.
This is creating maximum trust, accountability, expectation understanding and confidence - which I think has to be a MAJOR part of the team's success this season...
In this case I think (and certainly hope) it is nothing more than pitching coming off the DL, seeing how recovery goes and finding out that it's not going perfectly. So let's stick to the plan and be as cautious as we said we'd be, especially with a 10.5 game lead. I'd be more concerned if they had deviated from their pre-season plans once all year, but they really haven't. It's been amazing to watch...
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2018 18:10:12 GMT -5
After a fun last night at a hold 'em tournament, back to watch "the best team that's ever walked the planet" !!!!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2018 18:10:20 GMT -5
Sale didn't sound overly concerned pregame. Said it didn't respond like they wanted to and pretty much said it's better to do this now. He ended it with they've got my back and I appreciate that.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 18, 2018 18:13:39 GMT -5
Moreland, you seriously stink at picking balls out of the dirt.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2018 18:13:44 GMT -5
I think there's something there with Sale - I just think it's something very minor. He himself has described it as 'not as bad as the first time' and 'not very concerning'... To me, it's the Sox being especially careful with their players, just like they said they would be early in the year. I think a lot of the hamstring injuries are similar cases - shutting guys down for minor concerns and short periods (with a big lead) to ensure everyone is ready to go when the playoffs inevitably begin... I think this underscores one of the most underrated aspects Cora has brought to the team this season. He does EXACTLY what he says he's going to do. The DLs, the frequent days off and JD in the OF have frustrated a number of people on a number of occasions - particularly earlier in the year when the race was on. But from the players perspective they know exactly what is expected of them, exactly how they will be handled and when and how often they will or won't play. This is creating maximum trust, accountability, expectation understanding and confidence - which I think has to be a MAJOR part of the team's success this season... In this case I think (and certainly hope) it is nothing more than pitching coming off the DL, seeing how recovery goes and finding out that it's not going perfectly. So let's stick to the plan and be as cautious as we said we'd be, especially with a 10.5 game lead. I'd be more concerned if they had deviated from their pre-season plans once all year, but they really haven't. It's been amazing to watch... really excellent post.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2018 18:15:21 GMT -5
Price has some discomfort very early, let's see how he does.
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Post by terriblehondo on Aug 18, 2018 18:15:58 GMT -5
Xander needs to be at 3rd on that play.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 18, 2018 18:17:50 GMT -5
It's easy giving Cora credit for shutting players down with a 10 game lead. I like Cora too, but let's see how he handles an adverse situation like the playoffs before really judging him.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2018 18:24:22 GMT -5
Price worked around a little league defensive half inning by Moreland/Bogey.
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Post by bosox on Aug 18, 2018 18:28:03 GMT -5
After a fun last night at a hold 'em tournament, back to watch "the best team that's ever walked the planet" !!!! The Sox pen had a decent night last night with their own hold'em tournament.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2018 18:28:40 GMT -5
It's easy giving Cora credit for shutting players down with a 10 game lead. I like Cora too, but let's see how he handles an adverse situation like the playoffs before really judging him. I don't know Pedro. I think the part of the point is that Cora is crucial to the 10 game lead, and I agree with that.
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Post by bosox on Aug 18, 2018 18:29:56 GMT -5
How does Moreland steal third?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2018 18:30:06 GMT -5
this team is so good at stealing bases.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2018 18:33:34 GMT -5
How does Moreland steal third? Slowly.
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Post by bosox on Aug 18, 2018 18:33:52 GMT -5
Running Red Sox. Stealing bases without a throw.
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