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Post by kingofthetrill on Sept 10, 2018 20:20:40 GMT -5
Reminded me of the Chris Harper muffed punt that cost us home field in 2015. That team was so damn good at the beginning of the season they just suffered so many injuries. The team was honestly reminding me of 2007 at the beginning of that season when Brady dropped a 50 burger on the Jags in week 2. I don't think they played the Jags that year. They played them the year before and won 24-21. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 11, 2018 7:19:58 GMT -5
Poor Riley - just had to fair catch punts and couldn’t do that. I expect Patrick Chung to be the fair catcher next week. Maybe it's crazy because he's a DB and might not have good hands, but I'd love to turn Crossen into our punt returner. I wouldn’t do that; too risky for a guy that’s never done it. I think he seems mentally tough enough, but I just want a guy who can catch. Plus, if you do that then he has to be active at the expense of someone else. Why not Patterson tho? |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 11, 2018 8:15:39 GMT -5
Reminded me of the Chris Harper muffed punt that cost us home field in 2015. That team was so damn good at the beginning of the season they just suffered so many injuries. The team was honestly reminding me of 2007 at the beginning of that season when Brady dropped a 50 burger on the Jags in week 2. I don't think they played the Jags that year. They played them the year before and won 24-21. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 11, 2018 11:09:25 GMT -5
Pats signed Corey Coleman. I get he was a first round pick just 2 years ago, BUT cmon the guy couldn’t even make the Browns and Bills. He pretty much stinks. Plus, he was crying (literally) about being with the second team offense in Cleveland. Hiw will he handle not getting any touches here?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 11, 2018 13:25:43 GMT -5
They need someone until Edelman gets back and he was probably the best option. That, and you can't really trust the Bills or Browns with talent evaluation they're the two worst teams in the league.
I heard that crying clip though and that scared me as well... pretty insane thing for a grown man to do.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2018 13:59:16 GMT -5
Pats signed Corey Coleman. I get he was a first round pick just 2 years ago, BUT cmon the guy couldn’t even make the Browns and Bills. He pretty much stinks. Plus, he was crying (literally) about being with the second team offense in Cleveland. Hiw will he handle not getting any touches here? Corey Coleman has elite speed and is explosive. From a physical standpoint he's the perfect WR for our offense. He's had trouble staying healthy but his production wasn't that bad given the talent at QB in Cleveland. I won't blame any player for want to play or get traded from the Browns, thats not a team I'd except a bench role being a young player. Then he goes to the Bills, which means he spent time with two of the worst coaching staffs in the league this offseason. Now he has a chance to play with the best QB of all-time. A team with a big need long-term at WR and an offensive that is a perfect fit for his talents. If he can't except that, he won't be in the league long. He also has kickoff and punt return experience from his College days. If you worked this guy out, you'd sign him given the Patriots need at WR. I think he fits our offense better than Patterson. As far as Crossen he's going to play or get waived. Injuries happen and I'd just try and see if he can do it. As to Patterson, have any big players ever returned punts? It seems you want the smaller players returning punts. I wouldn't be surprised if Coleman is that guy now. Gives him a role, while he learns the system. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 11, 2018 14:59:13 GMT -5
Pats signed Corey Coleman. I get he was a first round pick just 2 years ago, BUT cmon the guy couldn’t even make the Browns and Bills. He pretty much stinks. Plus, he was crying (literally) about being with the second team offense in Cleveland. Hiw will he handle not getting any touches here? Corey Coleman has elite speed and is explosive. From a physical standpoint he's the perfect WR for our offense. He's had trouble staying healthy but his production wasn't that bad given the talent at QB in Cleveland. I won't blame any player for want to play or get traded from the Browns, thats not a team I'd except a bench role being a young player. Then he goes to the Bills, which means he spent time with two of the worst coaching staffs in the league this offseason. Now he has a chance to play with the best QB of all-time. A team with a big need long-term at WR and an offensive that is a perfect fit for his talents. If he can't except that, he won't be in the league long. He also has kickoff and punt return experience from his College days. If you worked this guy out, you'd sign him given the Patriots need at WR. I think he fits our offense better than Patterson. As far as Crossen he's going to play or get waived. Injuries happen and I'd just try and see if he can do it. As to Patterson, have any big players ever returned punts? It seems you want the smaller players returning punts. I wouldn't be surprised if Coleman is that guy now. Gives him a role, while he learns the system. Not sure I agree with you on Crosson. He might dress some but only after injuries in the secondary. They kept him and JC Jackson because they feel they are really good prospects and they really didn’t want to lose them; especially with Rowe’s injury history and likelihood to leave after this season. Like you said before they’ve lost too many good players in the past so this year they are keeping an extra corner. They can deal with it |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 11, 2018 15:57:10 GMT -5
Pats signed Kenjon Barner for RB depth and PR duties (27 returns last year) - per Reiss
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 11, 2018 17:06:25 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me how the practice squad works in the NFL? If other teams can directly sign your guys off your practice squad, what is the point of having it?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2018 17:22:31 GMT -5
Corey Coleman has elite speed and is explosive. From a physical standpoint he's the perfect WR for our offense. He's had trouble staying healthy but his production wasn't that bad given the talent at QB in Cleveland. I won't blame any player for want to play or get traded from the Browns, thats not a team I'd except a bench role being a young player. Then he goes to the Bills, which means he spent time with two of the worst coaching staffs in the league this offseason. Now he has a chance to play with the best QB of all-time. A team with a big need long-term at WR and an offensive that is a perfect fit for his talents. If he can't except that, he won't be in the league long. He also has kickoff and punt return experience from his College days. If you worked this guy out, you'd sign him given the Patriots need at WR. I think he fits our offense better than Patterson. As far as Crossen he's going to play or get waived. Injuries happen and I'd just try and see if he can do it. As to Patterson, have any big players ever returned punts? It seems you want the smaller players returning punts. I wouldn't be surprised if Coleman is that guy now. Gives him a role, while he learns the system. Not sure I agree with you on Crosson. He might dress some but only after injuries in the secondary. They kept him and JC Jackson because they feel they are really good prospects and they really didn’t want to lose them; especially with Rowe’s injury history and likelihood to leave after this season. Like you said before they’ve lost too many good players in the past so this year they are keeping an extra corner. They can deal with it Yea I liked keeping them, but it also means they have to help the team. The 53 man roster is too small to have two players not make an impact all year. Even if its a guy like Crossen becoming a punt returner or special teams gunner. Nevermind be ready when injuries happen. I really think those two looked good enough to be active players this year if we have a need. I also want to develop special teams players that can also play another position. Think next year or heck maybe later this year if Slatter gets injured. Crossen as a gunner gives you depth that Slatter doesn't, nevermind the cost savings. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2018 17:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2018 17:29:53 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me how the practice squad works in the NFL? If other teams can directly sign your guys off your practice squad, what is the point of having it? Any team can sign a player off your practice squad to play on there active 53 man roster, but its up to the player to accept. Players have turned it down before liking were they are better. Other times the team could simply increase the players practice squad salary so he stays with them. We've seen all those happen in the last few years. It adds depth and its why certain players get paid a lot more than other, so they aren't likely to accept another teams offer. Nevermind it takes a long-time to pick up the playbooks, so its usually better to promote guys off your practice squad than get a guy who is on another team. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2018 17:33:51 GMT -5
Pats signed Kenjon Barner for RB depth and PR duties (27 returns last year) - per Reiss Texas good to see you posting again! He was the biggest name/best RB they brought in last week. Just a little surprised because he's a small back, not a big back to replace Hill. Maybe they wait till one they like better becomes available or till teams are willing to make trades. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 11, 2018 17:49:58 GMT -5
Pats signed Kenjon Barner for RB depth and PR duties (27 returns last year) - per Reiss Texs the man is back. I agree with what UMass said, I learn a lot from what you post. Hopefully you're here for basketball. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 11, 2018 17:52:27 GMT -5
I'm worried about the talent level at running back, to be honest. Burkhead shouldn't be a lead back on anyone's roster, even on a team lead by Tom Brady.
Anyone know any updates on Sony Michel and how close he is to returning to play?
That Hill injury might hurt the running game a lot because I think the Pats were counting on him to some degree early on.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 11, 2018 20:01:05 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me how the practice squad works in the NFL? If other teams can directly sign your guys off your practice squad, what is the point of having it? Any team can sign a player off your practice squad to play on there active 53 man roster, but its up to the player to accept. Players have turned it down before liking were they are better. Other times the team could simply increase the players practice squad salary so he stays with them. We've seen all those happen in the last few years. It adds depth and its why certain players get paid a lot more than other, so they aren't likely to accept another teams offer. Nevermind it takes a long-time to pick up the playbooks, so its usually better to promote guys off your practice squad than get a guy who is on another team. Does the practice squad salary count against the cap? It should IMO, otherwise it goes against everything that the practice squad is about. What's to stop Jerry Jones from paying 15 guys $1 million a piece to develop on a practice squad and turn it into a minor league team almost? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2018 20:37:27 GMT -5
Any team can sign a player off your practice squad to play on there active 53 man roster, but its up to the player to accept. Players have turned it down before liking were they are better. Other times the team could simply increase the players practice squad salary so he stays with them. We've seen all those happen in the last few years. It adds depth and its why certain players get paid a lot more than other, so they aren't likely to accept another teams offer. Nevermind it takes a long-time to pick up the playbooks, so its usually better to promote guys off your practice squad than get a guy who is on another team. Does the practice squad salary count against the cap? It should IMO, otherwise it goes against everything that the practice squad is about. What's to stop Jerry Jones from paying 15 guys $1 million a piece to develop on a practice squad and turn it into a minor league team almost? Yes the 1.5 million they currently spend on the practice squad counts against the cap. The practice squad is also limited to 10 players and players in there first 3-4 NFL seasons. There isn't anything stopping a team from paying 10 guys a ton, besides there isn't that many players worth that much that wouldn't get claimed if you waive them. Eric Smith cost $340,000 to switch teams for example. Corey Coleman turned down practice squad opportunities. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 11, 2018 20:42:20 GMT -5
Speaking of PS, Harvey Langi visited with the Jets (Ben Volin retweet). It was reported he was signing to Pats PS but never did. Would love to see what he could've done if fully healthy. Thought he would've made it to Pats IR.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 12, 2018 6:34:42 GMT -5
I'm worried about the talent level at running back, to be honest. Burkhead shouldn't be a lead back on anyone's roster, even on a team lead by Tom Brady. Anyone know any updates on Sony Michel and how close he is to returning to play? That Hill injury might hurt the running game a lot because I think the Pats were counting on him to some degree early on. I think you’re under estimating Burkhead a little. Pats don’t have traditional lead backs and he’s a very good back. Corey Dillon is the last back they’ve had that is the type of guy you seem to be referencing. Michel is practicing so he will likely be back in week 3 or 4 would be my guess. Webb is pretty dang good I think. Won’t surprise me to see him make a pretty big impact. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 12, 2018 7:28:00 GMT -5
I'm worried about the talent level at running back, to be honest. Burkhead shouldn't be a lead back on anyone's roster, even on a team lead by Tom Brady. Anyone know any updates on Sony Michel and how close he is to returning to play? That Hill injury might hurt the running game a lot because I think the Pats were counting on him to some degree early on. I think you’re under estimating Burkhead a little. Pats don’t have traditional lead backs and he’s a very good back. Corey Dillon is the last back they’ve had that is the type of guy you seem to be referencing. Michel is practicing so he will likely be back in week 3 or 4 would be my guess. Webb is pretty dang good I think. Won’t surprise me to see him make a pretty big impact. Admittedly I've seen very little of Webb, but Burkehead is a guy coming off injuries last year and isn't really anything special to me. If Webb or Michel don't step up, you're losing major production than what you had last year with Dion Lewis. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 12, 2018 9:44:35 GMT -5
Jeremy Hill isn't anything special, either. There's really not much of a step down from Hill to Burkhead. The biggest hit is to their overall running back depth. If Burkhead goes down before Michel returns, then there might be a little more reason for alarm.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 12, 2018 15:23:17 GMT -5
I don't think Hill or Burkhead were anything special, but splitting carries I liked that combo. Then adding Michel at some point added another layer. I don't like Burkhead one bit as the full-time guy.
I'm shocked they signed Barner. Maybe they think they can find another Lewis, he was very good in College, but it was that crazy Oregon offense that hasn't translated to the NFL. More likely it's just a tryout. Let him and Coleman compete for the punt returner role. Wouldn't be surprised to see Barner cut quickly and them bring in Orleans Darkwa or Charles Sims, two guys they just worked out. They just seem like better fits as bigger backs and have much better production in the NFL. Darkwa production last year on that crappy team, with a horrible OL was rather good. 751 yards 4.4 ypa, 5 TD, and 19 catches. Kinda surprised no one has picked him up, but most teams like young RB, unlike us.
What is it that people like about Ralph Webb? Granted he didn't look bad catching the ball, but he didn't have a single preseason game where he went over 4 ypc, not even close frankly and 102 yards for a 3.3 average in the preseason. He got a good amount of time also, getting 14 and 12 carries in two games.
If you wanted to go for a homerun, go after Josh Adams. I'm a huge Notre Dame guy and he's the best RB they had in like the last 20 years and its not even close. He's not perfect, he gets dinged up a good amount and would be best used in a rotation. He just has upside and big play ability that no RB on our team does besides Michel.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 12, 2018 15:32:57 GMT -5
Rex Burkhead is in concussion protocol and didn't practice today.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 12, 2018 16:11:08 GMT -5
Rex Burkhead is in concussion protocol and didn't practice today. Jeez, the skill players are getting thin. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 12, 2018 16:12:23 GMT -5
My gut is that Barner is mostly about Punt Returns. It may be more than a tryout but hard to see him lasting past an Edelman return (unless they want to avoid using JE11 on returns).
Meanwhile, NE signed another RB to the Practice Squad. Kenneth Farrow replaces Jace Billingsley
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