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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 17, 2018 2:16:28 GMT -5
Wouldn't be surprised to see him in jail or in rehab again before joining another team. You have to know the reasons why he was released, which haven't been revealed. Gordon isn't just a guy who made a few bad decisions. He's a chronic problem for a football team. I don't think you can just assume that he'll all of a sudden become a model citizen just because he's away from the Browns and joining a team where everyone is on their best behavior because they don't want to disappoint Brady or Belichick. The guy has some serious issues. Adam Schefter reported it was because he had an hamstring issue he didn't tell them about all week and then couldn't play. They felt it was a breach in trust. I don't think its jail or rehab. If it was teams wouldn't want to trade for him and teams made offers. Yea the guy has been a mess, but also might be the most talented WR in the NFL. Why not take a risk if the cost is low? If he's crazy or gets suspended he's gone. If he can some how just keep it together for the season you've changed the team. You just gave Brady the best WR he's had since Moss. I can't think of a better team to help him frankly than the Patriots. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2018 2:49:56 GMT -5
I'm all for it, I'd just be shocked if the Patriots actually picked him up. There's no denying the talent. He wasn't going anywhere with the Browns anyways.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 17, 2018 9:26:43 GMT -5
This was, by far, the toughest game on our schedule. Just beat the hapless Lions and the Dolphins at home (and stay healthy) and we're 3-1 with Edelman coming back.
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Post by rookie13 on Sept 17, 2018 14:16:31 GMT -5
The Patriots are close to a deal for Gordon, per Rapoport.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2018 14:48:23 GMT -5
The Patriots are close to a deal for Gordon, per Rapoport. Wow. |
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Post by mobaz on Sept 17, 2018 15:21:35 GMT -5
Deal done. For a 5th round pick, get a late-round pick back if Gordon not active 10 games. INSANE that that's all it took.
I think the Browns were not on board with Josh Gordon addressing his mental health and addiction issues in any way other than "rub some dirt on it" machismo, and sold him for a bag of balls.
Will he be a 1500 yard receiver? Probably not, but maybe. Will he relapse or be unfit another way? Maybe, but for $800K and a 5th I'm certainly willing to find out. 2 years cost controlled as well.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 17, 2018 15:26:32 GMT -5
Deal done. For a 5th round pick, get a late-round pick back if Gordon not active 10 games. INSANE that that's all it took. No it’s not - guys a loser |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 17, 2018 15:47:00 GMT -5
Are we sure its two years cost controlled? I thought he was an RFA next year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2018 15:52:01 GMT -5
Are we sure its two years cost controlled? I thought he was an RFA next year. The Patriots will get rid of him if he's worth any money in the future anyways. I wonder if this guy can still play/can pick up even the simplest plays in the playbook. It's never too late to grow up and Gordon can do that here if he has any desire to win. That's the main thing, his will to win, which is HIGHLY questionable. He could come here and be fine though, chances are with his history, he won't though. |
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Post by mobaz on Sept 17, 2018 15:57:12 GMT -5
With RFA they should be able to tender him at First Round level, which would be $3M I think; I guess a team could sign him to a bigger contract AND give up a first round pick, but flipping a 5th for a 1st is also a pretty solid trade.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 17, 2018 15:59:45 GMT -5
Well this is a pleasant surprise.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2018 16:19:39 GMT -5
With RFA they should be able to tender him at First Round level, which would be $3M I think; I guess a team could sign him to a bigger contract AND give up a first round pick, but flipping a 5th for a 1st is also a pretty solid trade. That's best case scenario and it assumes that Gordon makes it through the year and actually plays well. |
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Post by mobaz on Sept 17, 2018 16:34:10 GMT -5
With RFA they should be able to tender him at First Round level, which would be $3M I think; I guess a team could sign him to a bigger contract AND give up a first round pick, but flipping a 5th for a 1st is also a pretty solid trade. That's best case scenario and it assumes that Gordon makes it through the year and actually plays well. Sure. Basically was saying if he's bad there's minimal risk, and if he's good or excellent he's a multi-year asset. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2018 16:50:52 GMT -5
That's best case scenario and it assumes that Gordon makes it through the year and actually plays well. Sure. Basically was saying if he's bad there's minimal risk, and if he's good or excellent he's a multi-year asset. I just wouldn't call him an asset. At best he's a guy who could fill a role for the next two years. Let's face it, no one in the league is throwing a first round pick AND money at Josh Gordon, even if he lights it up with the Patriots this year. The Pats would pick up the 3 million dollar tender (if that indeed is the number) and Gordon will most likely have to play for that (assuming he doesn't get in trouble and he's actually motivated to play for 3 million if he feels he's worth more). |
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 17, 2018 16:51:05 GMT -5
The Pats need an injection of talent at the wr spot and this is at least taking a shot. Could be a bum, could be servicable and could be the most dynamic wr since Moss. Doesn't cost much to kick this tire and find out so why not.
The Pats are desperate. And I will be hopeful.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 17, 2018 18:47:03 GMT -5
The cost in terms of picks and money is less than Patterson. So yes this is a very good deal and risk no matter how it turns out. After watching that last game, when the Jags only worried about Gronk. Gordan changes that, you have to account for him. He's a special athlete that can make big plays. If he's going to turn his career around or even have just one more good season this is the perfect place for him. Which lets be frank if we get the rest of this year from him it will be huge. Next year is just gravy and yes he is a restricted guy next year. Browns throwing a 1 game suspension on him last game of the year a few seasons back, gave them a extra year of control.
Calling him a loser is just stupid. Yes he's made a bunch of mistakes, but millions of Americans are addicted to weed and alcohol. Only in professional sports do you get suspended for it. Just look at Ben Affleck. He's gone to rehab, did the right thing in missing part of training camp to get even more help. He's trying and it will be a battle his whole life. I don't mind that, he's not beating women or something like that. He's not doing insider trading and stealing money like the LB the Seahawks just signed.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 17, 2018 19:07:55 GMT -5
If he plays 10 games for the Patriots I’ll be shocked. Word from Cleveland is they think he was drunk this weekend.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 17, 2018 19:20:40 GMT -5
If he plays 10 games for the Patriots I’ll be shocked. Word from Cleveland is they think he was drunk this weekend. Got a link to that information? |
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Sept 17, 2018 19:22:14 GMT -5
Low cost investment... high potential return. Pats don't "need" him to be the man. He's gone if he doesn't stay clean and keep his head in the game. I like this move, primarily based on what NE had to give up... PLUS the cost control NE maintains. His speed, combined with Dorsett's speed, gives NE a couple of burners to stretch the field. Opens things up for Gronk, Edelman and the running backs to work underneath.
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Post by jmei on Sept 17, 2018 19:28:11 GMT -5
This is a lottery ticket with low odds of paying off but incredible potential upside. Not sure I would have paid that price. Sixth round equivalent pick isn’t much, but I think the odds here are pretty low.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2018 19:37:20 GMT -5
Edelman coming back will be 100 times better than the Gordon acquisition.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 17, 2018 20:25:46 GMT -5
Speculation is all anybody has.
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Post by marrcus on Sept 17, 2018 23:19:14 GMT -5
Brady sounded reticent tonight... but did the team leader routine, about welcoming him. You have to wonder in a deal like this if they even have a chance to get a feeling for Gordon's current state of mind?
But they had to make the offense better because this D
is mediocre with maybe an upside to get to adequate. They have to get points to keep it off the field. Gordon should help with that if he's mentally there.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 18, 2018 4:56:51 GMT -5
Turns out letting Malcolm Butler worked out so far. Just wish Dawson/Rowe/J McCorty was working out better across from Gilmore. Seemed like a sensible plan, but the team is somehow back to no receivers no pass rush no CBs. Not ideal.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 18, 2018 5:27:07 GMT -5
Each of the last few seasons has started out with a game very much like this one so I will remain optimistic that they will right the ship.
One observation I have made is that Hightower hasn't looked the same, looks slow out there.
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