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Post by jimed14 on Dec 2, 2018 21:11:52 GMT -5
I would put money on Gronk retiring after the season. I bet he’s tired of destroying his body.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 2, 2018 21:19:46 GMT -5
Watching Gronk hold on that Edelman run towards the end was really sad.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 3, 2018 7:11:17 GMT -5
You can’t say enough bad things about Josh McDaniels. I get annoyed with him at times too but - Wow on this take... he’s one of the best coordinators in football and a lot of the things that annoy us as fans are actually smart plays that they use to set teams up over the long haul - both within that game and over the course of the season. They put things on film and on paper to look different for future games and to skew the trend numbers so come playoff time they can use it against people. It’s hard to not be caught in the moment (I do it all the time), but overall they (including Josh) are extremely smart and well ahead of the curve. In the play the annoyed me category was the third and goal pick play where Edelman was probably interfere with but was an ok non-call. Settled for FG to go up 10-0. That was a well designed play that against any other defense is a walk in TD but it was played perfectly. Initially, I was like there needs to be another option there, but it’s such a quick hitter that it’s not possible for Brady to read that switch. The Vikings executed it perfectly. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 3, 2018 7:19:22 GMT -5
I’ll keep it positive today; these are a couple things I liked about today’s game (not in any order of significance):
1. Michel pushing the pile on a late game 3rd 1. He had no hole - everyone knew it was a run and he should have been stopped short but he got low, hit it hard and drove the pile. I haven’t seen him do that before. I also like Michel going OB on the first down run out of the 2 min warning to stop the clock. Gives Bill something to harp on and it’s a mistake made that will never happen again.
2. Patriots secondary - specifically the corners are really coming a long. They shut down Diggs and Theilan. They will still make mistakes but Jones and Jackson are two really promising young corners that are making it clear why they kept so many corners. Add Dawson and Crosson to that group and it’s a nice future. Jackson is 6’1 to go with that crazy speed.
3. Flores is getting a lot better and seems a lot more creative than Patricia was. If you look at the overall pressure numbers for the year they are the worst of the Belichick era since 2000. The last 2 weeks though have been great.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2018 9:37:03 GMT -5
The Pats did an amazing job at handling the pass rush yesterday. The Vikings are 3rd in the league in sacks I think. Maybe not anymore after they got zero.
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Post by jmei on Dec 3, 2018 10:27:42 GMT -5
Trent Brown has done an amazing job this year, both in pass protection and especially in the run game. That combination of size/length and athleticism has always given him high upside, but there have been questions about his conditioning and effort in the past that he’s managed to silence this year. They lost Solder and Wynn and somehow got better at the position. He’s a free agent and I suspect he’ll end up going to the highest bidder (as he should) in the offseason, but he’s given them way more than they could have expected already.
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Post by jmei on Dec 3, 2018 10:39:01 GMT -5
In general, three huge under-the-radar moves that have paid off: Brown (already discussed), Jason McCourty (who has given above-average #2 corner production on the cheap) and, of course, Josh Gordon.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 3, 2018 13:18:51 GMT -5
Brown could be an interesting case this offseason. While BB won't GIVE a position to Wynn it does seem he was drafted to be he LT of the future. So that could mean:
1. Re-signing Brown to play RT (but they'd have to pay LT prices) and releasing/trading Cannon
2. Same as 2 but restructure Cannon to be the swing T
3. Letting Brown walk, keeping Cannon for RT and finding a swing to replace Waddle (or re-signing Waddle)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 3, 2018 13:24:56 GMT -5
I’ll keep it positive today; these are a couple things I liked about today’s game (not in any order of significance): 1. Michel pushing the pile on a late game 3rd 1. He had no hole - everyone knew it was a run and he should have been stopped short but he got low, hit it hard and drove the pile. I haven’t seen him do that before. I also like Michel going OB on the first down run out of the 2 min warning to stop the clock. Gives Bill something to harp on and it’s a mistake made that will never happen again. 2. Patriots secondary - specifically the corners are really coming a long. They shut down Diggs and Theilan. They will still make mistakes but Jones and Jackson are two really promising young corners that are making it clear why they kept so many corners. Add Dawson and Crosson to that group and it’s a nice future. Jackson is 6’1 to go with that crazy speed. 3. Flores is getting a lot better and seems a lot more creative than Patricia was. If you look at the overall pressure numbers for the year they are the worst of the Belichick era since 2000. The last 2 weeks though have been great. I do like how Flores is starting to be more aggressive. At the same time this isn't a surprise. Every year our D gels and gets better as the year goes along. Might have taken a little longer this year because of a new coordinator and a ton of new guys. The talent level and depth is better than we've had in a longtime. Losing Rowe and playing Jackson looks like a big upgrade. Watching Jackson get his hands on the ball in the endzone compared to Rowe in the Superbowl. So much depth Dawson and Crossen can't even get on the field. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2018 13:49:56 GMT -5
What a catch by Gordon for Brady's 500 TD throw. I'm already more than impressed by the performance of Gordon. He's added more than I expected in 2 games than I expected all year. This year reeks of a typical Pats season where they start 1-2 or 2-2 and end up 13-3. Well, they have this schedule left to get to that 13-3: 14 Dec 09 NE @ MIA 15 Dec 16 NE @ PIT 16 Dec 23 BUF @ NE 17 Dec 30 NYJ @ NE Certainly seems doable. Of course Pittsburgh will be tough. KC has a pretty tough schedule other than Oakland so I could see the Pats catching them with the tie-breaker: 14 Dec 09 BAL @ KC 15 Dec 13 LAC @ KC 16 Dec 23 KC @ SEA 17 Dec 30 OAK @ KC They also have the tie-breaker with the Texans. Doesn't look like there will be any rest for any of these teams jockeying for seeding. |
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 3, 2018 14:48:28 GMT -5
You can’t say enough bad things about Josh McDaniels. I get annoyed with him at times too but - Wow on this take... he’s one of the best coordinators in football and a lot of the things that annoy us as fans are actually smart plays that they use to set teams up over the long haul - both within that game and over the course of the season. They put things on film and on paper to look different for future games and to skew the trend numbers so come playoff time they can use it against people. It’s hard to not be caught in the moment (I do it all the time), but overall they (including Josh) are extremely smart and well ahead of the curve. In the play the annoyed me category was the third and goal pick play where Edelman was probably interfere with but was an ok non-call. Settled for FG to go up 10-0. That was a well designed play that against any other defense is a walk in TD but it was played perfectly. Initially, I was like there needs to be another option there, but it’s such a quick hitter that it’s not possible for Brady to read that switch. The Vikings executed it perfectly. I’ve actually been a defender of McDaniels, and still think he’s really good, but this season has been one of his worst as OC. He’s always had his annoying tendencies (as all coordinators do), but it seems like his playcalling has been more bizarre in big moments this year than I can ever remember. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2018 15:32:00 GMT -5
I get annoyed with him at times too but - Wow on this take... he’s one of the best coordinators in football and a lot of the things that annoy us as fans are actually smart plays that they use to set teams up over the long haul - both within that game and over the course of the season. They put things on film and on paper to look different for future games and to skew the trend numbers so come playoff time they can use it against people. It’s hard to not be caught in the moment (I do it all the time), but overall they (including Josh) are extremely smart and well ahead of the curve. In the play the annoyed me category was the third and goal pick play where Edelman was probably interfere with but was an ok non-call. Settled for FG to go up 10-0. That was a well designed play that against any other defense is a walk in TD but it was played perfectly. Initially, I was like there needs to be another option there, but it’s such a quick hitter that it’s not possible for Brady to read that switch. The Vikings executed it perfectly. I’ve actually been a defender of McDaniels, and still think he’s really good, but this season has been one of his worst as OC. He’s always had his annoying tendencies (as all coordinators do), but it seems like his playcalling has been more bizarre in big moments this year than I can ever remember. It seemed that every play called yesterday was done in consideration of avoiding sacks. Since the Vikings ended up with zero, I'd say that was pretty good. Brady has been getting hit way too much this season and they need to save his body for the playoffs. And knowing the Pats, they'll have almost an entire new playbook for the playoffs when the games matter most. (slight sarcasm) |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 3, 2018 15:58:28 GMT -5
I'm already more than impressed by the performance of Gordon. He's added more than I expected in 2 games than I expected all year. This year reeks of a typical Pats season where they start 1-2 or 2-2 and end up 13-3. Well, they have this schedule left to get to that 13-3: 14 Dec 09 NE @ MIA 15 Dec 16 NE @ PIT 16 Dec 23 BUF @ NE 17 Dec 30 NYJ @ NE Certainly seems doable. Of course Pittsburgh will be tough. KC has a pretty tough schedule other than Oakland so I could see the Pats catching them with the tie-breaker: 14 Dec 09 BAL @ KC 15 Dec 13 LAC @ KC 16 Dec 23 KC @ SEA 17 Dec 30 OAK @ KC They also have the tie-breaker with the Texans. Doesn't look like there will be any rest for any of these teams jockeying for seeding. But a 3 way tie negates the head to head |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 3, 2018 16:00:13 GMT -5
I’ve actually been a defender of McDaniels, and still think he’s really good, but this season has been one of his worst as OC. He’s always had his annoying tendencies (as all coordinators do), but it seems like his playcalling has been more bizarre in big moments this year than I can ever remember. It seemed that every play called yesterday was done in consideration of avoiding sacks. Since the Vikings ended up with zero, I'd say that was pretty good. Brady has been getting hit way too much this season and they need to save his body for the playoffs. And knowing the Pats, they'll have almost an entire new playbook for the playoffs when the games matter most. (slight sarcasm) They seem to be trying to be a power team with the run and play action but without using multiple tight ends too much. I like the idea but They need to get way more efficient on offense to win it all this year. Hopefully, that will happen. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2018 16:55:54 GMT -5
Well, they have this schedule left to get to that 13-3: 14 Dec 09 NE @ MIA 15 Dec 16 NE @ PIT 16 Dec 23 BUF @ NE 17 Dec 30 NYJ @ NE Certainly seems doable. Of course Pittsburgh will be tough. KC has a pretty tough schedule other than Oakland so I could see the Pats catching them with the tie-breaker: 14 Dec 09 BAL @ KC 15 Dec 13 LAC @ KC 16 Dec 23 KC @ SEA 17 Dec 30 OAK @ KC They also have the tie-breaker with the Texans. Doesn't look like there will be any rest for any of these teams jockeying for seeding. But a 3 way tie negates the head to head Well damn, let's hope that doesn't happen. Forgot about that, thanks. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2018 16:57:10 GMT -5
It seemed that every play called yesterday was done in consideration of avoiding sacks. Since the Vikings ended up with zero, I'd say that was pretty good. Brady has been getting hit way too much this season and they need to save his body for the playoffs. And knowing the Pats, they'll have almost an entire new playbook for the playoffs when the games matter most. (slight sarcasm) They seem to be trying to be a power team with the run and play action but without using multiple tight ends too much. I like the idea but They need to get way more efficient on offense to win it all this year. Hopefully, that will happen. Gronk stayed in to block a ton yesterday. Don't remember seeing him do it that much. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 3, 2018 17:36:59 GMT -5
For me a power running team that uses two TEs runs between the tackles. Michel isn't good at that, so what they do is get guys on the outside. It creates a ton of space that fits Michel style of running. I don't think we've done that much in the last 20 years and kinda shows McDaniels brillance. So because of that we are now running a ton of plays off those formations so teams can't be like its a run. It's just a much different offense and it's all because of Michel and his running style.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 3, 2018 17:49:20 GMT -5
For me a power running team that uses two TEs runs between the tackles. Michel isn't good at that, so what they do is get guys on the outside. It creates a ton of space that fits Michel style of running. I don't think we've done that much in the last 20 years and kinda shows McDaniels brillance. So because of that we are now running a ton of plays off those formations so teams can't be like its a run. It's just a much different offense and it's all because of Michel and his running style. It’s not traditional but they have big good blocking receivers and defenses are smaller so they are trying to take advantage. It also sets up their play action. It’s not 100% of their offense but they are doing things other teams aren’t like they always do to try and beat league trends |
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Post by costpet on Dec 4, 2018 7:48:35 GMT -5
There's a lot of talk about McDaniels going to Green Bay. I think that would be a mistake. Rogers likes to check off on the coach's calls and call his own. He's not that good at it, which hurts his team. I don't think McDaniels would put up with that. Run the play he calls, period. Rogers won't like that, so there will be a constant conflict. (Unitas was the last QB to call all his own plays, but he was special.)
If McDaniels coaches another team, the best fit is probably the Giants. BB would be fine with that as it keeps him out of the AFC.
Say what you want about Gronk, but he's a really good blocker. He was used a lot that way. That keeps him fairly healthy for the playoffs which can lull other teams into not double teaming him. I'd be surprised if he came back next year. His body has had it. But, what a great run. I can see him going to Hollywood and being an action hero. Whatever he does, he'll have fun doing it. Who wouldn't want to party with him?
Good to see Devlin get his due. He's been so valuable in an unsung way. I doubt you see many one yard passes into the end zone anymore. Just give it to the big guy, even if it take 4 tries.
Our nemesis always seem to be Miami in Miami. The only big game we won that I can remember was the Squish the Fish game back in 1986. That allowed us to play the Bears in the Super Bowl. Oh, great.
Watching the defense milling around with only one down lineman was strange. No wonder Cousins had a hard time. Maybe that should be our base defense. Call it the Wandering D. I wonder why they wander?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2018 16:43:33 GMT -5
I think Green Bay is perfect, gives him an elite QB to work with and a very good organization. Brady checks and changes plays all the time. They have weapons and it's a lot better than the Colts. If he turns that down, he's just waiting on Bill to retire. Nothing wrong with that, but no Brady or having Rodgers. I'd take that job!
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 4, 2018 18:18:13 GMT -5
I think Green Bay is perfect, gives him an elite QB to work with and a very good organization. Brady checks and changes plays all the time. They have weapons and it's a lot better than the Colts. If he turns that down, he's just waiting on Bill to retire. Nothing wrong with that, but no Brady or having Rodgers. I'd take that job! Also, why wouldn’t you check off the plays the Green Bay coaches call? They have they least creative offense possible. |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 4, 2018 19:55:07 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Dec 5, 2018 10:10:34 GMT -5
I remember when he was first accused it didn't make big waves for some reason. A key cog in 2 superbowls in two cities and his kidnapping/attempted murder rap mostly ends up as a footnote. Darren Sharper, serial rapist same thing. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 9, 2018 13:59:47 GMT -5
That Brady TD pass to Patterson was a beauty.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 9, 2018 14:03:06 GMT -5
Getting gashed by the 4th worst offense in football. This defense is putrid outside of a turnover or two in most games.
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