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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 23, 2018 20:48:59 GMT -5
at this point (halftime), they are lucky to be as close as they are. It is embarrassing.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 23, 2018 21:10:11 GMT -5
Everyone except for Gilmore can't cover at ALL against freaking Matt Stafford.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 23, 2018 21:48:44 GMT -5
The offense has never looked this bad. They went 3 and out in the first three drives for the first time in the Tom Brady era.
Michel looks like a rookie. No WR outside of Hogan made a catch in the second half. Just awful.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 23, 2018 22:13:24 GMT -5
well...there was absolutely nothing good about that game.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 23, 2018 22:14:36 GMT -5
You just lost to the freaking Lions. Hopefully everything looks better when Edelman gets back. It has to or the Pats are screwed.
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Post by costpet on Sept 24, 2018 6:26:09 GMT -5
Brady had no one to throw to all game. They doubled Gronk and stayed close to the others. Nothing there. Hopefully, there is help on the way with JE set to return in a couple of weeks and perhaps a healthy Gordon, too. Unfortunately, there is no help coming in to help the defense. There's always someone wide open on 3rd down for the other team. I think it's going to be a long year.
PS. Notice the Jags could only score 6 points against Tennessee. That says something about our defense.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 24, 2018 8:03:49 GMT -5
Not sure how much is on personnel (not quick enough- really exposed on third downs - it is as if Pats' legs are stuck on molasses), coaching schemes, or just current attitude issues (what is the team culture right now), and of course, some key injuries. That is the D.
As far as offense, just too many missing key parts - Brady looks really out of sorts, they are trying to work Michel in there (but James White not nearly enough), really thin in receivers....and again, current attitude and overall game plan.
If course, we could start winning and this will be but an early season blip....or not. If it continues. whose head(s) would roll?
Just an utterly unenjoyable game to endure.
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Post by costpet on Sept 24, 2018 13:09:20 GMT -5
If this keeps up and we have a losing season with not much help to come, I could see Brady saying the hell with it. It's not worth the trouble and walking away. He might asked to be traded or just head down to a Rio beach. Gronk could join him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2018 13:29:11 GMT -5
Well we have our answer and It's not the OL, its lack of weapons! Brady had plenty of time to throw, these guys just can't get open. Good news is Edleman, Gordon, and Hollister will change that in a big way In the next few weeks.
Let's hope Michel isn't close to 100%, because he looked like crap for the second straight week. He doesn't look good running or catching the ball. Johnson on the Lions looks like what I expected for Michel. He's electric when he touches the ball. Michel seems to dance around waiting for holes,but you can't do that in the NFL. I've yet to see anything like burst, or juke moves that I expected given his scouting report.
The defense was missing starters, important ones, but looks lost. Given the players, I just can't get them being run on so much. Watch a rookie guard, that played center in College just throw around Brown like it was nothing is a big worry. At the same time the bigger issue seems to be our defensive coordinator. They just aren't playing well. Just look at Gilmore looking like he got beat, but it was the safety that messed up. Gilmore is elite, just let him play man to man, that is why he got paid a lot of money.
If I'm the Patriots I'm switching out a Grissom for Valentine. Let me see Shelton and Valentine manning the middle and teams trying to run. You don't want Brown and Guy playing the run. Maybe my memory is crazy, but I remember Valentine making at least one play of some sort a game and being very good against the run.
Overall so many new players and that just havedn't come together. I question our coaching and our GM. So many special teams players, yet where's the huge impact? Jordan Matthews just came back for a new team and out played Patterson, who just can't get open unless the defense makes a mistake and doesn't cover him. No big powerful RB to wear down the other teams D. Nevermind did we even have any plays with both Burkhead and White both playing? Thus sure seems like Bill the GM hurting Bill the coach again.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 24, 2018 14:04:02 GMT -5
Michel may be 100% healthy but clearly showing what missing virtually all of camp looks like. So far behind everyone.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 24, 2018 15:43:26 GMT -5
The Patriots can't worry about missing the playoffs while Tom Brady is at QB. Save that for when he retires and suck for a few years and rebuild the entire roster.
This is the time to win for the Pats, I just question how far this team will go, especially with this defense.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 24, 2018 16:11:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not sure tanking the season to reach for a QB (word is, this year's class is not that exciting) is probably not the way to go.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 24, 2018 16:32:14 GMT -5
The likelihood that any QB drafted is ever anywhere near as good as 41 year old Tom Brady is probably under 1%. I don't care if they'd be drafting 1st overall.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 26, 2018 11:01:14 GMT -5
Bentley and Burkhead heading to IR per Jim McBride. Woof.
And signing DE/OLB John Simon (per Shefter).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 26, 2018 11:19:37 GMT -5
Ok that Explains why we didn't see much of Burkhead last game. They did bring back Barner. This sucks, Bentley was a guy you could expect to improve as the season went along. We'll have to wait and see if they can come back.
Might be time to see if you can trade for Bell. I don't see how you can afford him, unless he agrees to take less, but we need a RB. Reports say the cost could be a 3rd/4th round pick. Should have went after Josh Adams when we had the chance, he's now on the Eagles 53 roster. We have to get a RB some way. Michel doesn't look good, Barner has done very little in the NFL and White is more a receiver than RB. This is getting bad.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 26, 2018 11:29:10 GMT -5
Ok that Explains why we didn't see much of Burkhead last game. They did bring back Barner. This sucks, Bentley was a guy you could expect to improve as the season went along. We'll have to wait and see if they can come back. Might be time to see if you can trade for Bell. I don't see how you can afford him, unless he agrees to take less, but we need a RB. Reports say the cost could be a 3rd/4th round pick. Should have went after Josh Adams when we had the chance, he's now on the Eagles 53 roster. We have to get a RB some way. Michel doesn't look good, Barner has done very little in the NFL and White is more a receiver than RB. This is getting bad. Bell is almost an impossible get. 1. Pittsburg wants to win; they aren’t trading Bell to the Pats for a mid round pick. 2. You pretty much have to extend him to get him to report. 3. The Pats don’t have Cap room so they’d ha r to work some magic. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Sept 26, 2018 11:44:18 GMT -5
I have no idea what they plan to do at LB without Bentley. The Burkhead/RB situation is a mess, but it's still much better than the LB situation. Yikes. This might be the worst team since 2002, and almost certainly the worst since 09.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 26, 2018 12:03:25 GMT -5
Comments but not answers:
1. It's probably even worse when you consider Hightower is really an edge player now.
2. When he was drafted, I thought they had indicated that Rivers might bring his athleticsm to LB much like they did with Collins
3. At 6-2/260, not sure what Simon will be (traditionally an EDGE)
4. Grissom got time at LB this camp, I believe (ducks).
5. More Nicholas Grigsby (REALLY ducking).
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 26, 2018 12:20:40 GMT -5
The Steelers would get a 3rd for letting Bell walk. It'll take more than a 3rd to trade for him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 26, 2018 12:45:06 GMT -5
Ok that Explains why we didn't see much of Burkhead last game. They did bring back Barner. This sucks, Bentley was a guy you could expect to improve as the season went along. We'll have to wait and see if they can come back. Might be time to see if you can trade for Bell. I don't see how you can afford him, unless he agrees to take less, but we need a RB. Reports say the cost could be a 3rd/4th round pick. Should have went after Josh Adams when we had the chance, he's now on the Eagles 53 roster. We have to get a RB some way. Michel doesn't look good, Barner has done very little in the NFL and White is more a receiver than RB. This is getting bad. Bell is almost an impossible get. 1. Pittsburg wants to win; they aren’t trading Bell to the Pats for a mid round pick. 2. You pretty much have to extend him to get him to report. 3. The Pats don’t have Cap room so they’d ha r to work some magic. The window has passed, he can't sign a long-term deal untill the offseason now. So he will play this year without one. His plan seems to be to wait till 5 games remaining to get a full year of service time. He might come back sooner if Pittsburgh would not use him as much, but they won't agree to that. His whole plan is to not get injured now untill he can get his long-term deal. The team has been discussing trading him. The only thing I don't know is if he can sign a lesser one year deal or the only thing is the franchise tag. He's basically ready to lose around 11 million and make less than five million given his current path. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 26, 2018 12:49:17 GMT -5
The Steelers would get a 3rd for letting Bell walk. It'll take more than a 3rd to trade for him. They would maybe get a comp third rounder, which is a lesser pick than any teams third rounder. He can get injured or not get the mega deal he expects. They'd also have to wait an extra year for the pick and if traded they get it in this years draft. Our comp picks for Butler and Solder weren't in this draft, we have to wait a year. We get them next year. So a 4th this year is like a third next year. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 26, 2018 12:51:00 GMT -5
Comments but not answers: 1. It's probably even worse when you consider Hightower is really an edge player now. 2. When he was drafted, I thought they had indicated that Rivers might bring his athleticsm to LB much like they did with Collins 3. At 6-2/260, not sure what Simon will be (traditionally an EDGE) 4. Grissom got time at LB this camp, I believe (ducks). 5. More Nicholas Grigsby (REALLY ducking). Rivers is interesting, he was billed as that type of player. I don't think we've seen that yet though, but good call on that. Maybe as he gets more experience or out of need. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 26, 2018 13:22:19 GMT -5
In the good news department, both Chung and Flowers were at practice (media portion anyway). Doesn't say much but more than they did last week, I believe.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 26, 2018 15:54:07 GMT -5
Bell is almost an impossible get. 1. Pittsburg wants to win; they aren’t trading Bell to the Pats for a mid round pick. 2. You pretty much have to extend him to get him to report. 3. The Pats don’t have Cap room so they’d ha r to work some magic. The window has passed, he can't sign a long-term deal untill the offseason now. So he will play this year without one. His plan seems to be to wait till 5 games remaining to get a full year of service time. He might come back sooner if Pittsburgh would not use him as much, but they won't agree to that. His whole plan is to not get injured now untill he can get his long-term deal. The team has been discussing trading him. The only thing I don't know is if he can sign a lesser one year deal or the only thing is the franchise tag. He's basically ready to lose around 11 million and make less than five million given his current path. I thought he couldn’t be traded until he signs his franchise tender |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 26, 2018 17:09:05 GMT -5
The window has passed, he can't sign a long-term deal untill the offseason now. So he will play this year without one. His plan seems to be to wait till 5 games remaining to get a full year of service time. He might come back sooner if Pittsburgh would not use him as much, but they won't agree to that. His whole plan is to not get injured now untill he can get his long-term deal. The team has been discussing trading him. The only thing I don't know is if he can sign a lesser one year deal or the only thing is the franchise tag. He's basically ready to lose around 11 million and make less than five million given his current path. I thought he couldn’t be traded until he signs his franchise tender He can't be traded till he signs, my question was can he sign for less then get traded? Let's say one year 5 million, which is more than he'd make if he does wait till the last 5 games. He doesn't want to play for Pittsburgh because he feels they overuse him and he does have a point. Its one thing with a huge long-term deal, its another thing when they won't give him one. Likely not happening, but he is a perfect fit for the rest of the year and we won't come close to using him like Pittsburgh does. |
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