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2018 Patriots Season Thread
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Post by costpet on Sept 26, 2018 17:36:40 GMT -5
I don't care how many draft picks we get. BB is a great coach. BB is a terrible drafter. Maybe he should let someone else do it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 26, 2018 17:50:24 GMT -5
I thought he couldn’t be traded until he signs his franchise tender He can't be traded till he signs, my question was can he sign for less then get traded? Let's say one year 5 million, which is more than he'd make if he does wait till the last 5 games. He doesn't want to play for Pittsburgh because he feels they overuse him and he does have a point. Its one thing with a huge long-term deal, its another thing when they won't give him one. Likely not happening, but he is a perfect fit for the rest of the year and we won't come close to using him like Pittsburgh does. Pretty sure he can’t - but not positive. They can withdraw the offer but then he’s a free agent. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 26, 2018 18:59:20 GMT -5
Correct. Tenders need to be signed. Same was true with Butle's RFA tender last year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2018 20:00:10 GMT -5
The way this season is going, you have to wonder if the Patriots would be better off packaging Brady, Edelman, and Gronk to get a huge package.
This team can not win it all with the way this is trending.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2018 11:10:23 GMT -5
I don't care how many draft picks we get. BB is a great coach. BB is a terrible drafter. Maybe he should let someone else do it. I just have to ask, what are you basing that on? Overall I think he's one of the better GMs at drafting players. Heck I wish he'd draft more players rather than keep trading for so many veteran players. The amount of picks traded for Veterans over the last three years in staggering. I loath the fact he didn't draft a WR and RB for example. Not because he's bad at drafting, but because he prefers special team players like Slater and Patterson. Which in turns limits your options as they take up so many roster spots. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2018 11:15:19 GMT -5
The way this season is going, you have to wonder if the Patriots would be better off packaging Brady, Edelman, and Gronk to get a huge package. This team can not win it all with the way this is trending. I'll remember this post, things aren't that bad. We made the Superbowl with Van Noy, Flowers and Roberts at LB. I fully expect a bunch of trades and like normal we'll get better as the season goes along. Lets wait till both Edleman and Gordon play before throwing in the towel on the season. You also can't trade Brady, nor would he want to be traded. He'd likely just retire. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 27, 2018 16:20:35 GMT -5
The way this season is going, you have to wonder if the Patriots would be better off packaging Brady, Edelman, and Gronk to get a huge package. This team can not win it all with the way this is trending. I'll remember this post, things aren't that bad. We made the Superbowl with Van Noy, Flowers and Roberts at LB. I fully expect a bunch of trades and like normal we'll get better as the season goes along. Lets wait till both Edleman and Gordon play before throwing in the towel on the season. You also can't trade Brady, nor would he want to be traded. He'd likely just retire. You can’t package those guys up either. The cap ramifications of trading those guys would be enormous. Prorated signing bonuses hitting your books, salaries coming back, etc etc |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2018 16:27:24 GMT -5
The way this season is going, you have to wonder if the Patriots would be better off packaging Brady, Edelman, and Gronk to get a huge package. This team can not win it all with the way this is trending. I'll remember this post, things aren't that bad. We made the Superbowl with Van Noy, Flowers and Roberts at LB. I fully expect a bunch of trades and like normal we'll get better as the season goes along. Lets wait till both Edleman and Gordon play before throwing in the towel on the season. You also can't trade Brady, nor would he want to be traded. He'd likely just retire. The personal on defense isn't good enough. You better be right about the trades aspect, because this defense is even worse than last year. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 27, 2018 17:50:33 GMT -5
Trades in season almost always have a minimal impact because of a lack of chemistry and understanding the playbook.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2018 22:35:53 GMT -5
Trades in season almost always have a minimal impact because of a lack of chemistry and understanding the playbook. Yeap which is why I don't like the upside of this defense and why I don't think they're getting very far if the offense isn't superhuman like. At least you had Butler at corner last year. This year you have a bust in Jason McCourty and a mediocre Eric Rowe. Not to mention Hightower is a shell of himself now and none of the slot corners and linebackers can cover to save their lives. Ohh and when Tre Flowers goes down for one game, the whole D-Line turns into a puddle and forces no pressure on the opposing QB. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2018 23:13:16 GMT -5
I'll remember this post, things aren't that bad. We made the Superbowl with Van Noy, Flowers and Roberts at LB. I fully expect a bunch of trades and like normal we'll get better as the season goes along. Lets wait till both Edleman and Gordon play before throwing in the towel on the season. You also can't trade Brady, nor would he want to be traded. He'd likely just retire. The personal on defense isn't good enough. You better be right about the trades aspect, because this defense is even worse than last year. This defense has more talent than last year and I don't think its close. Just a new defensive coordinator and they need to gel. It won't be great, but it will greatly improve. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2018 23:21:30 GMT -5
Trades in season almost always have a minimal impact because of a lack of chemistry and understanding the playbook. Yeap which is why I don't like the upside of this defense and why I don't think they're getting very far if the offense isn't superhuman like. At least you had Butler at corner last year. This year you have a bust in Jason McCourty and a mediocre Eric Rowe. Not to mention Hightower is a shell of himself now and none of the slot corners and linebackers can cover to save their lives. Ohh and when Tre Flowers goes down for one game, the whole D-Line turns into a puddle and forces no pressure on the opposing QB. Outside of Butler it's almost the same D, yet has more depth. New defensive coordinator and a lot of new guys. McCourty is learning to play safety, which he just started very late in camp. Jonathan Jones is a very good slot corner, he made plays last week. Our two rookie corners look good, its just going to take a little time. We don't have coverage linebackers, but we didn't last year either. We have a lot more DE depth and Rivers just played in his first game I really don't see a huge talent issue, more coach and players messing up. It's going to improve. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2018 23:25:29 GMT -5
Yeap which is why I don't like the upside of this defense and why I don't think they're getting very far if the offense isn't superhuman like. At least you had Butler at corner last year. This year you have a bust in Jason McCourty and a mediocre Eric Rowe. Not to mention Hightower is a shell of himself now and none of the slot corners and linebackers can cover to save their lives. Ohh and when Tre Flowers goes down for one game, the whole D-Line turns into a puddle and forces no pressure on the opposing QB. Outside of Butler it's almost the same D, yet has more depth. New defensive coordinator and a lot of new guys. McCourty is learning to play safety, which he just started very late in camp. Jonathan Jones is a very good slot corner, he made plays last week. Our two rookie corners look good, its just going to take a little time. We don't have coverage linebackers, but we didn't last year either. We have a lot more DE depth and Rivers just played in his first game I really don't see a huge talent issue, more coach and players messing up. It's going to improve. I hope you're right because personally, I don't see it. Butler is a huge piece missing on this defense. The Patriots have no one on that right side that can cover very well. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 28, 2018 6:35:52 GMT -5
Outside of Butler it's almost the same D, yet has more depth. New defensive coordinator and a lot of new guys. McCourty is learning to play safety, which he just started very late in camp. Jonathan Jones is a very good slot corner, he made plays last week. Our two rookie corners look good, its just going to take a little time. We don't have coverage linebackers, but we didn't last year either. We have a lot more DE depth and Rivers just played in his first game I really don't see a huge talent issue, more coach and players messing up. It's going to improve. I hope you're right because personally, I don't see it. Butler is a huge piece missing on this defense. The Patriots have no one on that right side that can cover very well. People need to stop living off of Butlers name. He wasn’t very good last year, was decent during the regular season, but was borderline unplayable in the playoffs. He was awful versus the Jaguars in the AFC championship game. Everyone assumes that Belichick sitting Butler cost them the game but if he played the way he had been playing for weeks it probably wouldn’t have mattered. In short, he sucked. I don’t know how he played last week, but thru the first 2 weeks of this year he was statistically the worst corner in football. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 28, 2018 6:50:47 GMT -5
I hope you're right because personally, I don't see it. Butler is a huge piece missing on this defense. The Patriots have no one on that right side that can cover very well. People need to stop living off of Butlers name. He wasn’t very good last year, was decent during the regular season, but was borderline unplayable in the playoffs. He was awful versus the Jaguars in the AFC championship game. Everyone assumes that Belichick sitting Butler cost them the game but if he played the way he had been playing for weeks it probably wouldn’t have mattered. In short, he sucked. I don’t know how he played last week, but thru the first 2 weeks of this year he was statistically the worst corner in football. The Patriots could use decent on the other corner position opposite to Gilmore. They don't have it right now. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 28, 2018 7:43:45 GMT -5
Keys to Defensive Improvement:
1. Health of Flowers/Chung - both are critical to what NE tries to do on D. NE's pass rush, for one, looks completely different without Flowers
2. Danny Shelton or Malcom Brown - Shelton makes sense. New guy in a new defense. Taking a while to "get it". But Brown? He's shown flashes in the past and, in a contract year, you'd think THIS is the year to peak. He's either injured or . . . maybe he's just hit his peak.
3. Improvement at LB. Unfortunately, this will likely require a trade since Bentley's recent IG post certainly sounded like a guy who was done for the year. I've been trying to ask the writers about Rivers (see my comments above) but haven't gotten a response. Saw a Kyed Mailbag question that asked about Reddick and Buchanon in Arizona (neither playing a lot).
4. Return of Dawson in some productive fashion. As bad as Butler was towards the end of last year, nobody is stepping up to replace him. JJones is very good in the slot. I have 0 ability to determine if that would be translatable on the outside. Of course, if Dawson is limited to slot (his projected role coming out of the draft), then Rowe or an in season acquisition will be required.
5. Proper use of Hightower. It's clear he's not physically capable of playing in space like he used to. Some (Mike Lombardi at the forefront) thinks he needs to move to the EDGE. Unfortunately, #3 above makes that difficult even if it's the a good idea. One would also think that Bill would've signed an off the ball guy instead of Simon if they were going down this road. I still think they can use him better (and maybe some of the other items on this list will hide his issues).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2018 11:38:04 GMT -5
I hope you're right because personally, I don't see it. Butler is a huge piece missing on this defense. The Patriots have no one on that right side that can cover very well. People need to stop living off of Butlers name. He wasn’t very good last year, was decent during the regular season, but was borderline unplayable in the playoffs. He was awful versus the Jaguars in the AFC championship game. Everyone assumes that Belichick sitting Butler cost them the game but if he played the way he had been playing for weeks it probably wouldn’t have mattered. In short, he sucked. I don’t know how he played last week, but thru the first 2 weeks of this year he was statistically the worst corner in football. PFF currently rates him above average. He certainly not playing up to his contract, but where are you getting he's the worst corner? He ranks 65th and teams play 4-5 corner. He is rated above Rowe is average and rated 80th. So yea Butler isn't that elite guy anymore but he was a lot better than the guys that played instead of him, a lot better. Like twice as good. Jordan Richards is a SS that can't cover, the guy Bond whatever his name was etc. Pedro just FYI Jones is rated good and is rated as the 22nd best corner by PFF. PFF also has Jason McCourty rated as a CB as good and #11 for this year. The issue isn't our CBs, not even close. Our defensive coordinator can't find a way to stop the run and rush the passer. Everytime he tries to do one, teams take advantage of the other. Its why I'd switch out Grissom for Valentine. Give him another weapon to try and find what works. He kinda seems clueless right now. I don't care how good your CB are if the team has all day to throw it won't matter. It is clear that Rowe isn't a #2 CB, I'd try him at safety frankly. Thing is he didn't even play last game. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2018 11:48:03 GMT -5
We had three players playing in their first game last week in Rivers, Jackson, and Crossen. In the long run that will be good for the team, but add it to all the new guys and we had a crap load of guys playing that had played two games or less as a Patriot.
What is Bentley's injury? The only thing I've seen is he got up slowly after an OT landed on him.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 28, 2018 12:13:37 GMT -5
Based on past history lets not think that the pats are going to crash and burn. Lets see over the next 3 or 4 weeks whether they can beat Miami? Whether the D gets good enough to be a playoff team and whether with the return of JE the offense looks any better and helps take the pressure off the D by increasing their ability to score. I would say they do not look like a playoff team. And I do not see what has been there in the past with an explosive offense to cover for a medicare defense.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 28, 2018 13:09:33 GMT -5
People need to stop living off of Butlers name. He wasn’t very good last year, was decent during the regular season, but was borderline unplayable in the playoffs. He was awful versus the Jaguars in the AFC championship game. Everyone assumes that Belichick sitting Butler cost them the game but if he played the way he had been playing for weeks it probably wouldn’t have mattered. In short, he sucked. I don’t know how he played last week, but thru the first 2 weeks of this year he was statistically the worst corner in football. PFF currently rates him above average. He certainly not playing up to his contract, but where are you getting he's the worst corner? He ranks 65th and teams play 4-5 corner. He is rated above Rowe is average and rated 80th. So yea Butler isn't that elite guy anymore but he was a lot better than the guys that played instead of him, a lot better. Like twice as good. Jordan Richards is a SS that can't cover, the guy Bond whatever his name was etc. Pedro just FYI Jones is rated good and is rated as the 22nd best corner by PFF. PFF also has Jason McCourty rated as a CB as good and #11 for this year. The issue isn't our CBs, not even close. Our defensive coordinator can't find a way to stop the run and rush the passer. Everytime he tries to do one, teams take advantage of the other. Its why I'd switch out Grissom for Valentine. Give him another weapon to try and find what works. He kinda seems clueless right now. I don't care how good your CB are if the team has all day to throw it won't matter. It is clear that Rowe isn't a #2 CB, I'd try him at safety frankly. Thing is he didn't even play last game. I said after the first 2 weeks of this season he was statistically the worst; I don’t know what he did last week. This was from According to Scott Barrett of Pro Football Focus, Butler had been targeted 17 times, allowing a league-high 257 yards and league-worst three touchdowns in coverage. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 28, 2018 13:10:54 GMT -5
In his mailbag, Kyed thought it was pec or shoulder.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 29, 2018 14:51:54 GMT -5
We worked out Bershad Perriman and while I wouldn't sign him to the 53 man roster, I'd love to add him to the practice squad. Looks like he wants a spot on a teams 53 roster though.
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Post by costpet on Sept 29, 2018 19:41:34 GMT -5
BB to Brady: “tomorrow against Miami, I want you to throw.”
Brady: “To anybody I know.?”
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 30, 2018 11:14:30 GMT -5
The Steelers would get a 3rd for letting Bell walk. It'll take more than a 3rd to trade for him. They would maybe get a comp third rounder, which is a lesser pick than any teams third rounder. He can get injured or not get the mega deal he expects. They'd also have to wait an extra year for the pick and if traded they get it in this years draft. Our comp picks for Butler and Solder weren't in this draft, we have to wait a year. We get them next year. So a 4th this year is like a third next year. The Steelers are seeking a 2nd plus a good player. He's probably going nowhere. www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000967510/article/pittsburgh-steelers-actively-shopping-leveon-bell |
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 30, 2018 12:19:59 GMT -5
You now have Gronk, White, and Gordon in the red zone, and McDaniels elects to go with two run plays inside the 10.
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