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2018 Patriots Season Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 30, 2018 13:37:58 GMT -5
Sony Michel breaking out is probably the best story in this game. The other story of this game is Miami throwing up over themselves. Stupid penalties by them, a terrible fumble that results in a TD the very next play. Miami is so god awful. It's a wonder how they ever win a game, yet they're 3-0. They must have went against some pretty bad teams to start the year.
Add- Game is literally over by halftime.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 30, 2018 13:44:25 GMT -5
Panic button has been unpressed.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2018 13:46:48 GMT -5
Sony Michel breaking out is probably the best story in this game. The other story of this game is Miami throwing up over themselves. Stupid penalties by them, a terrible fumble that results in a TD the very next play. Miami is so god awful. It's a wonder how they ever win a game, yet they're 3-0. They must have went against some pretty bad teams to start the year. Add- Game is literally over by halftime. So no credit for our D? There is a reason they look like crap! |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 30, 2018 13:55:41 GMT -5
Sony Michel breaking out is probably the best story in this game. The other story of this game is Miami throwing up over themselves. Stupid penalties by them, a terrible fumble that results in a TD the very next play. Miami is so god awful. It's a wonder how they ever win a game, yet they're 3-0. They must have went against some pretty bad teams to start the year. Add- Game is literally over by halftime. So no credit for our D? There is a reason they look like crap! Nope. Tannehill blows. They can't even snap the ball right today. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2018 13:59:12 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2018 14:01:22 GMT -5
So no credit for our D? There is a reason they look like crap! Nope. Tannehill blows. They can't even snap the ball right today. That was one play, I really wonder sometimes if we are watching the same games. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 30, 2018 14:03:32 GMT -5
What a freaking throw by Brady. Rainbow pass. Beautiful.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 30, 2018 14:06:01 GMT -5
Nope. Tannehill blows. They can't even snap the ball right today. That was one play, I really wonder sometimes if we are watching the same games. Did I mention that the Dolphins are also making stupid penalties too? Yes I did. They also had a unsportsmanlike penalty on a first down that cost them 13 yards (half the distance to the goalline) effectively killing another drive in the second quarter by the offense too. The Patriots have one sack Umass. They're not doing anything special. The Dolphins are yes, throwing up all over themselves today. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 30, 2018 14:10:42 GMT -5
Ohh look Tannehill throws a terrible pass and underthrows his wide receiver on a go route. Yeah I'm sorry, the Dolphins blow.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 30, 2018 14:34:56 GMT -5
Badly needed victory...bravo!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2018 14:48:08 GMT -5
That was one play, I really wonder sometimes if we are watching the same games. Did I mention that the Dolphins are also making stupid penalties too? Yes I did. They also had a unsportsmanlike penalty on a first down that cost them 13 yards (half the distance to the goalline) effectively killing another drive in the second quarter by the offense too. The Patriots have one sack Umass. They're not doing anything special. The Dolphins are yes, throwing up all over themselves today. Its the cornerbacks you said weren't any good not allowing the receivers to get open. They actually have been impressive getting 5 QB hits while rushing 3 and 4 all game long. You seem to be judging the D based off sacks, but we are playing the opposite of that. Extra corners playing man to man to not allow anyone to get open. Tannehill hasn't had all day to pass with a clean pocket and they have finally stoped the run. I guess you can just look at sacks though, that makes sense. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 30, 2018 14:52:14 GMT -5
I guarantee they'd just take the comp pick before they'd trade him to the Patriots. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 30, 2018 15:17:49 GMT -5
I guarantee they'd just take the comp pick before they'd trade him to the Patriots. Some chatter about a Bell for Earl Thomas swap. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 30, 2018 16:05:32 GMT -5
Did I mention that the Dolphins are also making stupid penalties too? Yes I did. They also had a unsportsmanlike penalty on a first down that cost them 13 yards (half the distance to the goalline) effectively killing another drive in the second quarter by the offense too. The Patriots have one sack Umass. They're not doing anything special. The Dolphins are yes, throwing up all over themselves today. Its the cornerbacks you said weren't any good not allowing the receivers to get open. They actually have been impressive getting 5 QB hits while rushing 3 and 4 all game long. You seem to be judging the D based off sacks, but we are playing the opposite of that. Extra corners playing man to man to not allow anyone to get open. Tannehill hasn't had all day to pass with a clean pocket and they have finally stoped the run. I guess you can just look at sacks though, that makes sense. Tannehill is a bad QB and the Dolphins don't have a ton of talent on offense. It's pretty easy to cover something when no talent is there. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2018 16:28:07 GMT -5
Its the cornerbacks you said weren't any good not allowing the receivers to get open. They actually have been impressive getting 5 QB hits while rushing 3 and 4 all game long. You seem to be judging the D based off sacks, but we are playing the opposite of that. Extra corners playing man to man to not allow anyone to get open. Tannehill hasn't had all day to pass with a clean pocket and they have finally stoped the run. I guess you can just look at sacks though, that makes sense. Tannehill is a bad QB and the Dolphins don't have a ton of talent on offense. It's pretty easy to cover something when no talent is there. Tannehill came into this game completing 73% of his passes, 7 TDs and a 121.8 QB rating through 3 games. His team was 3-0, yet according to you they suck and have zero talent. We allowed half the passing and half the rushing yards they normally get. They beat a Titans team that is 3-1, just beat the Eagles and held the Jags to 9 points after Bortles killed us. They came in with the 11th ranked offense and 6th ranked defense. You can keep this up all you want, but its only going to get worse for you. You'd be better off just admitting you made a mistake about our CBs than blaming it on the other team. Our CBs are the strength of our D, not a weakness. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 30, 2018 16:37:11 GMT -5
Tannehill is a bad QB and the Dolphins don't have a ton of talent on offense. It's pretty easy to cover something when no talent is there. Tannehill came into this game completing 73% of his passes, 7 TDs and a 121.8 QB rating through 3 games. His team was 3-0, yet according to you they suck and have zero talent. We allowed half the passing and half the rushing yards they normally get. They beat a Titans team that is 3-1, just beat the Eagles and held the Jags to 9 points after Bortles killed us. They came in with the 11th ranked offense and 6th ranked defense. You can keep this up all you want, but its only going to get worse for you. You'd be better off just admitting you made a mistake about our CBs than blaming it on the other team. Our CBs are the strength of our D, not a weakness. I'm not going to admit the Dolphins are any good based off of 3 games. I will admit the Patriots played better overall. I will also admit that Tannehill is the only QB the Pats defense has looked good against. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2018 17:29:35 GMT -5
Overall a bunch of positive stuff. Michel looked good, seems you need to run him outside in space to be fully effective. John Simon made an impact with a sack, but more impressive he was second on team with 5 tackles. Gordon caught both targets and both were third down conversions, while also drawing a penalty on a third target. He did exactly what I hoped, he drew the coverage. On Gronks longest reception they kept a sefety in to help with him, leaving Gronk one on one. Can't wait to see him play more as it seemed his snap total was rather limited. Gotta give Jackson some props for his first interception in his second game.
The biggest difference though was we went back to screen plays, which just makes sense. Back in the day that was our bread and butter. You just don't target Allen on those plays, which seems like commom sense. We really need Hollister to get healthy and stay healthy. Add him with Edleman next game and outside of RB depth we look good to go. Ain't no trading of Brady, Gronk and Edleman happening, just another Superbowl! Really this offense looks primed if we get another good RB or Burkhead can come back from going from horrible to maybe the top offense in the league.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 30, 2018 18:10:50 GMT -5
I'm just glad that the greatest WR in Patriots history in Julian Edelman is finally back.
Tom Brady is obviously my favorite Patriot of all time, but Edelman is a pretty close second on that list.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2018 20:54:41 GMT -5
m.ranker.com/list/best-new-england-patriots-wide-receivers/ranker-nflI love Edelman, but he's not yet and likely never will be the greatest WR in Patriots history. Moss had one less TD in 2007 than Edelman has for his eight year career. In four years Moss had almost as many yards and over twice the TDs and that was really only 3 years! Heck Edelman can't come close to matching even Welkers production. He's the best WR we ever drafted, but not the greatest WR in Patriots history. I have to say the numbers surprised me, I thought he was closer to Welker frankly. Overall that list is sad, to say Hogan is the 8th best guy ever. Wow and they might be right. We need to draft some WRs.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 30, 2018 21:20:44 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe according to the stats it says otherwise, but Welker was never there when you needed him in big games. Edelman is one of the biggest reasons for Tom's last 2 rings. Moss was great too. It's close between those two.
The uninspiring list of all time Patriots receivers is really sad. This franchise truly was the Browns before Brady showed up.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 30, 2018 21:39:51 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe according to the stats it says otherwise, but Welker was never there when you needed him in big games. Edelman is one of the biggest reasons for Tom's last 2 rings. Moss was great too. It's close between those two. The uninspiring list of all time Patriots receivers is really sad. This franchise truly was the Browns before Brady showed up. Stanley Morgan, Daryl Stingley, Deion Branch, Troy Brown.....I started paying attention in 1974, last year of Plunkett and just before Grogan became the starter. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 1, 2018 10:14:32 GMT -5
So Josh Gordon did some nice things yesterday, granted it was a blow out but you can see he catches the ball differently. Brady will love him, seems like he already does. He’s going to love throwing him a deep ball. I, like many get on Brady for not being a good deep ball thrower, but he’s got to be basically perfect to hit these tiny receivers he has. Gordon is big, long, fast and strong in traffic. The margin for error is WAY bigger with a guy like him than it is a guy like Cooks or Hogan or Dorsett, etc. Gordon will be very valuable to the offense. If yesterday’s talk is any indication then I think I was wrong on his ability to pick up enough of the offense to help too much. More time will tell as more tape is available, but fact is even if he’s limited he can win 1 on 1 battles and if Gronk and Edelman are healthy you can’t double Gordon so even limited routes will be effective.
HOWEVER, this is where the risk comes in. Everyone pegged this deal as high risk/low reward. This guy is one misstep from being gone. If he’s great for the majority of the season then all of a sudden week 16 he’s gone then this team could get screwed because they relied on him rather than bringing in another receiver. For this reason, I would still love to see them make a move. I would love it if they could convince Dez to come in and play half the year on short money. Think about red zone offense with white in the backfield, Gronk, Dez, Gordon and Edelman as the pass catchers.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 1, 2018 23:35:17 GMT -5
I think you mean low risk/high reward, that is how everyone pegged the deal.
Almost all of the risk is he gets in trouble, but if the opportunity cost is Dez Bryant I'm ok with that. They just kept passing on him and before Gordon I would have done it. Ask yourself do you want Dez around Gordon? I don't. Who do you cut? You can't just add a 6th guy, when you also have Slater. If the right guy became available I'd jump at it. I just don't think Dez is that guy, not right now. More like a Larry Fitzgerald type guy, heck even then he'd have to be willing to cut his salary in like half. It seems to make sense though, he's old, that team sucks, looks like a full rebuild and he's a free agent after the year.
Lets target a RB, heck even a TE to upgrade from Allen. Thus giving us the weapons needed if something happens. Can Burkhead come back? Can Hollister get healthy and stay healthy? They seem determined to use Patterson in every way imaginable, so we might be talking about replacing Hogan. He hasn't look great, seems to be struggling getting open. I just want to see if that's because he moved up the depth charts or he just isn't the same player.
I do have to say I hate the early trade deadline in football, October 30th 4pm. Halfway point instead of the normal 2/3 point of the other sports. It just seems crazy that the sport that is the most physical and thus losses more players than any other sport has the earliest trade deadline.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 2, 2018 4:37:42 GMT -5
Yeah I agree the trade deadline is way too early. They should push it back until late November.
Larry Fitzgerald would be probably the best guy to go get. Either that or a linebacker of some sorts. In fact, they probably need the linebacker.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 2, 2018 6:09:03 GMT -5
I think you mean low risk/high reward, that is how everyone pegged the deal. Almost all of the risk is he gets in trouble, but if the opportunity cost is Dez Bryant I'm ok with that. They just kept passing on him and before Gordon I would have done it. Ask yourself do you want Dez around Gordon? I don't. Who do you cut? You can't just add a 6th guy, when you also have Slater. If the right guy became available I'd jump at it. I just don't think Dez is that guy, not right now. More like a Larry Fitzgerald type guy, heck even then he'd have to be willing to cut his salary in like half. It seems to make sense though, he's old, that team sucks, looks like a full rebuild and he's a free agent after the year. Lets target a RB, heck even a TE to upgrade from Allen. Thus giving us the weapons needed if something happens. Can Burkhead come back? Can Hollister get healthy and stay healthy? They seem determined to use Patterson in every way imaginable, so we might be talking about replacing Hogan. He hasn't look great, seems to be struggling getting open. I just want to see if that's because he moved up the depth charts or he just isn't the same player. I do have to say I hate the early trade deadline in football, October 30th 4pm. Halfway point instead of the normal 2/3 point of the other sports. It just seems crazy that the sport that is the most physical and thus losses more players than any other sport has the earliest trade deadline. Yes, definitely meant low risk/high reward. Dez was just thrown out there because of him being readily available. It’s more the point if Gordon stops them from upgrading the WR that’s the risk. Hogan, just was never that good so now that he’s moved up he’s more exposed. I think you under-rate Allen and what he brings because he is over-paid. He’s a beast as a blocker; but did struggle there for a game or two with the rest of the team. Hollister is a shame; guy clearly can’t stay healthy. This latest injury was him falling at practice from what I heard. Wasn’t anything that should have injured someone let alone keep him out for any length of time. Maybe it’s a freak thing, but not trending well for him. It’s too bad because I think he’s legit and would add a real weapon here. |
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