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2018 Patriots Season Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 2, 2018 6:11:19 GMT -5
Yeah I agree the trade deadline is way too early. They should push it back until late November. Larry Fitzgerald would be probably the best guy to go get. Either that or a linebacker of some sorts. In fact, they probably need the linebacker. Simon looked pretty good in limited action with no time to prepare. He comes with rave reviews as a leader and smart guy so he’s a guy that could have a true role in solidifying things for the defense. Maybe he can have an impact like Ayers did a few years ago. Hard to say because Miami was so bad and not just because we were great on D. They need to do it again versus the Colts then do it again on the road. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 2, 2018 15:04:21 GMT -5
I think you mean low risk/high reward, that is how everyone pegged the deal. Almost all of the risk is he gets in trouble, but if the opportunity cost is Dez Bryant I'm ok with that. They just kept passing on him and before Gordon I would have done it. Ask yourself do you want Dez around Gordon? I don't. Who do you cut? You can't just add a 6th guy, when you also have Slater. If the right guy became available I'd jump at it. I just don't think Dez is that guy, not right now. More like a Larry Fitzgerald type guy, heck even then he'd have to be willing to cut his salary in like half. It seems to make sense though, he's old, that team sucks, looks like a full rebuild and he's a free agent after the year. Lets target a RB, heck even a TE to upgrade from Allen. Thus giving us the weapons needed if something happens. Can Burkhead come back? Can Hollister get healthy and stay healthy? They seem determined to use Patterson in every way imaginable, so we might be talking about replacing Hogan. He hasn't look great, seems to be struggling getting open. I just want to see if that's because he moved up the depth charts or he just isn't the same player. I do have to say I hate the early trade deadline in football, October 30th 4pm. Halfway point instead of the normal 2/3 point of the other sports. It just seems crazy that the sport that is the most physical and thus losses more players than any other sport has the earliest trade deadline. Yes, definitely meant low risk/high reward. Dez was just thrown out there because of him being readily available. It’s more the point if Gordon stops them from upgrading the WR that’s the risk. Hogan, just was never that good so now that he’s moved up he’s more exposed. I think you under-rate Allen and what he brings because he is over-paid. He’s a beast as a blocker; but did struggle there for a game or two with the rest of the team. Hollister is a shame; guy clearly can’t stay healthy. This latest injury was him falling at practice from what I heard. Wasn’t anything that should have injured someone let alone keep him out for any length of time. Maybe it’s a freak thing, but not trending well for him. It’s too bad because I think he’s legit and would add a real weapon here. Hogan was called 7-11 on the Bills because he was open 24/7. Him getting open was never an issue before. He was what he was, a good #3 WR. So his role has changed being more of a slot guy so far this year. I'm hoping that along with the better corners is the issue. If not than we can certainly use an upgrade. They had like 15 chances to bring in Dez, they passed everytime. Heck they were bringing in Corey Coleman types before Dez. Let's say Detriot just keeps losing games and Hogan just isn't the same player. You could target Golden Tate, but just like with Fitzgerald it won't be easy. He'll have to restructure, Shaq Masons extension used up so much of our cap space. Which really means those guys are off the table unless they want to just give up money. Making trades for those type of guys really hard, which is why they jumped on Gordon. What if Detriot wins a few more games over the next month? They likely won't trade Tate if they have even a small chance at the playoffs. I don't think there are a bunch of guys like those two, last year of contract, solid Vets that could blend into the offense easily and their teams would be willing to actually trade them. We'll get a clearer picture in a few more weeks as too who might be available. Dwayne Allen ranks 55th among TE's, which is horrible considering the talent at TE in the NFL. Anyone that plays fantasy football knows there aren't a lot of good TEs. Sure he is a good blocker, but those guys are a dime a dozen. What got Allen his big contract was he was a very good blocker that could also catch the ball and get TDs. He was a weapon. He has two targets, both in the last game for -4 yards. Brady with almost no weapons has targeted our FB more than Allen, Develin has 7 targets and 4 catches and he really sucks at catching the ball. So its not like you are going to make teams think about guarding Allen, they will just act like he's another OL. He's not some crazy good blocker compared to a OT. He's not injured or playing hurt, just Brady has zero confidence in him, he'd rather target our FB. Which is really saying something. He's a major step down from even guys like Daniel Graham and Michael Hono whatever it was. Those guys weren't very good catching the ball, but Brady trusted them and would actually use them in the passing game. Made teams actually think about them as receivers. At this point I don't even know if Brady would target a wide open Allen or worse yet if he could even catch the ball. So while his salary bugs me, the real issue is he's a zero in the passing game. Which just makes him another OT. I still can't believe the ran a screen play for him, he moves about as well as Trent Brown does. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 2, 2018 15:09:50 GMT -5
Yeah I agree the trade deadline is way too early. They should push it back until late November. Larry Fitzgerald would be probably the best guy to go get. Either that or a linebacker of some sorts. In fact, they probably need the linebacker. Simon looked pretty good in limited action with no time to prepare. He comes with rave reviews as a leader and smart guy so he’s a guy that could have a true role in solidifying things for the defense. Maybe he can have an impact like Ayers did a few years ago. Hard to say because Miami was so bad and not just because we were great on D. They need to do it again versus the Colts then do it again on the road. For me the game is the Chiefs. You'll see how good our D is in that game. At that point in the season, 6th game it shouldn't be the new guys don't yet get the system or a new defensive coordinator. They also have a very good offense will all kinds of weapons. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2018 14:14:17 GMT -5
www.patspulpit.com/2018/10/3/17931436/week-4-new-england-patriots-miami-dolphins-snap-count-report-josh-gordon-trey-flowers-patrick-chungIt confirms what I thought happend John Simon played DE, not LB. They also made Rivers, Grissom, and Davis inactive for the game. Just a guess but I'd waive Grissom to make run for Edelman. Getting a DE off waivers that can make an impact like Simon did rushing the passer and stoping the run is crazy rare in the middle of the season. You see guys like Eric Lee make a few plays and get a few sacks, but rarely a guy that is a complete player. Off the street to #2 DE in a week is crazy impressive. What to do with Rowe is going to be very interesting. He has talent, but is always injured. He also isn't a #2 CB. Given his size I would be interested in him at safety or even acting like a coverage LB in passing downs. If that doesn't fit I'd look at trading him for a RB. McCourty looks better than Rowe does. On another note, Britt filed a grievance because he was injured when we released him, which seemed to be a known fact. Yet the article said we only had like 1.5 million in cap space and could lose more if Rowe wins the case without us settling. If that is the true number we won't be trading for any big names. Heck we won't be able to do much of anything for the rest of the year.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 3, 2018 15:38:59 GMT -5
Agree that Simon is a DE but I do wonder if some of these snap counts (not necessarily his) don't take into account what they did on the field at the time of the snap. I haven't broken it down but I'd imagine that, for some of the snaps, Flowers rushed from an inside position (effectively making him a Rushing DT for that snap).
Would love to see those snap counts.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2018 16:46:01 GMT -5
The article claims 49 snaps for the D, I get 50. 25 Pass, 18 Runs, and 7 Punts. Our DEs played 93 snaps. I don't know if they play on 4th down or who does so I can't say for sure. From watching the game, when they normally move those guys inside is 3rd down passing plays. That game they seemed to play 3 man fronts and added more CBs on third down. So if I had to guess we didn't see many plays with our DEs playing DT. Those three man rushes sure looked like two DEs and a DT. Thing is that will change from game to game, as this was the first time they played a ton of 3 man fronts this season.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 3, 2018 18:25:14 GMT -5
I was seeing 49 as well (Volin, PatsCap, etc - not sure where they get them from). Football Outsiders had that number as well.
I didn't think Punts Counted. Thought they'd be ST snaps but I haven't added them up like you did so I'll defer.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 3, 2018 19:25:32 GMT -5
I was seeing 49 as well (Volin, PatsCap, etc - not sure where they get them from). Football Outsiders had that number as well. I didn't think Punts Counted. Thought they'd be ST snaps but I haven't added them up like you did so I'll defer. There is a difference between defensive snaps and special teams. He may be missing penalties. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2018 20:36:00 GMT -5
Per ESPNs team stats total plays for Dolphins was 45, they also had 10 penalties. They don't break them down by offense or defense though. I guess it could be 4 on offense, but I would have thought it would have been higher watching the game, maybe not.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 4, 2018 19:33:50 GMT -5
Edelman, I love you. 3 catches on 3 targets. Brady 9/9 in the first drive of the game.
Edelman is the key to this offense and opens EVERYTHING else up.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 4, 2018 20:28:38 GMT -5
Edelman, I love you. 3 catches on 3 targets. Brady 9/9 in the first drive of the game. Edelman is the key to this offense and opens EVERYTHING else up. He just had a 10 yard punt return that was negated by a penalty that made it seem like his knee is 100% back to normal. Michel looks awesome now. And it seems like Edleman can help get White open also.. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 4, 2018 21:35:30 GMT -5
Hogan has been one big no show all year so far...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 4, 2018 21:55:13 GMT -5
Defense still is mediocre at best and is letting the Colts back into this game.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 4, 2018 22:07:05 GMT -5
What a catch by Gordon for Brady's 500 TD throw.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 4, 2018 22:10:18 GMT -5
YES! Jones INT!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 4, 2018 22:10:52 GMT -5
Defense still is mediocre at best and is letting the Colts back into this game. What do you expect, an elite D? The new rules make that almost impossible. They have three turnovers and have made a bunch of plays against a good QB, while stopping in the run. |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 4, 2018 22:12:30 GMT -5
What a catch by Gordon for Brady's 500 TD throw. I'm already more than impressed by the performance of Gordon. He's added more than I expected in 2 games than I expected all year. This year reeks of a typical Pats season where they start 1-2 or 2-2 and end up 13-3. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 4, 2018 22:35:22 GMT -5
Defense still is mediocre at best and is letting the Colts back into this game. What do you expect, an elite D? The new rules make that almost impossible. They have three turnovers and have made a bunch of plays against a good QB, while stopping in the run. Something better than 24 points to a bad Colts team. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 4, 2018 23:13:55 GMT -5
What do you expect, an elite D? The new rules make that almost impossible. They have three turnovers and have made a bunch of plays against a good QB, while stopping in the run. This is a good point on how football is being played and why I lost so much interest in the sport. What are the two best defenses in the league right now? Just going off the top of my head, it's got to be the Jaguars and Bears right? Both don't make you think yeah we're not scoring here ever, they can be had. Although I get that watching a Star Wars style offense like the Rams and Chiefs is more exciting than the run and grit slog that was the Ray Lewis Ravens or heck even Manning's last season where he was completely noodle armed but the Broncos defense was legendary and playing out of their minds. Now you can't breathe near the QB and it's a flag, so it constantly feels like the stakes are very low for QBs. They're only going to miss when they lose focus or fumble up the mechanics, because that constant fear that you might get murdered on the next throw is gone. And it's too bad. Incidentally, it's as boring as the current Star Wars movies. Wake me up when DEs are allowed to mammothly level the QB again. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 4, 2018 23:16:20 GMT -5
What do you expect, an elite D? The new rules make that almost impossible. They have three turnovers and have made a bunch of plays against a good QB, while stopping in the run. Something better than 24 points to a bad Colts team. The Colts came into this game 15th in scoring offense and Luck looked really good in this game. Which makes sense he had 67% completion percentage and 9 TDs coming into this game. Coming off 3 TDs last week. It seems you missed the part where the announcers said a few plays different and they could have won all four games. They aren't the Bills for example. Week after week its the teams suck. www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame/position/defenseComing into this game the Patriots rank 12th in points allowed. Yes that is how bad D has become in football. Your looking at a D that is above average. 24 points a game is average in football now. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 4, 2018 23:22:23 GMT -5
What do you expect, an elite D? The new rules make that almost impossible. They have three turnovers and have made a bunch of plays against a good QB, while stopping in the run. This is a good point on how football is being played and why I lost so much interest in the sport. What are the two best defenses in the league right now? Just going off the top of my head, it's got to be the Jaguars and Bears right? Both don't make you think yeah we're not scoring here ever, they can be had. Although I get that watching a Star Wars style offense like the Rams and Chiefs is more exciting than the run and grit slog that was the Ray Lewis Ravens or heck even Manning's last season where he was completely noodle armed but the Broncos defense was legendary and playing out of their minds. Now you can't breathe near the QB and it's a flag, so it constantly feels like the stakes are very low for QBs. They're only going to miss when they lose focus or fumble up the mechanics, because that constant fear that you might get murdered on the next throw is gone. And it's too bad. Incidentally, it's as boring as the current Star Wars movies. Wake me up when DEs are allowed to mammothly level the QB again. You won't ever see a D like Baltimore had with Ray Lewis, Trent Dilfer at QB when they won it all. You just can't play physical like that anymore. Year after year the NFL adds rules to help the offense. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 4, 2018 23:30:38 GMT -5
Something better than 24 points to a bad Colts team. The Colts came into this game 15th in scoring offense and Luck looked really good in this game. Which makes sense he had 67% completion percentage and 9 TDs coming into this game. Coming off 3 TDs last week. It seems you missed the part where the announcers said a few plays different and they could have won all four games. They aren't the Bills for example. Week after week its the teams suck. www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame/position/defenseComing into this game the Patriots rank 12th in points allowed. Yes that is how bad D has become in football. Your looking at a D that is above average. 24 points a game is average in football now. Mediocre and average are closely related imo. Either way, if 24 points is the average and is "okay," then this offense better be ready to carry this team in the playoffs. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 5, 2018 2:01:37 GMT -5
The Colts came into this game 15th in scoring offense and Luck looked really good in this game. Which makes sense he had 67% completion percentage and 9 TDs coming into this game. Coming off 3 TDs last week. It seems you missed the part where the announcers said a few plays different and they could have won all four games. They aren't the Bills for example. Week after week its the teams suck. www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame/position/defenseComing into this game the Patriots rank 12th in points allowed. Yes that is how bad D has become in football. Your looking at a D that is above average. 24 points a game is average in football now. Mediocre and average are closely related imo. Either way, if 24 points is the average and is "okay," then this offense better be ready to carry this team in the playoffs. Well that's how we've won ever since 2007. Its worked out really well. Just take our second to last possession, 3 plays 6 yards 20 seconds off the clock. Our offense is full throttle non-stop, not designed to help our D. Most teams would run the ball, heck if they did maybe that late TD with the game already over doesn't happen. Our offense, putting up big points will always hurt our D. When we had great defences we were a run first team. Allowing our D to rest and limiting the time other teams had the ball. Our offense is the opposite of that now. So we just need a D that can make some stops, get turnovers and not allow the other team to dominate the clock like Detriot did. So you have to stop the run. I also don't think we've come close to seeing this D at its best. Kinda still finding its way. First it was crazy blitzing, now its a ton of 3 man fronts. Just trying to find what the right mix is. Also our depth is very good, something I questioned in camp, but wow it looks great at every position outside of LB. We have a lot of good young players for depth when the injuries start. Enjoy the ride because this looks like a better team than last year. Brady just completed passes to 8 players and Hollister isn't even back yet. Gordon is just starting to work himself into the offense. The difference a few weeks make. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 5, 2018 2:43:02 GMT -5
Offense does look like it could be better than last year's team. At least it could have a higher ceiling. I'll give you that. Edelman at his best makes everything look better.
Hopefully there's no key injuries on offense.
I'll remain skeptical of the defense all year most likely though. They're going to be the reason the Pats lose if they do lose in the postseason this year. I'll remain hopeful that the Pats overcome deficiencies on defense like the superbowl game against Atlanta however.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 5, 2018 6:19:03 GMT -5
The offense needs to stay healthy; down to 2 running backs after being very deep there to start the year. Gordon changes the dynamics of the receiving corps but we still need both Gronk and Edelman to stay healthy. That Gordon touchdown catch was a thing of beauty and so simple. Brady isn’t a good deep ball thrower, but you have to be perfect throwing to the guys he has had to throw to so no one really would be, but Gordon is different. Jump ball down the field he gets, over throws his long arms and speed get to. Those things are huge differences.
I don’t blame the D too much for yesterday. I always wonder how much it changes their scheme when we are shredding the other team. Like the announcers said, there’s no way the Colts are stopping this offense and they didn’t. It stopped itself a couple times.
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