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2018 Patriots Season Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 5, 2018 15:52:12 GMT -5
What was the difference between our D versus Atlanta and Philadelphia? For me it was depth, we had it for the Atlanta game and didn't for the Philadelphia game. No Butler and Jones meant we were playing scrubs and our D line had zero depth. They wore down as the game went along, the Eagles had depth and made a few plays in the 4th quarter to stop us. Rowe who was the #2 guy in the Superbowl looks like the #4 CB for us currently. Our DBs had 10 pass deflections last night, an interception and a forced fumble. Offense wins championships in Football now, you just need an ok D. A defense that is better than ours in last years Superbowl, which frankly isn't hard.
I can't wait to see what they plan on doing at RB, because I'm highly confused. I can barely remember times when we only had 3 RBs on the 53. I can't every remember only have two RBs, like not once. So color me confused, they have to have some plan to address it.
I'd have to disagree that Brady isn't good throwing the deep ball. He was elite throwing passes to Moss, set all types of records. Gordon is the best deep WR since him. RJP your 100% right about small guys make it hard. As good as Cooks was, he was smaller thus making it a lot harder. Brady just hasn't had many season with an elite deep threat at WR and when he did he was crazy elite. He won an MVP award with Cooks, even without Edelman. When you look at Brady's career Hogan might be the 4th best deep WR after Moss, Cooks, and now Gordon. That is saying something! Compare the players Brady had at WR to Payton Manning for example. Manning spent his whole career playing with elite receivers. So while I don't think Brady is crazy elite at throwing the deep ball, he is very good. His arm is a lot stronger now than it was when he first came into the league. Yea he doesn't have a rocket, but he can easily throw it fifty yards.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 5, 2018 16:52:17 GMT -5
What was the difference between our D versus Atlanta and Philadelphia? Biggest difference was Hightower, hands down. He was top notch Hightower versus Atlanta. He wasn’t even there versus Philly and unfortunately this year he’s a shell thus far. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 5, 2018 17:11:44 GMT -5
Hightower was big,but I think having Flowers, Sheard, Nink, and Long was bigger. That depth allowed Flowers to be rested and he was fresh when they needed him. He was a monster when we needed him. Last year no depth, no one for the other team to worry about made Flowers not the same. Heck that group helped Hightower get the sack, which was his biggest play, he only had two tackles in the game.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 6, 2018 19:42:48 GMT -5
Cyrus Jones waived. Meanwhile, Mike Gillislee is now available. Wonder if he comes back.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 6, 2018 20:02:22 GMT -5
That would seem to make a ton of sense.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 14, 2018 17:50:05 GMT -5
Malcolm Butler continues to be arguably the worst corner in football continuing the trend from the end of last season and the playoffs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 14, 2018 18:53:27 GMT -5
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 14, 2018 21:55:33 GMT -5
This is a spectacular chokejob in the making.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 14, 2018 22:30:15 GMT -5
Patriots defense in playoff form by giving up 40 points. Ya, and I'm supposed to feel good about them?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 14, 2018 22:39:15 GMT -5
Patriots defense in playoff form by giving up 40 points. Ya, and I'm supposed to feel good about them? I take it you didn't watch the game? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 14, 2018 22:48:08 GMT -5
Patriots defense in playoff form by giving up 40 points. Ya, and I'm supposed to feel good about them? I take it you didn't watch the game? Nope playoffs were on. They had a turnover and special teams let up a kick return touchdown, but they almost melted away a game where you score 43!!!! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 14, 2018 22:59:53 GMT -5
Yea 97 yard return and a Brady fumble around our own 30 yard line. They did just fine playing against a team who averages 35 points a game through 5 games.
That team has major elite weapons and special teams and our offense added at minimum 10 points to the Cheifs total. Brady had forever to throw and acted stupid.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 14, 2018 23:04:06 GMT -5
Yea 97 yard return and a Brady fumble around our own 30 yard line. They did just fine playing against a team who averages 35 points a game through 5 games. That team has major elite weapons and special teams and our offense added at minimum 10 points to the Cheifs total. Brady had forever to throw and acted stupid. Brady put up 43 points and didn't punt the ball once. It's freaking scary knowing that you need 30+ points to win a football game because you know the defense will give that much points up to a really good team. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 14, 2018 23:15:32 GMT -5
quite a night for Boston sports fans. Chiefs got Gronked at the end!
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 15, 2018 6:25:47 GMT -5
Ok sorry, the worst is a bit too strong like “not making his money” is too weak. He’s been bad and it started prior to this offseason. That being said. I feel like it cane off that I was happy about that. I’m not. I like Malcolm, I like his story and what he did for this franchise. I don’t want him to suck, but considering where he was I don’t want him to be too good either. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 15, 2018 6:31:29 GMT -5
Yea 97 yard return and a Brady fumble around our own 30 yard line. They did just fine playing against a team who averages 35 points a game through 5 games. That team has major elite weapons and special teams and our offense added at minimum 10 points to the Cheifs total. Brady had forever to throw and acted stupid. Brady put up 43 points and didn't punt the ball once. It's freaking scary knowing that you need 30+ points to win a football game because you know the defense will give that much points up to a really good team. Do you watch football these days? What’s a defense to do? The rules completely favor the Offense. The Pats have their issues and some were on display last night, but the Chiefs offense is down right next to impossible to stop. Mahomes is a stud. The Chiefs will probably win a SB on his rookie deal. I don’t know what he will do once he starts getting paid, that’s the great separator on QBs these days, since they lose weapons and defenses etc. but my god he’s good and Hill is ridiculous. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 15, 2018 6:45:21 GMT -5
Best things from last night:
1. Hightower being used in an impactful way. Seems silly that giving up 40 points means D did anything good, but that’s what the Chiefs and Patriots will do to each other. The D is judged on making enough plays to hold to field goals or stop the other team from scoring 2-3 times.
1a. Josh Gordon’s jump to (almost?) full-time receiver. Played 81% of the snaps and was a big impact. Would have had another 30+ yard TD reception if he wasn’t tackled going for the ball, still set up a TD, plus 5 other catches. We still and will never know if he can make it thru the season, BUT, I completely underestimated this guys ability to make a huge impact. His ability to learn the playbook has far exceeded what I felt was possible considering when he joined. Brady has never had a receiver like him. Moss was better, but Gordon is different. His toughness is what makes him different than Randy.
3. Sony Michel. I don’t know exactly what he is as he’s had some nice holes, but it’s clear his burst and vision has greatly improved each week. Next up, get him involved in the passing game so that you are less predictable when he’s on the field.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 15, 2018 8:39:18 GMT -5
Ok sorry, the worst is a bit too strong like “not making his money” is too weak. He’s been bad and it started prior to this offseason. That being said. I feel like it cane off that I was happy about that. I’m not. I like Malcolm, I like his story and what he did for this franchise. I don’t want him to suck, but considering where he was I don’t want him to be too good either. PFF has 111 CBs ranked, guys that have played a lot, our 3 starters make it. Then Rowe and our two rookies who aren't ranked. Teams basically start 3 CBs now a days. So he's ranked as a starting level player, not even remotely close to worst in the league and you've now said this what twice already? Sure seems like you want to prove Bill was right by not playing in the Superbowl. Thing is we've seen nothing to prove that. He's playing better than the guy they started in his place and he's way better than the guys that played instead of him like Jordan Richards. I don't really care how Butler does, I just hate the notion he shouldn't have played in the Superbowl because he was the worst guy in the league type crap! |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 15, 2018 9:40:04 GMT -5
Ok sorry, the worst is a bit too strong like “not making his money” is too weak. He’s been bad and it started prior to this offseason. That being said. I feel like it cane off that I was happy about that. I’m not. I like Malcolm, I like his story and what he did for this franchise. I don’t want him to suck, but considering where he was I don’t want him to be too good either. PFF has 111 CBs ranked, guys that have played a lot, our 3 starters make it. Then Rowe and our two rookies who aren't ranked. Teams basically start 3 CBs now a days. So he's ranked as a starting level player, not even remotely close to worst in the league and you've now said this what twice already? Sure seems like you want to prove Bill was right by not playing in the Superbowl. Thing is we've seen nothing to prove that. He's playing better than the guy they started in his place and he's way better than the guys that played instead of him like Jordan Richards. I don't really care how Butler does, I just hate the notion he shouldn't have played in the Superbowl because he was the worst guy in the league type crap! I’ve said he should have played in the Super Bowl so you can reject that narrative. I’ve also said he sucked prior to that game so we can’t act like he was a guaranteed difference maker. Both are true. He’s been terrible. These were some numbers headed into yesterday’s game and he was awful yesterday: Completion percentage allowed: 71.9%, 2nd highest in the NFL. Targets: 32, 5th most Receptions allowed: 23, 3rd most Yards per reception allowed: 17.6, 2nd most Touchdowns allowed: 4, tied for the most Passer rating when targeted: 140.6, highest |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 15, 2018 16:14:22 GMT -5
Brady put up 43 points and didn't punt the ball once. It's freaking scary knowing that you need 30+ points to win a football game because you know the defense will give that much points up to a really good team. Do you watch football these days? What’s a defense to do? The rules completely favor the Offense. The Pats have their issues and some were on display last night, but the Chiefs offense is down right next to impossible to stop. Mahomes is a stud. The Chiefs will probably win a SB on his rookie deal. I don’t know what he will do once he starts getting paid, that’s the great separator on QBs these days, since they lose weapons and defenses etc. but my god he’s good and Hill is ridiculous. Make 4-5 plays on third down so that the Chiefs don't score 30+ points a game. That's about it and what a good defense is supposed to do. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 15, 2018 16:20:01 GMT -5
Do you watch football these days? What’s a defense to do? The rules completely favor the Offense. The Pats have their issues and some were on display last night, but the Chiefs offense is down right next to impossible to stop. Mahomes is a stud. The Chiefs will probably win a SB on his rookie deal. I don’t know what he will do once he starts getting paid, that’s the great separator on QBs these days, since they lose weapons and defenses etc. but my god he’s good and Hill is ridiculous. Make 4-5 plays on third down so that the Chiefs don't score 30+ points a game. That's about it and what a good defense is supposed to do. Chiefs were 4 of 10 on third down if i remember correctly. |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 15, 2018 16:20:41 GMT -5
The Chiefs are borderline unstoppable this year and were 5-0 when the Pats beat them. They lead the league in points by quite a bit. Why find things to complain about?
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 15, 2018 17:00:54 GMT -5
The Chiefs are borderline unstoppable this year and were 5-0 when the Pats beat them. They lead the league in points by quite a bit. Why find things to complain about? Because that's what Pedro does. |
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Post by jmei on Oct 15, 2018 17:01:55 GMT -5
Make 4-5 plays on third down so that the Chiefs don't score 30+ points a game. That's about it and what a good defense is supposed to do. Chiefs were 4 of 10 on third down if i remember correctly. The issue on defense wasn't third downs, where the Patriots managed to do a respectable job limiting the Chiefs to 4/10, and especially in the red zone, where the Patriots managed to limit them to two touchdowns in five appearances. The issue was explosive plays-- the 67 yard Kareem Hunt TD, the 97 yard kick return and the 75 yard Tyreek Hill TD. There are things to learn from that (especially in terms of safety play and the sneaky-bad special teams performance this year), but that'll happen when you play a team with as many explosive playmakers as the Chiefs. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 15, 2018 23:19:54 GMT -5
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