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2018 Patriots Season Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 16, 2018 7:00:58 GMT -5
Make 4-5 plays on third down so that the Chiefs don't score 30+ points a game. That's about it and what a good defense is supposed to do. Chiefs were 4 of 10 on third down if i remember correctly. I stand corrected, but this team has got to find better ways to keep good teams in the 20s in points. The last time they did that, they won a superbowl game. The last time they didn't do that, they lost a superbowl game (last year). 30 points seems like the magical number to keep teams away from for the Pats to consecutively win because Tom Brady is still, well, Tom Brady. Even in his 40's. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 16, 2018 11:50:12 GMT -5
Love that Tyreek Hill is wanting to press charges on a fan for throwing beer on him. This is a guy who choked and punched his pregnant girlfriend and got no jail time.
The fan is an idiot and isn’t welcome at Gillette anymore - case should be closed
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 16, 2018 12:14:58 GMT -5
Chiefs were 4 of 10 on third down if i remember correctly. I stand corrected, but this team has got to find better ways to keep good teams in the 20s in points. The last time they did that, they won a superbowl game. The last time they didn't do that, they lost a superbowl game (last year). 30 points seems like the magical number to keep teams away from for the Pats to consecutively win because Tom Brady is still, well, Tom Brady. Even in his 40's. Pedro you have to watch the games and understand what is going on. No offense but you sound like a guy that watches the Patriot playoff games only and zero other football. You seem clueless to the offensive explosion going on in football due to rule changes and want a dominate D like we had in the early 2000's. That Chiefs offense might be the best I've every seen with its ability to make big plays. Hill is the most explosive WR in the NFL, they have a great RB, TE and a QB with a Rocket arm. Acting like they are just a good team is crazy funny, that's likely the best offense in the league! One of the better ones I've seen. That offense is easily better than the Eagles. Our D played brillant in the first half! If it played like that in the Superbowl, we win! Only 9 points allowed, 3 FGs. Second half Bill went to his prevent D, we stopped preasuring Mahomes and he started killing us. A Brady fumble and a 97 yard kick-off just added fuel to the fire. Game gets close, we start preasuring again and Bam we get stops. You litterally can't give Mahomes times to throw, just like Brady. You can't play prevent D, rushing 3 and a bunch of DBs trying to clog the lanes. It doesn't work with him, just gives his weapons time to get open deep. Which just highlights the problem our D faces almost every game. Our offense puts up big points, forcing the other team to to throw the kitchen sink at us to score enough. You brought up no punts, do you know why? Both teams knew they needed to score, so they went crazy. Bill went for it on 4th down on the first drive of the game, from the 40 yard line! Kinda thing I can't remember since we were playing Payton Manning and his great offense. From the first few minutes of the game, Bill knew it was going to take a bunch of points because the Chiefs offense was so good. Did our D play awesome? Nope, they made some mistakes, but that is going to happen against an offense like the Chiefs. What they did do was force turnovers and make stops. Which is the important thing and Bill learned you can't play prevent D with the Chiefs. You just look at the box score and continue your season long campaign against our D! Yet it was actually a fairly good performance, with much more good than bad and the boxscore just doesn't paint the full picture. |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 16, 2018 13:04:48 GMT -5
The Pats D slowed KC way down in the first half and it's the only reason they won. They were faking blitzes and then dropping 2-3 of the rushers to cover the middle and Mahomes was slow to figure it out. Plus they were getting pressure on him as well. I think they were the first team to even slow Mahomes down for part of a game.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 16, 2018 14:06:48 GMT -5
Pats defense before the red zone isn’t very good. Part of that is because they play the safety so deep and it opens space but limits big plays (usually). Another part is they don’t do much fancy. Both those things change in the red zone.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 16, 2018 16:19:37 GMT -5
Pats defense before the red zone isn’t very good. Part of that is because they play the safety so deep and it opens space but limits big plays (usually). Another part is they don’t do much fancy. Both those things change in the red zone. Overall they do they a lot of prevent D, the rush three guys drop a ton of DBs back to limit big plays and clog the lanes. It can work against certain teams. What was great about the first half is they didn't play any of that crap, that I can remember. It was attack, attack, attack. As Jimed said they did a crap load of switching and different looks. They were even doing delayed blitzing, which paid off with an interception. They did one early, then did the same play with Hightower but instead of blitzing he dropped back. Mahomes had no clue what to expect, it was crazy fun to watch. Then they changed it up in the second half, playing like you said. What I call prevent D and they got killed. It wasn't till the game got close that they went back to attacking and once again it worked! I'd love to see them play more like the first half for a whole game. We have the corners to play man to man D, yet they play tons of zone in prevent D. Hill's big TD was in that prevent D, when they played Zone. I'd rather give up big plays when attacking than playing prevent D! I wish I had the stats of yards per play when they attacked and confused him, compared to playing prevent D because we had a big lead. It would be massive. The prevent D, was the D that gave up all the big plays. The big thing that bugs me is that they played attack D from the start. They knew that was the way to go, yet they just couldn't help themselves going back to that crap after they had a big lead. If the Chiefs adjusted, ok make adjustments, but they didn't wait for that. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 16, 2018 20:43:15 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 21, 2018 12:14:49 GMT -5
Man, nfl.com has gotten so bad. At least half the screen is useless borders and advertisements. What do other people use to follow stats during a game?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 21, 2018 12:39:21 GMT -5
I use ESPN boxscore.
Gilmore did restructure giving the Pats 4 million in cap space, so they have some ammo for a trade.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 21, 2018 12:51:08 GMT -5
Well there goes Michel. Uggh.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 21, 2018 13:06:52 GMT -5
Patterson makes up for his fumble with a KR TD.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 21, 2018 19:47:10 GMT -5
Pats defense gave up another 31 points, to the Bears. Won't go down that rabbit hole again though. They almost tied the game at the end too.
Gordon looks good though. Michel might be out for a few months if it's a ankle, might be the whole year if it's the a ligament in the knee.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 21, 2018 21:07:58 GMT -5
Pats defense gave up another 31 points, to the Bears. Won't go down that rabbit hole again though. They almost tied the game at the end too. Gordon looks good though. Michel might be out for a few months if it's a ankle, might be the whole year if it's the a ligament in the knee. Just have to ask, you put two short TDs that came after turnovers on the D? Heck even that Brady interception gave them a short field and resulted in a TD. That was 21 points off of turnovers and short fields. The longest they went for a TD was 63 yards, the Patriots had 3 drives longer than that for TDs. Heck that last drive was a special teams mistake. Bill turned down a FG to pin them deep and Allen just kicks it into the end zone. Ball went from 38 to 25, instead of trying a 55 yard kick. Our special teams have been rather bad this year. Allen has a good leg, but sucks on short kicks. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 21, 2018 21:30:52 GMT -5
I just feel like you're making excuses why the other team is scoring points each week for the defense. First it's the rules, then it's the offense or special teams. The defense even made some nice turnovers but they can't stop a nosebleed Umass.
We will see if it's a killer flaw in January when it matters.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 21, 2018 23:54:36 GMT -5
I just feel like you're making excuses why the other team is scoring points each week for the defense. First it's the rules, then it's the offense or special teams. The defense even made some nice turnovers but they can't stop a nosebleed Umass. We will see if it's a killer flaw in January when it matters. Really? You think looking at just points is the smart way to judge a defense? Pedro man that is like arguing ERA is the best way to judge a pitcher. It's like saying a pitcher that allows a run starting a clean inning is the same as a pitcher that allows runs while coming in with bases loaded, 2 in scoring position or a guy on, with no outs. They just aren't the same. Two straight weeks our offense and special teams hurt our D! I really like our D compared to last year. They make stops and keep getting turnovers. You keep acting like theThey are playing like they did against Detriot. That was a truly dreadful D. Couldn't make stops, stop the run or the pass. We just haven't seen that D since that game. Are you really saying the rules, offense and special teams aren't an issue? Can't help or hurt a D? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 22, 2018 0:35:49 GMT -5
I'm just seeing a lot of teams score a ton of points on the Patriots. That isn't ideal when trying to win. The only way to win that way is by scoring a lot.
One bad game in January by the offense could mean you're going home if they don't score enough themselves.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 22, 2018 1:46:43 GMT -5
Yea its not ideal, but its not all on the D. Why aren't you saying time to stop stupid turnovers and crappy special teams? You keep nagging on the D, like it can control 97 yard returns, and a crap load of turnovers deep in its zone. Its like you don't watch the games and just look at the boxscore. Yep I'm right they gave up a lot of points! The D sucks! Three turnovers that resulted in 21 points that's on the D! I'd be calling the D out if they kept allowing teams to drive 60 70 yards for TDs.
This team and every other team is going to win games based on offense. That is the current NFL. They want it that way, it helps fantasy games, which is huge for the NFL. So you need a D that can make stops, limit things and get turnovers. If we had this D in the Superbowl we win it hands down, no question.
Instead of bitching about it week after week, you should hope that we stay healthy. Injuries killed our D last year. We have more depth this year though, but a few key injuries like at LB could really hurt us.
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Post by ryan24 on Oct 22, 2018 5:29:55 GMT -5
You two crack me up. Most of the time you both have some good constructive points of info. Today you guys are just being rude, especially umass. The game has changed. It is no longer 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Spread the field and throw the ball all over the place. Can not touch the qb. More fun for the fan to watch 35-30 game than a 7-6 game. The amazing thing is that Bill and the gang continue to adjust to whatever the style is at the time and win a lot of games. As far as injuries go I would be more worried about injuries to the O line. brady can not throw Td's on his back. it would not surprise me that the pats are back in the super bowl this year. The AFC has how many great teams? Can Bill cover up the worts again this year like in the past.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2018 6:13:59 GMT -5
Pats defense gave up another 31 points, to the Bears. Won't go down that rabbit hole again though. They almost tied the game at the end too. Gordon looks good though. Michel might be out for a few months if it's a ankle, might be the whole year if it's the a ligament in the knee. Just have to ask, you put two short TDs that came after turnovers on the D? Heck even that Brady interception gave them a short field and resulted in a TD. That was 21 points off of turnovers and short fields. The longest they went for a TD was 63 yards, the Patriots had 3 drives longer than that for TDs. Heck that last drive was a special teams mistake. Bill turned down a FG to pin them deep and Allen just kicks it into the end zone. Ball went from 38 to 25, instead of trying a 55 yard kick. Our special teams have been rather bad this year. Allen has a good leg, but sucks on short kicks. I agree with all of this except your last point on Allen. He messed up big yesterday, like it wasn’t even close, but pinning teams is what he’s good at. His punting yardage averages are not very good but he’s generally good at pinning teams inside the 10. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2018 6:22:59 GMT -5
You’re both kinda right. This defense hasn’t been good and at least half the points given up yesterday were not the defenses fault. There’s some reason for optimism.
1. Run defense (non quarterback edition) seems to have fixed its issues.
2. Gilmore is a stud number 1 corner.
3. Hightower isn’t back but he’s gotten much better. Hopefully, he just stays healthy and continues to improve as he gets into better game shape.
4. The young corners are gaining experience every week so they should get better.
However, Clayborn can’t keep contain on his edge to save his life right now. Our linebackers still can’t cover and the McCourty and Harmon have been pretty bad at safety. I don’t know what’s up with McCourty. He doesn’t seem slower so hopefully, he can fix whatever it is.
Has anyone heard anything regarding Bentley? Is there a chance he returns this year?
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Post by texs31 on Oct 22, 2018 8:16:27 GMT -5
He, apparently, traveled to Chicago yesterday and was warming up with a couple guys.
Trying to figure out who I'd want to return. With Michels injury (I'm fearing the worst), I'd think Burkhead would be 1 of the 2. However, maybe the immediate need (Gillislee still available) makes him less certain.
Would love Bentley.
Also, post draft, there was talk that Dawson could factor at free safety. Wonder if that could still hold in certain situation (ie the type DMac has been getting burned on).
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2018 9:00:54 GMT -5
He, apparently, traveled to Chicago yesterday and was warming up with a couple guys. Trying to figure out who I'd want to return. With Michels injury (I'm fearing the worst), I'd think Burkhead would be 1 of the 2. However, maybe the immediate need (Gillislee still available) makes him less certain. Would love Bentley. Also, post draft, there was talk that Dawson could factor at free safety. Wonder if that could still hold in certain situation (ie the type DMac has been getting burned on). Early word on Michel is encouraging. Usually they know a tear pretty quick. MRI today  |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 22, 2018 12:42:45 GMT -5
Update per several is that the MRI confirmed that it's not that serious. Could miss some time but not a lot.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2018 13:02:03 GMT -5
Update per several is that the MRI confirmed that it's not that serious. Could miss some time but not a lot. That’s big on a lot of levels - like now James White doesn’t have to be run into the ground |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 22, 2018 14:28:43 GMT -5
Update per several is that the MRI confirmed that it's not that serious. Could miss some time but not a lot. That’s big on a lot of levels - like now James White doesn’t have to be run into the ground It looked awful at first, but he at least was putting a little weight on it coming off the field. Maybe just an MCL? |
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