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Post by KB24 on Dec 6, 2018 9:58:38 GMT -5
Rosenthal reporting that Sox have an agreement with Eovaldi. Details forthcoming. Glad they locked him up!
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 6, 2018 10:01:35 GMT -5
Is there a complicated German word for that feeling where the irrational part of you is happy but the rational part of you know it isn't a good idea but the rational side also knows that it's probably a good time to just let the irrational side have its moment?
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Post by jbuttah on Dec 6, 2018 10:07:26 GMT -5
Is there a complicated German word for that feeling where the irrational part of you is happy but the rational part of you know it isn't a good idea but the rational side also knows that it's probably a good time to just let the irrational side have its moment? Donaudampfschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft your welcome.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 6, 2018 10:11:55 GMT -5
Is there a complicated German word for that feeling where the irrational part of you is happy but the rational part of you know it isn't a good idea but the rational side also knows that it's probably a good time to just let the irrational side have its moment? fart ?
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Post by Guidas on Dec 6, 2018 10:11:57 GMT -5
So a rotation of Sale Price Eovaldi Erod and Porcello right now. That could be crazy good with the usual "depending on health" caveat.
Even with the health caveat, I wonder if they trade Porcello now. Could get $20M in salary relief and acquire a very good near MLB-ready prospect in a position of need.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 6, 2018 10:14:37 GMT -5
4 years? I don’t know about that. Rumor is 4 .
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 6, 2018 10:16:01 GMT -5
Is there a complicated German word for that feeling where the irrational part of you is happy but the rational part of you know it isn't a good idea but the rational side also knows that it's probably a good time to just let the irrational side have its moment? Unfortunately mgoetze is no longer here, he would've been a good guy to ask
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Post by radiohix on Dec 6, 2018 10:17:34 GMT -5
My immediate reaction when I saw Rosenthal tweet...
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Post by nomar on Dec 6, 2018 10:30:23 GMT -5
Really hope the cutter wasn't a 1 year wonder. It looked very legit and the sample size got pretty big on that bad boy.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 6, 2018 10:30:28 GMT -5
Rosenthal reporting that Sox have an agreement with Eovaldi. Details forthcoming. Glad they locked him up! Alex Speier @alexspeier 19m19 minutes ago More Source confirms @ken_Rosenthal report: Sox and Eovaldi in agreement on a new deal pending physical. Sides had been discussing 4-year deal, but final terms not know
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Post by nomar on Dec 6, 2018 10:33:30 GMT -5
I see some people saying 4/68 (17M AAV) on reddit. That's kind of high, but for age 29-32 seasons, could see the upside.
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Post by KB24 on Dec 6, 2018 10:39:34 GMT -5
After seeing Corbin get 6/140, I have no qualms about the Sox potentially giving Eovaldi 4/68 after being given a clean bill of health entering his prime years.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 6, 2018 10:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Dec 6, 2018 10:51:52 GMT -5
The thrill of victory. The agony of reading about it on Soxprospects.com😱
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Post by nomar on Dec 6, 2018 10:56:16 GMT -5
Post + sig combo = incredible
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 6, 2018 10:58:37 GMT -5
Awesome move. Less than half of what Corbin is getting and he's certainly not less than half the pitcher is Corbin.
With the right manager and coaches, Eovaldi has a real shot at becoming a front-line starter. And as we know the fallback position is that he can pitch out of the pen if need be, but that's only a post-season option as a rover, and an option if he fails to reach anywhere near that huge ceiling of his. His stuff is amazing.
So now the Sox wait Kimbrel out, see where he goes and for how much and then the dominos fall and they can see if they bring back Kelly (which I think will happen) and add another reliever that can potentially close - wouldn't be shocked to see them go after Herrera if he's healing up. I don't think the Sox will outbid NYY for Robertson and given how cheap he was in the clubhouse when splitting up post-season shares, I can live with that. Andrew Miller would be intriguing. There's lots of ways they can go. Odds are these guys won't be as good as 2017 Kimbrel, but odds are good Kimbrel won't be as good as 2017 Kimbrel. They just need somebody reasonably close if not better than 2018 Kimbrel, who was mostly good, but still made us pull our hair out at times.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 6, 2018 11:00:12 GMT -5
On board. Not risk-free but I think there's excess value potential and it leaves room for injury/rest at current value.
Add: I think we see this deal in 4 years the way we see Porcello now. Not a no-brainer, but a solid win
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 6, 2018 11:28:59 GMT -5
Tremendous. A lot of folks had 4/$64M for Eovaldi, so either the Corbin contract was an aberration for the #1 guy, or Nate took a serious discount. We'll know better once Keuchel and Morton sign.
If you look at Kiley McDaniel's projections at FanGraphs, they both got an extra year, but Corbin's AAV is 29.6% more and Nate's is 5.5%. And adding a 6th year brings you less return than adding a 4th year.
Looking at the crowdsourcing, whereas no one at FanGraphs' crowdsource saw Corbin getting a 6th year, about a third of folks saw Nate getting a 4th. Corbin's AAV was 13.3% higher than projected, while Nate's was 20.5%. But I'm pretty sure that most or all of the crowdsourcing was done before the post-season.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 6, 2018 11:36:57 GMT -5
There are a few side benefits to this. You'd probably want to be Happ or Kuechel at this point. It increases the competition for a shrinking pool of starters and they're floating at the top. They will be a bit pricier also, so the winner on this reverse lottery will be shelling out a bit.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 6, 2018 11:39:50 GMT -5
Eovaldi scares me, but they gave up no prospects, no draft picks and isn't making half of what Corbin is making. I'm a fan of this move. In years 3 and 4 he could potentially slide over and be an overpriced bullpen arm. I guess THIS is what will get me over the loss of Jalen Beeks.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Dec 6, 2018 12:00:17 GMT -5
There are a few side benefits to this. You'd probably want to be Happ or Kuechel at this point. It increases the competition for a shrinking pool of starters and they're floating at the top. They will be a bit pricier also, so the winner on this reverse lottery will be shelling out a bit. It also spreads some good will throughout the clubhouse, as the players see the Red Sox extend to keep a key player despite an already huge payroll. I'm not delusional enough to think players will take team friendly extensions just because they brought back Eovaldi, but this move has to be extremely popular with the team. Eovaldi put the team first during the postseason and was rewarded for it, it'd be a tough sell to the clubhouse to use him the way they did and not reward him for it, especially if he pitched great elsewhere next season. If Eovaldi can't stay healthy or turns into a pumpkin it won't matter for long, but the team has to be feeling good about 2019 and the FO/ownership right now. Hopefully this deal works out better than the Mike Lowell post-WS MVP contract (at least age is on our side this time).
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 6, 2018 12:02:28 GMT -5
Is there a complicated German word for that feeling where the irrational part of you is happy but the rational part of you know it isn't a good idea but the rational side also knows that it's probably a good time to just let the irrational side have its moment? This is me as well. I love the rockstar performance by Eovaldi in the post-season as much as anyone, but besides the obvious injury risk there's also the jarring discrepancy between his stuff and his actual production. I can't even pinpoint why, it's not even as obvious as it is for someone Kelly and that makes it kind of a red flag. On the other hand, the upside here is undeniable. If everything goes smoothly, Eovaldi has the repertoire to be a very strong #2 next to Sale. The rotation is set for the foreseeable future and there's obvious benefits to that.
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Post by unitspin on Dec 6, 2018 12:10:30 GMT -5
Is there a complicated German word for that feeling where the irrational part of you is happy but the rational part of you know it isn't a good idea but the rational side also knows that it's probably a good time to just let the irrational side have its moment? lol that fourth year kinda rubs me the wrong way. But if the Red Sox snag the ship again this coming year they can stink for five years with no complaints towards management from me. Quote me on that. I have a bad feeling which probably means eovaldi wins the cy young in his fourth year of the contract. And I eat my words. They will taste good too.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 6, 2018 12:16:09 GMT -5
I said I'd support the move if DD made and I will. Corbin had a late two season change in a way, lets hooe last year was just the start of that for Eovaldi. Is this just a straight four year deal no protections? Every now and then the experts nail the numbers and the 4 year 70 to 80 million was just about right on.
What I like even more than the crazy depth and upside that Eovaldi brings is the Red Sox seeing the top revenue teams limiting payroll, so they are going for it. This certainly doesn't mean we aren't resetting next year, but it does make it a lot less likely. Then reports that they are still in on Kimbrel and want him back. These aren't the moves a team makes if they want to get under 208 million in payroll next year.
Go sign Kimbrel, then sign a Britton or Miller. Heck given the reports on Herrera maybe not being ready and taking around 1 year 8 million, sign him also. Rather gamble on just money now than have to trade for a guy later. Lets just be the Yankees, blow other teams away with payroll and build without a doubt the best team in the league. Then lets go win 3 out of 4 championships! Seems like that is the plan and I love it, about time.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 6, 2018 12:18:09 GMT -5
Is there a complicated German word for that feeling where the irrational part of you is happy but the rational part of you know it isn't a good idea but the rational side also knows that it's probably a good time to just let the irrational side have its moment? This is me as well. I love the rockstar performance by Eovaldi in the post-season as much as anyone, but besides the obvious injury risk there's also the jarring discrepancy between his stuff and his actual production. I can't even pinpoint why, it's not even as obvious as it is for someone Kelly and that makes it kind of a red flag. On the other hand, the upside here is undeniable. If everything goes smoothly, Eovaldi has the repertoire to be a very strong #2 next to Sale. The rotation is set for the foreseeable future and there's obvious benefits to that. I am sunny-siding it this way: Hoping he figured stuff out as a starter, but if he has problems down the road in years 3 or 4 getting through the 2nd or 3rd time through the order, he is being paid the same $$ as a top closer and could slide into that role, or even as a two inning high leverage guy. As long as he's healthy it's winner-winner pasta dinner!
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