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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 23, 2023 17:54:35 GMT -5
It's exactly the locker room/ club house "Faux pax" thing and maybe some Vets trying to push back on small things they think might be a distraction.. Like this: "You have foot fungus on your shower shoes! when you make it to the show, you can let the fungus grow back on your shower shoes and maybe the press will call you 'colorful.' Here in the minors... IT MEANS YOU'RE A SLOB" except its the opposite here with Casas, "don't be colorful" this is the show. I think it's two things, Casas's youth and goofy, individualistic nature. Neither of which I'm in any hurry to lose. It's actually faux pas ("must not" in French) but I have to say I like your take. That combo of French and Latin translates to "false peace"!
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Feb 23, 2023 18:05:08 GMT -5
Well plus the Kiké quote about this year's team and a certain pitcher's "transaction" Dangit, you all are speaking in code like a bunch of socialites at a country club tea time... I just want the gossip! What quote? What transaction? The evening that a certain tenured reliever was traded (after being waived), Kiké' in response to the news tweeted something like "I like, my team ...this year" which came right on the heels of Kiké's comments that certain people created a uncomfortable clubhouse climate. it's most likely a coincidence, just that it's what is fueling a conspiracy theory(being pushed by certain Boston media) that Chaim had been letting players go for reasons other than poor play or $$$ alone. Basically That there was a negative element that when the team started losing last year,it helped keep last year's team..... Last year's team
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Feb 23, 2023 18:06:25 GMT -5
It's exactly the locker room/ club house "Faux pax" thing and maybe some Vets trying to push back on small things they think might be a distraction.. Like this: "You have foot fungus on your shower shoes! when you make it to the show, you can let the fungus grow back on your shower shoes and maybe the press will call you 'colorful.' Here in the minors... IT MEANS YOU'RE A SLOB" except its the opposite here with Casas, "don't be colorful" this is the show. I think it's two things, Casas's youth and goofy, individualistic nature. Neither of which I'm in any hurry to lose. It's actually faux pas ("must not" in French) but I have to say I like your take. That combo of French and Latin translates to "false peace"! That's exactly what I meant, I'm fluent in Latin with a slight French accent
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 23, 2023 18:42:55 GMT -5
I get the impression that not many who are commenting read the article.
In all of the locker rooms I've been in, if someone is sleeping on the floor so everyone else has to walk around/over him, it wouldn't take long for him to get stomped on and he learns his lesson. I don't think that's 'colorful'; it's exceptionally inconsiderate and immature. But he was young, and he's learning, which is what he said. If he were an undrafted guy who never sniffed a top-100 list, I'm guessing he would have been put in his place long ago - but the star can sleep where he wants.
As far as the 'sunbathing in the outfield' thing, I wouldn't care, but I've known some who would. Again, if he's the star they don't care, but if he hasn't played his first MLB game, he seems like he's peacocking a bit early, even if that's not his intent at all.
He's saying all of the right things and learning, so I'm optimistic everything will go well.
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Post by bosoxnation on Feb 23, 2023 18:50:22 GMT -5
I get the impression that not many who are commenting read the article. In all of the locker rooms I've been in, if someone is sleeping on the floor so everyone else has to walk around/over him, it wouldn't take long for him to get stomped on and he learns his lesson. I don't think that's 'colorful'; it's exceptionally inconsiderate and immature. But he was young, and he's learning, which is what he said. If he were an undrafted guy who never sniffed a top-100 list, I'm guessing he would have been put in his place long ago - but the star can sleep where he wants. As far as the 'sunbathing in the outfield' thing, I wouldn't care, but I've known some who would. Again, if he's the star they don't care, but if he hasn't played his first MLB game, he seems like he's peacocking a bit early, even if that's not his intent at all. He's saying all of the right things and learning, so I'm optimistic everything will go well. I think its immature to get upset if a player wants to sleep anywhere. Outfield, locker room. Its not like these locker rooms are small. If someone's upset they have to walk around you or step over you on a professional team.....c'mon now they are just babies.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 23, 2023 18:52:36 GMT -5
Oh, is this going to be an interesting season....
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 23, 2023 19:06:39 GMT -5
I get the impression that not many who are commenting read the article. In all of the locker rooms I've been in, if someone is sleeping on the floor so everyone else has to walk around/over him, it wouldn't take long for him to get stomped on and he learns his lesson. I don't think that's 'colorful'; it's exceptionally inconsiderate and immature. But he was young, and he's learning, which is what he said. If he were an undrafted guy who never sniffed a top-100 list, I'm guessing he would have been put in his place long ago - but the star can sleep where he wants. As far as the 'sunbathing in the outfield' thing, I wouldn't care, but I've known some who would. Again, if he's the star they don't care, but if he hasn't played his first MLB game, he seems like he's peacocking a bit early, even if that's not his intent at all. He's saying all of the right things and learning, so I'm optimistic everything will go well. I think its immature to get upset if a player wants to sleep anywhere. Outfield, locker room. Its not like these locker rooms are small. If someone's upset they have to walk around you or step over you on a professional team.....c'mon now they are just babies. He specifically said that people would have to walk around/over him. Anyone should be able to sleep where they want, or do what they want, if it doesn't infringe on another. But if that person infringing on others is a rookie, it's common sense that the veterans aren't going to be happy. Or let's put it in a different context: If you share an office with another co-worker, and on his first day on the job you get up from your desk and find that he's laying in the middle of the floor with his shirt off and you have to step over him to get to the bathroom, you're not going to be very happy with that co-worker, are you? Now if you're the new person, you probably think 'that's weird' but just deal with it, at least for a while.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Feb 23, 2023 20:06:26 GMT -5
Yeah but if a co-worker stripped down to his jock at my desk, I wouldn't be happy either.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Feb 23, 2023 22:26:31 GMT -5
It's exactly the locker room/ club house "Faux pax" thing and maybe some Vets trying to push back on small things they think might be a distraction.. Like this: "You have foot fungus on your shower shoes! when you make it to the show, you can let the fungus grow back on your shower shoes and maybe the press will call you 'colorful.' Here in the minors... IT MEANS YOU'RE A SLOB" except its the opposite here with Casas, "don't be colorful" this is the show. I think it's two things, Casas's youth and goofy, individualistic nature. Neither of which I'm in any hurry to lose. It's actually faux pas ("must not" in French) but I have to say I like your take. That combo of French and Latin translates to "false peace"! It's actually faux pas, meaning "false step" -- "must not" would be "(il ne) faut pas'
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 23, 2023 22:30:50 GMT -5
...the spelling got me again!
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Feb 24, 2023 7:45:53 GMT -5
I get the impression that not many who are commenting read the article. In all of the locker rooms I've been in, if someone is sleeping on the floor so everyone else has to walk around/over him, it wouldn't take long for him to get stomped on and he learns his lesson. I don't think that's 'colorful'; it's exceptionally inconsiderate and immature. But he was young, and he's learning, which is what he said. If he were an undrafted guy who never sniffed a top-100 list, I'm guessing he would have been put in his place long ago - but the star can sleep where he wants. As far as the 'sunbathing in the outfield' thing, I wouldn't care, but I've known some who would. Again, if he's the star they don't care, but if he hasn't played his first MLB game, he seems like he's peacocking a bit early, even if that's not his intent at all. He's saying all of the right things and learning, so I'm optimistic everything will go well. I've said it before but some fans (and players) are going to have a culture shock when the full front of Gen Zers make the big leagues.
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Post by jmei on Feb 24, 2023 10:34:49 GMT -5
I'm seeing folks on Red Sox Twitter speculate on who it is, which just seems kinda spiteful and unnecessary. It feels like this story has been taken from "some veterans told Casas to cut out some stuff they thought was weird" and been blown out of proportion into "Casas was shoved in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds." Idk, spiteful and unnecessary or not, I'd like to know who it was so I can boo them whenever they come back to town. The likes of "Are you f---- kidding me" or "Don't do that, it's weird" in reaction to harmless eccentricities is middle-school-bully-level bs that I don't stand for. And in the end he's forced to act like he was in the wrong so as to restore the harmony that he didn't break in the first place, like give me a break. Eh, "pro athletes act like middle school bullies" should sadly not be all that surprising.
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Post by notstarboard on Feb 24, 2023 14:31:21 GMT -5
Idk, spiteful and unnecessary or not, I'd like to know who it was so I can boo them whenever they come back to town. The likes of "Are you f---- kidding me" or "Don't do that, it's weird" in reaction to harmless eccentricities is middle-school-bully-level bs that I don't stand for. And in the end he's forced to act like he was in the wrong so as to restore the harmony that he didn't break in the first place, like give me a break. Eh, "pro athletes act like middle school bullies" should sadly not be all that surprising. Oh I totally agree with you, but I still can't help but think less of a player if if I know they act like that. I know the team was disappointing last year and people may have been frustrated, but that doesn't excuse it. It's that exact sort of clubhouse toxicity that hurts the product on the field.
I'm thinking back to the 2004 team that was downright proud of being idiots. Remember Bronson Arroyo's rendition of Dirty Water where he reminisces about Johnny Damon doing naked pullups 10 minutes before gametime?
A team that can laugh about that sort of thing is a team that is playing loose, and playing loose will get you a long way. Imagine some hardo coming into that locker room and laying into Damon for not being ready to play, or telling Manny to stop "being Manny", or telling Millar to "Cut out that cowboy up crap, does this look like a rodeo to you?" There's no chance a team with a "no fun allowed" culture comes back from 3-0 down. Having fun and winning go hand in hand; I think it's a feedback loop that works in both directions.
Also, I can't help but think it makes no sense to be that team riding around in laundry carts after home runs and simultaneously getting pissy over a player taking naps or stretching shirtless. "My goofy rituals are okay, but yours are not"... Good riddance.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 24, 2023 17:47:11 GMT -5
Part 1 of TBD ...
So, how good was Casas after he flipped the switch starting September 22? OK, let's back up a step. Is it OK to just toss out what happened previously? Does that trick ever work? Age (July 1) Bad PA wRC+ Good PA wRC+ Gain OPS Player X 22 y, 10 m 41 -51 57 108 159 .242 to .806 Casas 22 y, 5 m 44 24 51 203 179 .441 to 1.096 Do I have to add that Player X had a 117 wRC+ the next year, won ROY, and was MVP the year after? Or that he's currently going after the MOD award (Most Awesome Dad)?
So that's an encouraging comp. Next: where he ranked in that stretch among Sox players, and among all of MLB in xwOBA ... with an aside re Raffy Devers.
(Yeah, I'm crazy busy at present.)
I don't know why we even have to slice his performance into microsamples like this, to be honest. He had a 120 wRC+ as is, and anyone who saw him play - or can read a stat line - saw what ridiculous BABIP luck he had (.208 overall). Just normalizing the BABIP to something non-crazy, like .250, would have hgiven him an extra four hits; if they were all singles that would have been like a .260/.400/.460 slash line. That's basically Juan Soto last year.
In short, he was great. The only real question is how the league adjusts and how he adjusts to the adjustments - the same question as we'd have for any rookie who started off hot.
Statcast has him with neutral BABIP luck.
.197 / .358 / .408 = .344 wOBA actual .193 / .354 / .356 = .325 wOBA expected
So it really does matter whether the early struggle was non-predictive as it was for Pedroia.
More later, as promised.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Feb 24, 2023 19:37:46 GMT -5
I get the impression that not many who are commenting read the article. In all of the locker rooms I've been in, if someone is sleeping on the floor so everyone else has to walk around/over him, it wouldn't take long for him to get stomped on and he learns his lesson. I don't think that's 'colorful'; it's exceptionally inconsiderate and immature. But he was young, and he's learning, which is what he said. If he were an undrafted guy who never sniffed a top-100 list, I'm guessing he would have been put in his place long ago - but the star can sleep where he wants. As far as the 'sunbathing in the outfield' thing, I wouldn't care, but I've known some who would. Again, if he's the star they don't care, but if he hasn't played his first MLB game, he seems like he's peacocking a bit early, even if that's not his intent at all. He's saying all of the right things and learning, so I'm optimistic everything will go well. I've said it before but some fans (and players) are going to have a culture shock when the full front of Gen Zers make the big leagues. Wait'll he shows up in his furry outfit...
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 1, 2023 20:17:55 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Mar 9, 2023 10:04:15 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 9, 2023 11:14:21 GMT -5
A good fluff piece. Nice to see someone writing beyond the "HIS TWEETS ARE SO FUNNY!" narrative that has prevailed with him recently.
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Post by bluechip on Mar 10, 2023 9:11:27 GMT -5
Quirky personality and talent make for star baseball players. Mike Trout might be one of the handful of most talent players ever, but he is perceived as boring.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 17, 2023 11:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Mar 17, 2023 12:23:57 GMT -5
In principle I don't see why a team wouldn't approach any young player about signing an extension in any season, since there must be *some* deal which the team would calculate as a bargain relative to expected performance, and which offers the player *some* degree of security, so why not offer it and see if they bite?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 17, 2023 12:34:04 GMT -5
In principle I don't see why a team wouldn't approach any young player about signing an extension in any season, since there must be *some* deal which the team would calculate as a bargain relative to expected performance, and which offers the player *some* degree of security, so why not offer it and see if they bite? I agree with your general philosophy on this, but there would be CBT implications. They can push the AAV down the road to 2024 (if they sign a deal this year), but if they wait until next off-season then they can push the AAV to 2025. Although I'd rather see it spread out over the long-term, this may affect the Red Sox 2024 & 2025 plans. There's also the Jon Lester 'don't want to insult/anger the player' aspect.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 17, 2023 12:41:00 GMT -5
In principle I don't see why a team wouldn't approach any young player about signing an extension in any season, since there must be *some* deal which the team would calculate as a bargain relative to expected performance, and which offers the player *some* degree of security, so why not offer it and see if they bite? I'd be really surprised if they didn't throw an offer out to Casas in the next couple weeks. Especially since Chaim had a whole speech he gave multiple times this offseason about needing to lock young guys up. I suppose Bello's forearm could possibly be scaring them, but I don't know how you don't throw a Whitlock type deal at a kid that's never made any money.
The only three candidates they had before were Whitlock, Houck and Verdugo. They locked up Whitlock, offered Houck and I think Verdugo never got an offer. They might have thought the knucklehead factor was a little too high with Verdugo.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Mar 17, 2023 12:46:28 GMT -5
Casas has looked good in camp BUT......can he play SS?
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 17, 2023 22:36:34 GMT -5
Casas has looked good in camp BUT......can he play SS? No, lol, Casas can not play SS (nor have I every seen another 250 pound SS) lol.
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