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5/30-6/2 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 1, 2019 15:00:39 GMT -5
And all the chronic whiners shut the hell up for 3 weeks, that was great. I either enjoy baseball or I stop watching it. I don't even mind watching the Red Sox lose because I love baseball, not just winning. What I can't handle is the fans whining and bragging to others about how right they were about negative things (even though they were 100% wrong last season). They post the dumbest suggestions I've ever read because they can't handle not winning a championship every single season because Boston sports fans are now by far the most whiny spoiled brat fans in sports. The response to every single one of these posts should just be a baby throwing a temper tantrum gif. So I'll be back when these idiots shut the hell up when the slump is over. Lol. If everyone could be like you..... No one is dumb for making suggestions. Fans can handle winning or losing in any way they want to. You should go live in a communist country where everyone is told what to watch, who to vote for, and told what to do. It would make life much simpler for you and the way you think. Oh, you thought I was talking about you? I guess that's on you.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 1, 2019 15:02:08 GMT -5
Lol. If everyone could be like you..... No one is dumb for making suggestions. Fans can handle winning or losing in any way they want to. You should go live in a communist country where everyone is told what to watch, who to vote for, and told what to do. It would make life much simpler for you and the way you think. Oh, you thought I was talking about you? I guess that's on you. No I was just making a response to this insane way of thinking.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 1, 2019 15:04:00 GMT -5
Oh, you thought I was talking about you? I guess that's on you. No I was just making a response to this insane way of thinking.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 1, 2019 15:10:45 GMT -5
Lol. If everyone could be like you..... No one is dumb for making suggestions. Fans can handle winning or losing in any way they want to. You should go live in a communist country where everyone is told what to watch, who to vote for, and told what to do. It would make life much simpler for you and the way you think. There's a line from a movie (maybe Beautiful Girls) where a guy says to his buddy "I bet you $100 that my wife is cheating on me." His buddy replies "What's the point of that bet? If you're wrong you're out $100 and if you're right your girl is cheating on you." Going through life with a half-empty glass is no way to live. It's just realism. I have gone on to say the division isn't dead if the Sox win the next 2 games. Anyone who tells someone that they're dumb because of the way they think needs a better perspective of life. Not everyone is going to think the same way or act the same way as anyone else. If someone wants to be constantly negative, then that's their prerogative. You don't have to respond to those people and you certainly don't have to call them whiny, spoiled, dumb, you know whatever. It makes for a toxic environment.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 1, 2019 15:12:43 GMT -5
Negativity is toxic.
And I'm sorry, but saying that winning the next 2 games keeps them in the division race but losing the next 2 games puts them in position where they have to trade Mookie is just stupid.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 1, 2019 15:13:42 GMT -5
Not unless you let it control you the way you let it.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 1, 2019 15:18:23 GMT -5
No I was just making a response to this insane way of thinking. I respect you as a poster, but it seems like the gif is more self reflective simply because some fans, like myself, are very critical of the team based on their record and the record of the two teams, in their division, that's ahead of them. It's not that we think the Red Sox are pure garbage. It's that the Yankees and Ray don't have to win many games to finish ahead of the Red Sox. Yes, they were hot for 3 weeks. The length of a JBJ hitting streak. They're not a sub-.500 team, but their record is what it is regardless of their true talent. Ther Sox are basically playing for the 2nd wild card and I personally think that isn't worth trading or wasting assets to get it.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 1, 2019 15:22:07 GMT -5
Negativity is toxic. And I'm sorry, but saying that winning the next 2 games keeps them in the division race but losing the next 2 games puts them in position where they have to trade Mookie is just stupid. As of today, the Yankees need to win 45.5% of their games to get to 90 wins. The Red Sox need to win 58% of their remaining games. To lose this series, especially if it's a sweep, is catastrophic to winning the division. I would trade Betts if Henry decides they won't re-sign him after 2020. Obviously it will hurt the 2020 season, but the return value of a year and a half of Mookie will be worth too much to pass up.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 1, 2019 15:22:45 GMT -5
Is there a more useless job in America than the called "sideline reporter"? They're like these backstage hosts in them American Idol, America got talent etc... utterly useless. /end rant. Add: Totally agree with what JimEd is saying about the negativity of some posters here.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 1, 2019 15:25:26 GMT -5
Sox will be 2 1/2 games back by the end of June. Book it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2019 15:31:58 GMT -5
They're 7-9 over their past 16 games. Their hot streak wore off a couple of weeks ago. They'll get hot again at some point. If you break the season into 3 chunks, they had that miserable 6-13 stretch, the 16-6 hot streak where they resembled the 2018 team for 3 weeks, and the 7-9 cool-down they've been experiencing. So, 29-28. And all the chronic whiners shut the hell up for 3 weeks, that was great. I either enjoy baseball or I stop watching it. I don't even mind watching the Red Sox lose because I love baseball, not just winning. What I can't handle is the fans whining and bragging to others about how right they were about negative things (even though they were 100% wrong last season). They post the dumbest suggestions I've ever read because they can't handle not winning a championship every single season because Boston sports fans are now by far the most whiny spoiled brat fans in sports. The response to every single one of these posts should just be a baby throwing a temper tantrum gif. So I'll be back when these idiots shut the hell up when the slump is over. Posting when the Sox are only winning is called front running. And as far as the "I was right" stuff. That's here on "both sides of the aisle". We have the ones who go into the I told ya so-s when the a player goes off or the Sox get hot and you get the I told ya so-s when a player gets cold or the team struggles. Either way the scorekeeping around here gets ridiculous. Half the time I can't even remember what I said, and odds are it looks foolish five minutes later. Oh well. If I was always right, maybe the Sox would employ me and I'd make a helluva lot more money working in their FO than I'm making now. And last time I checked, nobody is on the Red Sox payroll and only Eric Van can say he was. So I guess being "right" on this board doesn't mean a whole helluva lot in the scheme of things. At the end of the day everybody is entitled to their opinion and you can't censor it. You can't beat a person down because they don't have the same philosophy as you. If you're seeing suggestions, you may think it's stupid, but others might thing there is some rational behind it even if they don't agree. For example, I don't agree with Pedro that they should entertain dealing Betts if they fall out of things, but I get where he's coming from. It's possible that Mookie does go elsewhere and they wind up with a draft pick for him. Belittling him over that doesn't make sense to me unless you know for sure that the Sox and Betts will come to an extension agreement. I think the odds of that are 50-50, so either opinion is defensible. Where I disagree is that the value of the 2020 season gets dismissed and I'm not of the school of thought that if the Sox disappoint in 2019 that they're going to be on the same track in 2020. This year has been the law of averages coming to knock at the door. Everything right last year. Nothing working out next year. I suspect 2020 would go fall in between and you'll need Mookie for that. And maybe Henry does fork over the cash? It's a coin flip, not an impossibility.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2019 15:41:21 GMT -5
Sox will be 2 1/2 games back by the end of June. Book it. You could be correct, but...honest question radiohix. Say you were a fan of the SF Giants - a knowledgeable baseball fan, but don't care as a fan one way or another about the Red Sox, Yankees or anybody else in the AL for that matter. If somebody came to you and said, the Red Sox are 8.5 out on June 1st, do you see them closing to 2.5 games out on June 30th, what would be your answer? In other words, leave out the Red Sox fan inside of you. If I did that, I would tell you the Red Sox are a lot more talented than you've seen so far. I'd also tell you the Yankees are playing amazing and they don't even have Judge, Stanton, and Gregorius back yet (and I'm sure I'm missing some others). I'd also tell you that I would have thought that without their best starter (Severino), their best pure hitter (Andujar), their 2 best sluggers for a good length of time (Judge and Stanton), and their best setup man (Betances) they'd be lucky to sniff .500. I'd also tell you that if the Rays gets Snell and Glasnow back healthy, they're a major handful as well. I'd tell you that everything that could have possibly gone right for the Sox in '18 went right. I still can't figure out how they were so damn successful with the worst hitting catchers, no production in CF for half a season, and bottom production out of 2b and 3b for the year and questionable middle relief, yet won 108 games and the post-season without breaking a sweat. The law of averages is a fickle thing. The Sox were due to come down to earth and have things go the other way, and they have. But I would tell you that the team is too good to continue to be mediocre. It'll be an uphill battle but the Sox will probably find their way to about 93 wins or maybe a little lower, and that they have a legit shot at a Wild Card spot, that they're better than Cleveland and Oakland and whatever other teams beyond Minny, NYY, Houston, and TB are out there. That's me trying to be as objective as possible.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 1, 2019 16:04:00 GMT -5
And all the chronic whiners shut the hell up for 3 weeks, that was great. I either enjoy baseball or I stop watching it. I don't even mind watching the Red Sox lose because I love baseball, not just winning. What I can't handle is the fans whining and bragging to others about how right they were about negative things (even though they were 100% wrong last season). They post the dumbest suggestions I've ever read because they can't handle not winning a championship every single season because Boston sports fans are now by far the most whiny spoiled brat fans in sports. The response to every single one of these posts should just be a baby throwing a temper tantrum gif. So I'll be back when these idiots shut the hell up when the slump is over. Posting when the Sox are only winning is called front running. No it isn't. I'll be watching every single game like I have done every season since mlb.tv started. I just don't enjoy this place at all when the Red Sox aren't winning. It's insufferable. Why would I do that to myself?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 1, 2019 16:33:24 GMT -5
Steve Pearce was placed on the 10-day injured list with a lower-back strain, so Travis will come up to take his place as a right-handed bat off the bench. He could get some starts against left-handed pitchers in the short term, and may even get some starts against righties as Mitch Moreland is also on the IL with a minor back injury. Travis was hitting .251/.359/.371 with three home runs in 49 games at Triple-A. Travis is not an MLB player, and I don’t even know if he can play at replacement level, but it is what it is. Personally, I would’ve called up Hernandez and put Chavis on first til Moreland comes back. At that point I DFA Nuñez, and use Chavis as the first baseman against lefties, and Hernandez as utility guy,/second baseman vs. lefties. In the SSS dept.: Travis in May .797 OPS. Travis vs LHP .835 OPS
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Post by radiohix on Jun 1, 2019 16:39:23 GMT -5
If I was a knowledgeable fan I would crunch the numbers before trying to give you an answer and I'll see that Mookie Betts' is OPSing .542 vs LHP, Chris Sale's LOB% is a laughable 67.1%, Eduardo Rodriguez BABIP is .345 to go with also a laughable LOB% of 66.5% all these marks, and many others that I don't have the time to lay here, are way way off their career marks. Long story short: A serious positive regression is on the way. Regarding the MFY, I mean they lost a that butcher Andujar but they got an unsustainable performance from Urshela with a .389 BABIP a 100 higher than his career number!! And it's not like he's having a better approach or hitting the ball harder or anything, it's basically pure luck, you saw it last night: hacks at the first pitch and gets a grounder that taps the mound and goes for a single, then gets a double with a screamer that hugs the foul line. In baseball anybody and I mean anybody can get hot for a month or two (I mean Bryan fking Lahair made it to the all Star game!) but at the end of the day talent is talent so I'm expecting a negative regression from his mediocre rear end. Check out Gardner splits: As the season wears out, his numbers will diminish as usual (.772 OPS in 1st half, .685 in the 2nd). They have 1 series remaining vs the Orioles, they don't play KC anymore. Let's say Urshela regress and they yank him for Gregorius, why it's considered that it's garanteed that he'll perform at an all star level? It's possible, but it's also possible that he posts a .396 OPS like he did in May last year. It's a long season, teams get hot and they also get cold an run into some dry spells. We gon' streaking baby and it'll be a beautiful thing to watch.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 1, 2019 17:07:28 GMT -5
ugh Cora gave in to the nonsense that Mookie needs to lead off? and now we'll have a hitter who's at least worse than Betts, Devers, Xander and JD hitting second.
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Post by station13 on Jun 1, 2019 17:08:37 GMT -5
Cora announced Mookie will lead off now. Benny has fail at the job.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 1, 2019 17:12:28 GMT -5
Good for Cora to admit his batting order idea just wasn't working. Now if he will finally realize Nunez is dead weight.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 1, 2019 17:17:54 GMT -5
Good for Cora to admit his batting order idea just wasn't working. Now if he will finally realize Nunez is dead weight. actually, it was working. Benny, in an arbitrary small sample, wasn't hitting well in the first inning; that's meaningless, Mookie went through a stretch last year where he happened to be hit poorly in the first inning. Meanwhile, Mookie was getting much more opportunities this year to hit with runners on, which is exactly what we want with such a good hitter. Switching Mookie back to leadoff is a bad move.
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Post by station13 on Jun 1, 2019 17:21:09 GMT -5
When Betts was not leading off, I was hoping he would hit 3rd or 4th to take advantage of his skillset, tough to K and great at RISP.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 1, 2019 18:22:32 GMT -5
Go to the moon Devers.
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Post by station13 on Jun 1, 2019 18:29:51 GMT -5
Somehow they didn't drop Benny down 3 more spot than where he is today.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 1, 2019 18:41:22 GMT -5
Btw, LOL to scenario B cuz it’s really pretty true. This team hasn’t been much fun to watch, beyond the emergence of Rafi, Barnes, and Chavis and Walden. But lots of underperformance including some very lackluster “teamwork.” There’s not a lot of picking eachother up, but plenty of letting down. Rick Astley would never do that. The team was really fun to watch when they had won 20 of 30 games about a week ago. To an extent, but for me it was largely tied into those players who’ve broken out. I still believe in the talent on this team...I think they’ve arguably got the best in baseball. But watching guys like Mookie, Beni, JBJ, Sale, ERod, even Porcello struggle with inconsistency is extremely frustrating to me. I know...that’s baseball, and for me it’s why the highs are higher...because when things click you remember the lows. And I honestly think they still have a reasonable shot at the division, for that reason...talent. NY has been obscenely lucky with their depth playing so well, and TB, while very good, has holes. The Sox are one silly run (which they have in them) from making it a real 3-team race. I’ll obviously watch right to the bitter, or brilliant, end. But right now, I’m finding their sense of urgency lacking and play generally uninspired. Even during that winning stretch, they lost several games they should’ve won. Whether luck, or karma, or strategy...whatever...those sorts of wins/losses are what, to me, make a championship club. Winning teams seize victory, and the Sox just aren’t doing it (yet) this year. They need another spark, like Chavis, whether it’s Sale or Rodriguez or Price going bonkers or Mookie or Beni having a stupid hot month. Someone to put the team on their back and will them to victory. They *should* be WS repeaters.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 1, 2019 18:41:54 GMT -5
Take that BABIP luck MFY.
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Post by cutz on Jun 1, 2019 18:42:01 GMT -5
WOW>Leon!
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