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Post by sittingstill on Nov 14, 2019 20:16:03 GMT -5
Don't know if this was discussed yet. Wonder how it might impact a certain Red Sox minor leaguer. Athletes attending U.S. military academies can now delay entry into the armed forces upon graduation to play professional sports if they make the cut.
Defense Secretary Mark Esper signed a memo last week that allows students attending service academies such as West Point and the Naval Academy to seek a waiver that would delay their entry into the armed forces so they could play professional sports.
The waiver would have to be approved by the defense secretary, and the athletes must eventually fulfill their military obligation or repay the cost of their education.
FWIW, the New York Times says
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Post by geostorm on Nov 15, 2019 9:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 15, 2019 9:31:36 GMT -5
It will be too bad if he has to take a couple of seasons off, but the way it lines up, if he does, I know he'll be rusty come 2022 but he will have none of that wear and tear other pitchers go through - and the way 2022 is shaping up, there might be a baseball strike anyways, so he would have all season to shake the rust off in the minors and if his stuff is still there he could find himself in the high minors by the end of the season ready for the majors when MLB finally resumes at some point in 2023, so while his career would be shortened, his potential to still become at least a middle of the rotation force for a good five year stretch would still be a realistic possibility. The Red Sox are gambling on this kid, but I think he's a great bet. Even with a two year layoff I think he is the best bet in our minor league system to become an impact pitcher. Only Groome has a higher ceiling but I'm not as crazy about his odds of reaching it as I am Song.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 15, 2019 10:38:24 GMT -5
Really curious about the spin/movement on his fastball. It looks really straight in this video, but kind of in that way that a fastball with a lot of rise can look straight sometimes?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Nov 15, 2019 10:49:10 GMT -5
I don't know how one can judge horizontal break from offset camera angles.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 15, 2019 10:50:58 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Nov 15, 2019 11:03:33 GMT -5
Really curious about the spin/movement on his fastball. It looks really straight in this video, but kind of in that way that a fastball with a lot of rise can look straight sometimes? Yeah I had the same thought, but I'm not too sure how visible spin rate is on fastballs. I definitely don't trust my eye at least. Song does have a presence to him that we haven't seen in a Sox pitching prospect in a while, though. Really hoping he can defer his commitment until later in his life.
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Post by geostorm on Nov 15, 2019 12:52:34 GMT -5
Really curious about the spin/movement on his fastball. It looks really straight in this video, but kind of in that way that a fastball with a lot of rise can look straight sometimes? Yeah I had the same thought, but I'm not too sure how visible spin rate is on fastballs. I definitely don't trust my eye at least. Song does have a presence to him that we haven't seen in a Sox pitching prospect in a while, though. Really hoping he can defer his commitment until later in his life. That right there, is was my 1st reaction/thought, watching that video...
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Post by Canseco on Nov 15, 2019 19:44:03 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 16, 2019 7:30:33 GMT -5
Yeah I had the same thought, but I'm not too sure how visible spin rate is on fastballs. I definitely don't trust my eye at least. Song does have a presence to him that we haven't seen in a Sox pitching prospect in a while, though. Really hoping he can defer his commitment until later in his life. That right there, is was my 1st reaction/thought, watching that video... Lol, I'm putting him down as the next "Face of Baseball"...
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 16, 2019 20:02:23 GMT -5
Really curious about the spin/movement on his fastball. It looks really straight in this video, but kind of in that way that a fastball with a lot of rise can look straight sometimes? Yeah I had the same thought, but I'm not too sure how visible spin rate is on fastballs. I definitely don't trust my eye at least. Song does have a presence to him that we haven't seen in a Sox pitching prospect in a while, though. Really hoping he can defer his commitment until later in his life. It's demonstrably impossible to judge FB rise by the eye. People were sure that Bard had a straight FB when he got hit his first few outings, when it had big rise. Who thought Okajima had more rise than Papelbon? He did.
Re horizontal movement, it is tough to judge it with a camera angle that offset but I still saw some nice armside run.
I'm most impressed by the low apparent effort to get 97, and, like others, with the poise and presence.
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Nov 17, 2019 1:18:27 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Nov 17, 2019 1:18:27 GMT -5
Song’s fastball has been electric in this tournament. And he works really fast. Arm slot seems to be working and the movement in the fastball is also working really well.
I still think mata has the best pure stuff in our system, but he just can not command the strike zone.
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 17, 2019 1:42:55 GMT -5
Not very optimistic sounding.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 18, 2019 23:33:23 GMT -5
From Alex Speier's Top 10:
If he is able to pursue his pro career immediately, then he’d probably at least rank fourth in the system.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 19, 2019 4:13:55 GMT -5
From Alex Speier's Top 10: If he is able to pursue his pro career immediately, then he’d probably at least rank fourth in the system. If he can't put it off can look back to fellow USN alum (and heisman winner) Roger Staubach whom served 4y of naval duty that included 1y of shore duty in Vietnam before going on towards his NFL HOF career. Song will be what after 2y away? All of 24? It wouldn't be an end of world scenario towards his future as a ballplayer.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 19, 2019 5:15:46 GMT -5
From Alex Speier's Top 10: If he is able to pursue his pro career immediately, then he’d probably at least rank fourth in the system. If he can't put it off can look back to fellow USN alum (and heisman winner) Roger Staubach whom served 4y of naval duty that included 1y of shore duty in Vietnam before going on towards his NFL HOF career. Song will be what after 2y away? All of 24? It wouldn't be an end of world scenario towards his future as a ballplayer. To that end, he wrote: If he must wait two years (or more), then it’s difficult to say what shape his career might take.
. . . David Robinson served 2 years in the Navy before starting his own Hall of Fame career. . . . ADD: I don't know if Staubach did it but in Vietnam, PBRs were manned by Navy personnel. Similar to the river boats in the movie Apocalypse. That's no picnic, you are a "sitting duck".
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Post by huskies15 on Nov 19, 2019 10:22:34 GMT -5
The differences between football & basketball development compared to baseball cannot be ignored here either. The sheer amount of mistakes and repetition you learn from in baseball makes losing 2 years of that in prime development years, a big deal.
Not catastrophic but definitely will change his development path. Could see him come back as a bullpen guy for a year as he builds back up to starter innings.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 19, 2019 14:49:32 GMT -5
From Alex Speier's Top 10: If he is able to pursue his pro career immediately, then he’d probably at least rank fourth in the system. If he can't put it off can look back to fellow USN alum (and heisman winner) Roger Staubach whom served 4y of naval duty that included 1y of shore duty in Vietnam before going on towards his NFL HOF career. Song will be what after 2y away? All of 24? It wouldn't be an end of world scenario towards his future as a ballplayer. The age won't be a problem. The possible issue is whether he can just start right back up after barely touching a baseball for 2 years.
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Post by ramireja on Nov 19, 2019 23:53:18 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 20, 2019 8:23:33 GMT -5
They should be able to make a decision about 3 years from now.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 27, 2019 19:16:28 GMT -5
I'm not knowledgeable about the contents of his waiver request, but it may not have to do with an exemption from service. The pending Navy decision is about whether athletes with promising sports careers can fulfill their service requirements afterwards.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 1, 2019 13:20:22 GMT -5
Also, when last heard, the decision was sent to The Secretary of Defense' office. That's Michael Shanahan not the Secretary of Navy, Spencer, who was recently fired.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 1, 2019 14:45:19 GMT -5
Also, when last heard, the decision was sent to The Secretary of Defense' office. That's Michael Shanahan not the Secretary of Navy, Spencer, who was recently fired. They only need 8 more years to review it.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 1, 2019 19:58:23 GMT -5
Also, when last heard, the decision was sent to The Secretary of Defense' office. That's Michael Shanahan not the Secretary of Navy, Spencer, who was recently fired. They only need 8 more years to review it. ...or eight more Secretaries!
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Post by RedSoxStats on Dec 1, 2019 22:03:37 GMT -5
Also, when last heard, the decision was sent to The Secretary of Defense' office. That's Michael Shanahan not the Secretary of Navy, Spencer, who was recently fired.
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