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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 4, 2023 21:21:34 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 4, 2023 21:25:48 GMT -5
I'll be stunned if he's protected and extremely surprised if he's selected.
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Post by boylstonbarhopper on Aug 4, 2023 21:54:35 GMT -5
It would have been nice if Song could've just been a baseball player when he finished his committment to the Navy, a shame that Dombrowski started this circus with him, hopefully he can be a normal minor leaguer now and focus on his development going forward. Dave Dombrowski made him rich. I assure you that Song is not complaining about anything that happened over the last 8 months, and the pearl clutching by Sox fans about this has been embarrassing.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 4, 2023 22:01:20 GMT -5
Posting this one more time just for the lulz folks This qualifies as a wholesale embarrassment...for Pete Abraham.
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Post by ephus on Aug 4, 2023 23:25:47 GMT -5
I also want to welcome Noah back to the family table!
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 5, 2023 11:46:25 GMT -5
It would have been nice if Song could've just been a baseball player when he finished his committment to the Navy, a shame that Dombrowski started this circus with him, hopefully he can be a normal minor leaguer now and focus on his development going forward. Dave Dombrowski made him rich. I assure you that Song is not complaining about anything that happened over the last 8 months, and the pearl clutching by Sox fans about this has been embarrassing. …..DD made Song in the neighborhood of $480,000. I would not call that rich unless he invests the money. DD cost Song development time, and if Song never makes the MLB because of this delay, DD may end up costing Song a lot more than $480,000….
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Post by boylstonbarhopper on Aug 5, 2023 14:10:07 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski made him rich. I assure you that Song is not complaining about anything that happened over the last 8 months, and the pearl clutching by Sox fans about this has been embarrassing. …..DD made Song in the neighborhood of $480,000. I would not call that rich unless he invests the money. DD cost Song development time, and if Song never makes the MLB because of this delay, DD may end up costing Song a lot more than $480,000…. And now, because he was on a 40-man roster, he'll make north of six figures for every year he plays minor league baseball for the rest of his life, regardless of whether he ever makes the big leagues. Developmental delay? Are you serious? He was working out, rehabbing, and playing baseball. You know, like baseball players do; like he's going to be doing now that he's with the Sox -- except he may have had access to even better coaching and training while the Phillies were trying to see if you could pitch in the majors. As for the circus, Jesus. He was a ballplayer playing baseball. What circus? No one who doesn't post in here even cared or noticed anything about him this season. The constant "won't someone please think of the children!!!!" shrieking that went on in here about him was laughable.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 5, 2023 14:14:57 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see how this harmed Song.
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Post by jbuttah on Aug 5, 2023 17:10:30 GMT -5
…..DD made Song in the neighborhood of $480,000. I would not call that rich unless he invests the money. DD cost Song development time, and if Song never makes the MLB because of this delay, DD may end up costing Song a lot more than $480,000…. And now, because he was on a 40-man roster, he'll make north of six figures for every year he plays minor league baseball for the rest of his life, regardless of whether he ever makes the big leagues. Developmental delay? Are you serious? He was working out, rehabbing, and playing baseball. You know, like baseball players do; like he's going to be doing now that he's with the Sox -- except he may have had access to even better coaching and training while the Phillies were trying to see if you could pitch in the majors. As for the circus, Jesus. He was a ballplayer playing baseball. What circus? No one who doesn't post in here even cared or noticed anything about him this season. The constant "won't someone please think of the children!!!!" shrieking that went on in here about him was laughable. Really? How much more can he make because he was on a 40 man roster if he never makes it out of the minors again? Is it possible that DD was doing Song a solid here, not thinking he'd actually be worth keeping on the major league roster, but rather it would enable Song to make much more through his baseball career if he never gets called up again.
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Post by boylstonbarhopper on Aug 5, 2023 20:55:20 GMT -5
And now, because he was on a 40-man roster, he'll make north of six figures for every year he plays minor league baseball for the rest of his life, regardless of whether he ever makes the big leagues. Developmental delay? Are you serious? He was working out, rehabbing, and playing baseball. You know, like baseball players do; like he's going to be doing now that he's with the Sox -- except he may have had access to even better coaching and training while the Phillies were trying to see if you could pitch in the majors. As for the circus, Jesus. He was a ballplayer playing baseball. What circus? No one who doesn't post in here even cared or noticed anything about him this season. The constant "won't someone please think of the children!!!!" shrieking that went on in here about him was laughable. Really? How much more can he make because he was on a 40 man roster if he never makes it out of the minors again? Is it possible that DD was doing Song a solid here, not thinking he'd actually be worth keeping on the major league roster, but rather it would enable Song to make much more through his baseball career if he never gets called up again. I'm not totally sure of the salary details, but he's definitely in a better financial position going forward as a result of the 40-man status. But honestly the money thing is secondary from the fact that he simply wean't harmed by this in any way, there was no "circus," none of this is all that meaningful at all.
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Post by patford on Aug 5, 2023 23:51:17 GMT -5
There's is a purely speculative possibility the Phillies initially pushed him too hard resulting in a minor injury and possibly pushed him again late. He never was seriously injured and he and ultimately the Sox benefited from the Phillies spending months working with him. The thing which might have been better would be if he had spent a month or more just doing stretching and strength building with some long toss. Maybe have him do yoga? Just get his body as limber and flexible as possible and go from there.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 6, 2023 0:05:55 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see how this harmed Song. So the way he was ramped up after coming back from the back strain didn't feel like the ideal way to ease someone back who has been out for so long, but it doesn't seem like one of those things that makes a difference. It's like when there's hand-wringing about when someone isn't promoted or is at a level that might not be optimal for a couple weeks - it feels big in the moment but if that's going to derail a career then it was getting derailed anyway. There's a gap between "Noah Song shouldn't have been facing Triple-A hitters at this point in his development" (almost certainly correct) and "Facing Triple-A hitters for a week will RUIN Noah Song" (certifiably nuts).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 6, 2023 8:11:40 GMT -5
Really? How much more can he make because he was on a 40 man roster if he never makes it out of the minors again? Is it possible that DD was doing Song a solid here, not thinking he'd actually be worth keeping on the major league roster, but rather it would enable Song to make much more through his baseball career if he never gets called up again. I'm not totally sure of the salary details, but he's definitely in a better financial position going forward as a result of the 40-man status. But honestly the money thing is secondary from the fact that he simply wean't harmed by this in any way, there was no "circus," none of this is all that meaningful at all. JJ Cooper responded to one of my tweets to point out that there are rules about how much your salary can go down after you've been on the 40-man, which I think I knew about at one time but both forgot about and want sure if it applied to Rule 5 guys. So his salaries going forward will be higher now.
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Post by soxscouting on Aug 6, 2023 14:37:50 GMT -5
JJ Cooper responded to one of my tweets to point out that there are rules about how much your salary can go down after you've been on the 40-man, which I think I knew about at one time but both forgot about and want sure if it applied to Rule 5 guys. So his salaries going forward will be higher now. The minimum minor league salary in 2023 for guys with at least 1 day of major league service time is $117,400, which is a very nice bump over the ~$27,000 standard single-A salary.
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Post by ramireja on Aug 7, 2023 12:11:42 GMT -5
Reposting this tweet from July 4th, because when it was originally posted, I feared it meant he could stick with the Phillies. Now that he's back with us I can appreciate this clip and see something decent stuff!
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 7, 2023 12:13:30 GMT -5
He's been getting a ton of whiffs on his secondaries.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 13, 2023 14:15:37 GMT -5
He's ready.
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Noah Song
Aug 13, 2023 14:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 13, 2023 14:17:46 GMT -5
Phillies are totally gonna select him again
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Post by patford on Aug 13, 2023 16:10:28 GMT -5
Phillies are totally gonna select him again The Red Sox have until December to decide whether or not to place him on the 40 man. About 3 1/2 months.
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Post by terriblehondo on Aug 13, 2023 16:54:20 GMT -5
So will Noah be ranked again? He was still highly ranked when he was pulled off of the rankings. I think he was projected as maybe a 3 at the time. Probably around 15 when he was pulled off the rankings or has that ship passed?
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Noah Song
Aug 13, 2023 17:14:30 GMT -5
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 13, 2023 17:14:30 GMT -5
Phillies are totally gonna select him again It would really be a shame if they did. He needs two years in minors of development. Maybe, we put him on 40 if he finishes strong.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 13, 2023 17:26:25 GMT -5
It's really hard to know how much you can expect him to improve after a real offseason. Maybe it's a lot, or maybe that's not realistic.
His control is nowhere close to good enough now and his velo is several ticks down from his draft year. But his curve, slider and change all look pretty strong. It's not totally crazy to me to imagine him showing up to camp next year as a guy ready to rocket up the ladder.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 13, 2023 18:36:33 GMT -5
This is perhaps a stupid question but is Song potentially an Arizona Fall League guy?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 13, 2023 19:45:01 GMT -5
If Song's secondaries are there, he'd be able to hold down a 26 man slot for 3 months.
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Post by keninten on Aug 13, 2023 20:11:11 GMT -5
This is perhaps a stupid question but is Song potentially an Arizona Fall League guy? Hope not. If he`s good we`d might have to protect him.
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