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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 19, 2019 0:21:54 GMT -5
This pitcher has an 11 ERA. We can't even make contact
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 19, 2019 0:23:01 GMT -5
Nunez finally got into the game...now this one has it all
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 19, 2019 0:27:51 GMT -5
When our offense is good, it is great. Tonight is the flip side. Hopeless and helpless.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 19, 2019 0:28:17 GMT -5
Velasquez can't have much left.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 19, 2019 0:31:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree for the most part. Bailey, Hanrahan, Smith, Thornburg...trading for “established” “quality” relievers is a losing proposition. I’m not going to pan the Kimbrel trade, because it’s been done to death, and they basically got about what they could expect, and it more or less worked out. But that’s a TON of prospect capital to give up for two years of very good relief and one outstanding, at $39M. I mean, I think Giles is interesting but idk if I’d part with Mata for him. I think the ideal approach to relievers is exactly what they’ve done: comb waivers, make some minor trades, come up with the Waldens, Brasiers, Brewers, and Taylors, and polish them into quality arms, while drafting guys like Feltman and Schellinger, converting Weems, etc. Use low-cost volume and trust your gurus. I have absolutely ZERO complaints about this bullpen. It’s been solid, with a couple incredibly bright spots and some intriguing guys like Taylor. They go trading Dalbec or Duran and Mata or Hernandez for Yates or Giles...and the odds are probably even or worse they end up with Thornburg redux. If you can find a *deal*, on a guy you really like who doesn’t cost too much, OK. But trading Gleyber Torres (and they don’t even have anyone close) for Aroldis Chapman is just straight stupid. Better off finding a Wade Davis SP, trading a lesser prospect or two or taking on salary, and converting him to RP. Imo any reliever acquisition needs to be minimal cost talent-wise. The outcomes are just WAY too volatile. Cubs fans don't think the Chapman trade was dumb. They'd have over 110 years of losing if it didn't happen. Dombrowski is trading for a guy Telson imo. Get ready for it. You're probably not going to like it either. Thing is, Chapman wasn’t the reason they won. He helped, but they could’ve gotten plenty of other arms and had similar results at less cost. They paid through the nose to minimize risk by acquiring a single player. They could’ve sacrificed a lot less, gotten two guys, and had similar odds of getting essentially equivalent performance. I don’t think that “one guy” approach is justifiable on this team. There’s just no way they move the needle THAT much. Sure, he might do it, but odds are it’s a bad long-term move, and a fair chance it’s not much of a short-term one either. Look at their big-name reliever trade history. Look at the big-name (and BIG $) reliever performance history of last year’s FAs. All I hope is that they don’t blow by the cap, or give up a “real” non-redundant prospect. They’ve already proven the viability of their bullpen approach. If they’re smart they’ll build on that, not trade the next Ty Buttrey along with Dalbec and Mata for Kirby Yates. And I love me some Kirby Yates. They need to develop their own, not mortgage the farm for someone else’s.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 19, 2019 0:35:23 GMT -5
JFC this game is pissing me off. Thank god I don’t work tomorrow cuz if they lose I’m gonna be miserable to be around.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 19, 2019 0:39:51 GMT -5
have to get this guy in etc etc
edit: thats not how you do it, JD
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Post by wildsox on Jun 19, 2019 0:41:10 GMT -5
This is incredible. How are they not getting this runner in
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Post by manfred on Jun 19, 2019 0:41:48 GMT -5
Great Lord Nelson. Puke emoji. Blaspheming. etc.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 0:41:58 GMT -5
Cubs fans don't think the Chapman trade was dumb. They'd have over 110 years of losing if it didn't happen. Dombrowski is trading for a guy Telson imo. Get ready for it. You're probably not going to like it either. Thing is, Chapman wasn’t the reason they won. He helped, but they could’ve gotten plenty of other arms and had similar results at less cost. They paid through the nose to minimize risk by acquiring a single player. They could’ve sacrificed a lot less, gotten two guys, and had similar odds of getting essentially equivalent performance. I don’t think that “one guy” approach is justifiable on this team. There’s just no way they move the needle THAT much. Sure, he might do it, but odds are it’s a bad long-term move, and a fair chance it’s not much of a short-term one either. Look at their big-name reliever trade history. Look at the big-name (and BIG $) reliever performance history of last year’s FAs. All I hope is that they don’t blow by the cap, or give up a “real” non-redundant prospect. They’ve already proven the viability of their bullpen approach. If they’re smart they’ll build on that, not trade the next Ty Buttrey along with Dalbec and Mata for Kirby Yates. And I love me some Kirby Yates. They need to develop their own, not mortgage the farm for someone else’s. Telson, Chapman had a ERA of like 1 in that playoffs. He was a huge reason why they won.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 19, 2019 0:42:01 GMT -5
LOOOL you can't make this up. runner on third no outs in the 17th inning; JD, Devers, Xander coming up and nothing. so sad
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 19, 2019 0:42:06 GMT -5
We deserve to lose this game. Period.
Gonna say it... what's wrong with JD?
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Post by wildsox on Jun 19, 2019 0:42:17 GMT -5
We don’t deserve to win this game. Runner at 3rd with no one out and the heart of the order can’t get it done
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Post by dd on Jun 19, 2019 0:43:20 GMT -5
What's the major league record for squanders in a game. Googled it but no luck.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 19, 2019 0:43:39 GMT -5
the three outs also came on three consecutive pitches after the stolen base
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Post by tizzle on Jun 19, 2019 0:44:14 GMT -5
Why the hell are they all swinging at the first pitch against a guy they haven't seen before? Pathetic.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 0:44:26 GMT -5
Velazquez got injured pitching too much in this game. Yeah, fix your game baseball.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 0:47:25 GMT -5
Why the hell are they all swinging at the first pitch against a guy they haven't seen before? Pathetic. Because no one knows how to play in the 17th inning.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 0:50:23 GMT -5
I honestly don't get games like this where it feels like I can get out major league hitters. How do professionals get so stymied by mediocre pitching? Both teams have good offenses.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 0:52:39 GMT -5
I honestly don't get games like this where it feels like I can get out major league hitters. How do professionals get so stymied by mediocre pitching? Both teams have good offenses. Because the players are physiologically asleep at this point and cannot perform like major league hitters.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 0:52:51 GMT -5
Thing is, Chapman wasn’t the reason they won. He helped, but they could’ve gotten plenty of other arms and had similar results at less cost. They paid through the nose to minimize risk by acquiring a single player. They could’ve sacrificed a lot less, gotten two guys, and had similar odds of getting essentially equivalent performance. I don’t think that “one guy” approach is justifiable on this team. There’s just no way they move the needle THAT much. Sure, he might do it, but odds are it’s a bad long-term move, and a fair chance it’s not much of a short-term one either. Look at their big-name reliever trade history. Look at the big-name (and BIG $) reliever performance history of last year’s FAs. All I hope is that they don’t blow by the cap, or give up a “real” non-redundant prospect. They’ve already proven the viability of their bullpen approach. If they’re smart they’ll build on that, not trade the next Ty Buttrey along with Dalbec and Mata for Kirby Yates. And I love me some Kirby Yates. They need to develop their own, not mortgage the farm for someone else’s. Telson, Chapman had a ERA of like 1 in that playoffs. He was a huge reason why they won. To be fair, I think Maddon was getting jealous of the Francona/Miller praise that he almost sabotaged his team by over using Chapman IIRC.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 19, 2019 0:54:25 GMT -5
got the bad feeling that the twins won't squander their chance here like we did
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 0:54:56 GMT -5
5 man infield! This is nuts.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 0:55:06 GMT -5
I know it's the smart decision to intentionally walk there, but it adds to the nerves that this game ends on a walk or HBP.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 0:55:26 GMT -5
5 man infield! This is nuts. Anything deep ends it anyways, so might as well.
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