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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 19, 2019 0:55:57 GMT -5
yea....putrid game to stay up and watch
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 0:56:45 GMT -5
Wow Cora is so mad. Rosario was way out of the batters box on the bunt attempt and should have been out.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 19, 2019 0:56:49 GMT -5
Most well deserved loss of the year. Overall offensive approach horrible. Embarrassing.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 19, 2019 0:57:13 GMT -5
sox should be mad at themselves for blowing chance after chance, not the at the ump for missing that rosario might have had a toe out of the batter's box
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Post by tizzle on Jun 19, 2019 0:57:23 GMT -5
Most well deserved loss of the year. Overall offensive approach horrible. Embarrassing. Yes, all the way around.
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Post by wildsox on Jun 19, 2019 0:57:43 GMT -5
We threw this game away... we can’t afford to be throwing games away
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Post by dd on Jun 19, 2019 0:57:56 GMT -5
Can't blame this one on the pen. 30 LOB and I think most of those were in extra innings.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 19, 2019 0:57:59 GMT -5
FML
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 0:58:16 GMT -5
Bullpen just got burned badly, team losses an affair like that, and now they're a loss away from putting yet another series against a winning team in the loss column. That and one of their pitchers might be hurt now.
Terrible.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 19, 2019 0:59:15 GMT -5
Disappointing
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 19, 2019 1:01:01 GMT -5
The only way they can score is by hitting the ball over the fence. They don't work pitchers anymore
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 1:01:38 GMT -5
Remember when I posted how good the Twins bullpen was?
11 innings and only giving up one run. This is a AL playoff team. So just to give you what the playoffs will be like, this is it and why you need quality depth in a bullpen.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 19, 2019 1:03:25 GMT -5
Remember when I posted how good the Twins bullpen was? 11 innings and only giving up one run. This is a AL playoff team. So just to give you what the playoffs will be like, this is it and why you need quality depth in a bullpen. the twins pitched a bunch of crappy arms tonight (Parker, Magill, Littel)...those guys aren't so good, our offense just collapsed
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 1:05:34 GMT -5
Remember when I posted how good the Twins bullpen was? 11 innings and only giving up one run. This is a AL playoff team. So just to give you what the playoffs will be like, this is it and why you need quality depth in a bullpen. I'm not going to lie. I know they're good, but they just feel like a paper team. What I mean is, they'll rack up all these regular season wins, but I don't trust them to win big series. Maybe it's because I'm so used to NY beating them up.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 19, 2019 1:09:27 GMT -5
Thing is, Chapman wasn’t the reason they won. He helped, but they could’ve gotten plenty of other arms and had similar results at less cost. They paid through the nose to minimize risk by acquiring a single player. They could’ve sacrificed a lot less, gotten two guys, and had similar odds of getting essentially equivalent performance. I don’t think that “one guy” approach is justifiable on this team. There’s just no way they move the needle THAT much. Sure, he might do it, but odds are it’s a bad long-term move, and a fair chance it’s not much of a short-term one either. Look at their big-name reliever trade history. Look at the big-name (and BIG $) reliever performance history of last year’s FAs. All I hope is that they don’t blow by the cap, or give up a “real” non-redundant prospect. They’ve already proven the viability of their bullpen approach. If they’re smart they’ll build on that, not trade the next Ty Buttrey along with Dalbec and Mata for Kirby Yates. And I love me some Kirby Yates. They need to develop their own, not mortgage the farm for someone else’s. Telson, Chapman had a ERA of like 1 in that playoffs. He was a huge reason why they won. And Joe Kelly was incredible last year. It could be anyone. That’s my point about minimizing risk. There are different ways to get the same result, many without dramatically reducing your future ability to win. Like, say, pitching Buttrey in MLB in June 2018 and trading someone else for Ian Kinsler, then having Buttrey around for 2019-2024. Just because Max Scherzer was worth his 7/200+ doesn’t mean every 30-y/o TOR starter is worth the same deal. Trading your best prospects for rentals is the simple answer, but that doesn’t make it the BEST answer. Especially when you’re dealing for rental *relievers*, who are notoriously unpredictable.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 1:11:05 GMT -5
Remember when I posted how good the Twins bullpen was? 11 innings and only giving up one run. This is a AL playoff team. So just to give you what the playoffs will be like, this is it and why you need quality depth in a bullpen. the twins pitched a bunch of crappy arms tonight (Parker, Magill, Littel)...those guys aren't so good, our offense just collapsed Yeah in extra innings, but they had some really good quality innings out of really good arms in those middle innings. Edit- It was 2 runs of 11 inning ball, but point remains.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 1:12:08 GMT -5
Remember when I posted how good the Twins bullpen was? 11 innings and only giving up one run. This is a AL playoff team. So just to give you what the playoffs will be like, this is it and why you need quality depth in a bullpen. I'm not going to lie. I know they're good, but they just feel like a paper team. What I mean is, they'll rack up all these regular season wins, but I don't trust them to win big series. Maybe it's because I'm so used to NY beating them up. I guess it's the NY thing, because this year the Twins have done the following: 1-2 NYY 4-3 HOU 3-3 CLE 1-1 BOS 3-0 Chisox 3-1 TB 5-1 LAA 1-1 MIL 1-2 PHL
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 1:14:54 GMT -5
Telson, Chapman had a ERA of like 1 in that playoffs. He was a huge reason why they won. And Joe Kelly was incredible last year. It could be anyone. That’s my point about minimizing risk. There are different ways to get the same result, many without dramatically reducing your future ability to win. Like, say, pitching Buttrey in MLB in June 2018 and trading someone else for Ian Kinsler, then having Buttrey around for 2019-2024. Just because Max Scherzer was worth his 7/200+ doesn’t mean every 30-y/o TOR starter is worth the same deal. Trading your best prospects for rentals is the simple answer, but that doesn’t make it the BEST answer. Especially when you’re dealing for rental *relievers*, who are notoriously unpredictable. Agree to disagree Telson. Hoping for another Joe Kelly story is like waiting for the megamillions to come up on your ticket. You get a legit arm who misses bats, you can justify it with a playoff run. I agree the Buttrey trade was stupid. I even said it the day they traded for Kinsler on here that the Sox gave up too much for a defensive first second baseman.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 19, 2019 1:21:26 GMT -5
Great defense, great pitching, bad JDM. He had a WPA of -.423 and his OPS dropped by .027 in this game.
Oh well. Still could get the series tomorrow.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2019 7:49:21 GMT -5
A day after the Red Sox had one of their best games of the season they blew a game they should have won repeatedly. They deserved to lose with all of the opportunities they had to win the game that they blew and when they finally capitalized on the Betts HR, they gave it right back the bottom half of the inning.
Their situational hitting hasn't exactly been stellar this season and it's showing up in the close games.
They took a game that should have been in the win column and dumped it into the loss column.
Annoying loss - the kind of loss that happens minimally in a virtually perfect regular season like last season, but it doesn't really change the big picture in my mind. Winning those types of games like almost all the time is a big reason they won 108 last year. It's a rarity, so they're dropping these types of games. Mixed in with other factors, I still see 93 wins in their future. Overall, they're headed in the right direction as far as making the post-season goes.
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Post by cdj on Jun 19, 2019 7:54:52 GMT -5
Brian Johnson will be in Japan or Korea 3 years from now and he will slay
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 8:33:33 GMT -5
the twins pitched a bunch of crappy arms tonight (Parker, Magill, Littel)...those guys aren't so good, our offense just collapsed Yeah in extra innings, but they had some really good quality innings out of really good arms in those middle innings. Edit- It was 2 runs of 11 inning ball, but point remains. What point? That the bullpens were pretty much identically good last night? 3 runs in 11.1 inning for the Red Sox bullpen? Great point. Twins bullpen is great, Red Sox bullpen is terrible, gave up almost the same amount of runs in a ridiculous number of innings. Definitely a bullpen problem that you've pointed out ad nasuem for 2 years now. What's next? A demand for better 17th inning relief pitchers?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 19, 2019 8:35:50 GMT -5
Wow Cora is so mad. Rosario was way out of the batters box on the bunt attempt and should have been out. He admitted after the game upon watching the video that Rosario's foot was on the line and he was wrong, apologizing to the umpires.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 8:36:49 GMT -5
Wow Cora is so mad. Rosario was way out of the batters box on the bunt attempt and should have been out. He admitted after the game upon watching the video that Rosario's foot was on the line and he was wrong, apologizing to the umpires. They need to redraw the lines at some point because there was almost nothing left.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 8:39:32 GMT -5
The Red Sox bullpen is terrible. This game wasn't an example of that.
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