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6/17-6/19 Red Sox @ Twins Series Thread
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Post by huskies15 on Jun 19, 2019 8:44:30 GMT -5
Bats need to score 10 in the first three innings tonight. Make it an easy get away game
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 19, 2019 8:53:48 GMT -5
That loss feels even more awful this AM (tired), but it is just one loss. When will this team get on a true run? Time for a team shrink to figure out how they can be so putrid with RISP? Cora to instill a kangaroo court (CVaz would have paid dearly with his dreadful late game ABs)?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 9:12:37 GMT -5
That loss feels even more awful this AM (tired), but it is just one loss. When will this team get on a true run? Time for a team shrink to figure out how they can be so putrid with RISP? Cora to instill a kangaroo court (CVaz would have paid dearly with his dreadful late game ABs)? I mean, I'm the most negative guy on the planet, but if they win tonight that's 7 out of 8 including 4 wins against teams with a winning record (albeit, that's not telling the full story that they still lost 2 out of 4 against the Rangers and it looks better that they won the last two rather than the first two). That's a pretty fair run to me. Unfortunately, the next series is against the lowly Blue Jays, but things pick up again when they face the ChiSox (outside chance of WC2, 3.0 games behind Texas/Boston) and then the Yankees. After that, it's: Jays Tigers Dodgers Jays Orioles Not a whole lot of competition until we get to: Rays Yankees Rays Yankees Royals (breather) (assuming the next two teams are still in the hunt) Angels (2.5 back) Indians (0.5 back)
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Post by dd on Jun 19, 2019 9:27:44 GMT -5
That loss feels even more awful this AM (tired), but it is just one loss. When will this team get on a true run? Time for a team shrink to figure out how they can be so putrid with RISP? Cora to instill a kangaroo court (CVaz would have paid dearly with his dreadful late game ABs)? I mean, I'm the most negative guy on the planet, but if they win tonight that's 7 out of 8 including 4 wins against teams with a winning record (albeit, that's not telling the full story that they still lost 2 out of 4 against the Rangers and it looks better that they won the last two rather than the first two). That's a pretty fair run to me. It's so hard to be optimistic this year. Many many moons ago my mom, in a situation like this, would say, "If, if, If ... If my mother had wheels she'd have been a trolley." Fingers crossed hoping for the ifs.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 19, 2019 9:40:02 GMT -5
I mean, I'm the most negative guy on the planet, but if they win tonight that's 7 out of 8 including 4 wins against teams with a winning record (albeit, that's not telling the full story that they still lost 2 out of 4 against the Rangers and it looks better that they won the last two rather than the first two). That's a pretty fair run to me. It's so hard to be optimistic this year. Many many moons ago my mom, in a situation like this, would say, "If, if, If ... If my mother had wheels she'd have been a trolley." Fingers crossed hoping for the ifs. Well heck, you could drop the 'if' and just say they've won 6 of 7 right now. That's a pretty good run!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 9:49:21 GMT -5
It's so hard to be optimistic this year. Many many moons ago my mom, in a situation like this, would say, "If, if, If ... If my mother had wheels she'd have been a trolley." Fingers crossed hoping for the ifs. Well heck, you could drop the 'if' and just say they've won 6 of 7 right now. That's a pretty good run! Eh, I disagree. Salvaging a split with the Rangers after dropping the first two, sweeping one of the worst teams in baseball and then winning only the first of a 3 game series against a good team. It continues the narrative of, they can't beat winning teams. Currently, they're 17-24 against teams with a winning record. They haven't won a series since early May and have been fortunate to not have been swept or split series in between.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 19, 2019 9:52:10 GMT -5
Well heck, you could drop the 'if' and just say they've won 6 of 7 right now. That's a pretty good run! Eh, I disagree. Salvaging a split with the Rangers after dropping the first two, sweeping one of the worst teams in baseball and then winning only the first of a 3 game series against a good team. It continues the narrative of, they can't beat winning teams. Currently, they're 17-24 against teams with a winning record. They haven't won a series since early May and have been fortunate to not have been swept or split series in between. The way you pop in after any loss and then disappear when they win sure is something. It just took 17 innings for a 47-24 team, playing at home, to end their six-game winning streak. If you're taking that as "they can't beat winning teams" then I don't know.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 19, 2019 10:01:15 GMT -5
Well heck, you could drop the 'if' and just say they've won 6 of 7 right now. That's a pretty good run! Eh, I disagree. Salvaging a split with the Rangers after dropping the first two, sweeping one of the worst teams in baseball and then winning only the first of a 3 game series against a good team. It continues the narrative of, they can't beat winning teams. Currently, they're 17-24 against teams with a winning record. They haven't won a series since early May and have been fortunate to not have been swept or split series in between. Haha, man, I don't know. I thought I was agreeing with you for once. Your framing of their "winning only the first of a 3 game series against a good team" when the series hasn't ended yet is downright impressive. As is the implication that they've stunk since early May (they're 29-18 since April 29th, a 100-win pace).
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 10:06:55 GMT -5
Well heck, you could drop the 'if' and just say they've won 6 of 7 right now. That's a pretty good run! Eh, I disagree. Salvaging a split with the Rangers after dropping the first two, sweeping one of the worst teams in baseball and then winning only the first of a 3 game series against a good team. It continues the narrative of, they can't beat winning teams. Currently, they're 17-24 against teams with a winning record. They haven't won a series since early May and have been fortunate to not have been swept or split series in between. I agree. Only winning 8 out of 7 games is acceptable.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 19, 2019 10:17:55 GMT -5
It just took 17 innings for a 47-24 team, playing at home, to end their six-game winning streak. If you're taking that as "they can't beat winning teams" then I don't know. I watched one (1) baseball game and it confirms all my pre-existing beliefs about the team, time to get posting.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:18:50 GMT -5
Eh, I disagree. Salvaging a split with the Rangers after dropping the first two, sweeping one of the worst teams in baseball and then winning only the first of a 3 game series against a good team. It continues the narrative of, they can't beat winning teams. Currently, they're 17-24 against teams with a winning record. They haven't won a series since early May and have been fortunate to not have been swept or split series in between. The way you pop in after any loss and then disappear when they win sure is something. It just took 17 innings for a 47-24 team, playing at home, to end their six-game winning streak. If you're taking that as "they can't beat winning teams" then I don't know. You can easily look at the Rangers thread and the beginning of this Twins series and see that I have posted in here. Go on, go look. Not my fault the Red Sox can't sustain any notable success. I was planning on updating the math thread regardless of how they did against the Twins. I wanted to wait a couple series.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 19, 2019 10:22:40 GMT -5
"Can't sustain notable success" = "Doesn't win every game."
And I looked, and the difference is what you post between games. If they win, you disappear until the next game. When they lose, you're in here between talking about how they can't win. It's tiresome.
Also, too "I was planning to update my math thread about how the Red Sox had no chance which I did every day after they lost, but wanted to wait until there was another series that confirmed my preconceptions before doing so. It didn't make sense to do it after those wins made all my previous posts look off-the-wall kooky."
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:24:13 GMT -5
Eh, I disagree. Salvaging a split with the Rangers after dropping the first two, sweeping one of the worst teams in baseball and then winning only the first of a 3 game series against a good team. It continues the narrative of, they can't beat winning teams. Currently, they're 17-24 against teams with a winning record. They haven't won a series since early May and have been fortunate to not have been swept or split series in between. The way you pop in after any loss and then disappear when they win sure is something. It just took 17 innings for a 47-24 team, playing at home, to end their six-game winning streak. If you're taking that as "they can't beat winning teams" then I don't know. Yes, what an AMAZING 6 game winning streak. They lost the first two against the Rangers, squeaked out two wins at the end, swept the 21-52 Orioles and then had a solid win against the Twins before dropping the second game. I specifically said that it would be great if they could pull out the 2 out of 3 against a winning team, but if they don't then it continues a trend that has been long-standing. I'm sorry, is 17-24 against .500+ teams suppose to be good? Yankees: 18-13 Minnesota: 19-14 Astros: 31-18 Rays: 22-22 Rangers: 20-23 Boston: 17-24 Last series win against a winning team was....... 4/29-5/1 against the Athletics. It's 6/19.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:27:15 GMT -5
Also, too "I was planning to update my math thread about how the Red Sox had no chance which I did every day after they lost, but wanted to wait until there was another series that confirmed my preconceptions before doing so. It didn't make sense to do it after those wins made all my previous posts look off-the-wall kooky." That's fine, I'll update it every single day. I purposefully wanted to space it out. Maybe I should be more, "rah, rah let's go get that W next time boys! You're doing great! Just keep trying! You can still win 100! I believeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Edit: and the math is the math. If they lose 4 in a row they still need to win that percentage of games. Even if they win a number of games in a row, that means after going on a very good run of winning multiple games in a row that they still need to win X% to have a chance of capturing WC1 or the division. Baseball is a series of runs where basketball is in-game, baseball is in terms of games. They're not going to play .800 ball and then continue winning at .650ish clip. They're going to slow down.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 19, 2019 10:28:37 GMT -5
Yes, "rah rah they are unbeatable" is the only thing east of spamming that they stink after each loss and only posting in your nonsense thread after each loss.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 10:28:49 GMT -5
The way you pop in after any loss and then disappear when they win sure is something. It just took 17 innings for a 47-24 team, playing at home, to end their six-game winning streak. If you're taking that as "they can't beat winning teams" then I don't know. Yes, what an AMAZING 6 game winning streak. They lost the first two against the Rangers, squeaked out two wins at the end, swept the 21-52 Orioles and then had a solid win against the Twins before dropping the second game. I specifically said that it would be great if they could pull out the 2 out of 3 against a winning team, but if they don't then it continues a trend that has been long-standing. I'm sorry, is 17-24 against .500+ teams suppose to be good? Yankees: 18-13 Minnesota: 19-14 Astros: 31-18 Rays: 22-22 Rangers: 20-23 Boston: 17-24 Last series win against a winning team was....... 4/29-5/1 against the Athletics. It's 6/19. It's funny how much this changes from day to day, when a team goes over or under .500 on a given day. Yankees were 11-11 vs. teams >.500 2 days ago. That was a great 2 days for them.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 10:32:21 GMT -5
Also, too "I was planning to update my math thread about how the Red Sox had no chance which I did every day after they lost, but wanted to wait until there was another series that confirmed my preconceptions before doing so. It didn't make sense to do it after those wins made all my previous posts look off-the-wall kooky." That's fine, I'll update it every single day. I purposefully wanted to space it out. Maybe I should be more, "rah, rah let's go get that W next time boys! You're doing great! Just keep trying! You can still win 100! I believeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! This is your post after losing 1 game to a team with a .667 winning percentage after a 6 game winning streak.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:33:03 GMT -5
Yes, what an AMAZING 6 game winning streak. They lost the first two against the Rangers, squeaked out two wins at the end, swept the 21-52 Orioles and then had a solid win against the Twins before dropping the second game. I specifically said that it would be great if they could pull out the 2 out of 3 against a winning team, but if they don't then it continues a trend that has been long-standing. I'm sorry, is 17-24 against .500+ teams suppose to be good? Yankees: 18-13 Minnesota: 19-14 Astros: 31-18 Rays: 22-22 Rangers: 20-23 Boston: 17-24 Last series win against a winning team was....... 4/29-5/1 against the Athletics. It's 6/19. It's funny how much this changes from day to day, when a team goes over or under .500 on a given day. Yankees were 11-11 vs. teams >.500 2 days ago. That was a great 2 days for them. Red Sox still haven't won a series against a winning team since 4/29-5/1. Played the Astros twice, Cleveland, Rangers, Rays, Yankees and lost all or split. Now they're playing the Twins and if they drop this is yet another series, in a long line of series, showing they can't win these series. That wasn't even that negative of a take.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:34:27 GMT -5
That's fine, I'll update it every single day. I purposefully wanted to space it out. Maybe I should be more, "rah, rah let's go get that W next time boys! You're doing great! Just keep trying! You can still win 100! I believeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! This is your post after losing 1 game to a team with a .667 winning percentage after a 6 game winning streak. Lol. I posted a couple of times saying what the Sox need to accomplish and was hopeful. Again, the streak that included 3 games against a 21-52 and came on the back of a split of the Rangers.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 19, 2019 10:35:14 GMT -5
So if they win tonight then you'll scrap your whole theory that they aren't good and should sell?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 10:35:43 GMT -5
It's funny how much this changes from day to day, when a team goes over or under .500 on a given day. Yankees were 11-11 vs. teams >.500 2 days ago. That was a great 2 days for them. Red Sox still haven't won a series against a winning team since 4/29-5/1. Played the Astros twice, Cleveland, Rangers, Rays, Yankees and lost all or split. Now they're playing the Twins and if they drop this is yet another series, in a long line of series, showing they can't win these series. That wasn't even that negative of a take. Right, unless they win every game for the rest of the season, they suck and you can tell us about it after every loss, rubbing it in about how right you are.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 10:37:28 GMT -5
This is your post after losing 1 game to a team with a .667 winning percentage after a 6 game winning streak. Lol. I posted a couple of times saying what the Sox need to accomplish and was hopeful. Again, the streak that included 3 games against a 21-52 and came on the back of a split of the Rangers. I'm sure Felger and Mazz would much rather hear your whining than this board.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:43:41 GMT -5
Yes, "rah rah they are unbeatable" is the only thing east of spamming that they stink after each loss and only posting in your nonsense thread after each loss. Not really, considering they haven't been great this year. They're 40-35. Since 5/6 they're the following: 5-1 against Baltimore 3-0 against Seattle 1-1 against Colorado 2-4 against Houston 3-1 against Toronto 1-2 against Cleveland 1-2 against NY 3-0 against KC 1-3 against Tampa 2-2 against Texas 1-1 against Minnesota That's 14-2 against horrendous competition 9-15 against quality opponents Great team.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:44:50 GMT -5
Lol. I posted a couple of times saying what the Sox need to accomplish and was hopeful. Again, the streak that included 3 games against a 21-52 and came on the back of a split of the Rangers. I'm sure Felger and Mazz would much rather hear your whining than this board. I mean, the Red Sox are juggernauts of beating terrible teams. Titans, if you will.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:46:20 GMT -5
Red Sox still haven't won a series against a winning team since 4/29-5/1. Played the Astros twice, Cleveland, Rangers, Rays, Yankees and lost all or split. Now they're playing the Twins and if they drop this is yet another series, in a long line of series, showing they can't win these series. That wasn't even that negative of a take. Right, unless they win every game for the rest of the season, they suck and you can tell us about it after every loss, rubbing it in about how right you are. Or, win a series against a winning team, like Minnesota, which I posted that I wanted to see to really start breathing life into this team and feeling better about them.
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