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6/17-6/19 Red Sox @ Twins Series Thread
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 10:47:19 GMT -5
Back to blocking people... Been awhile.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:48:39 GMT -5
So if they win tonight then you'll scrap your whole theory that they aren't good and should sell? If they win tonight I'll be a lot softer on the position. I don't LOVE a 1-game play-in and the Yankees are about to bury the division, but it'll be good to see them take a series against a team with a good record, especially on the road and especially after a tough loss like last night, mixed in with their recent winnings. I even said about 10 minutes ago that 7 out of 8 was good and was chastising someone else for being negative.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:48:56 GMT -5
Back to blocking people... Been awhile. Baby.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 19, 2019 10:50:05 GMT -5
One thing that's extremely telling is that you've devised this strict dichotomy between good teams and bad teams. I mean, the Rays very well may be better than the Red Sox - that doesn't mean the Red Sox are bad, can't beat good teams, or should sell. There's a huge gap between "the Red Sox are in a hopeless situation and should sell" and "the Red Sox might be, like, the seventh-best team in baseball instead of the best." That latter idea seems to offend you on some level, there's this childish "if they're not the best then they should sell Martinez and Porcello and Betts and rebuild" flip-over-the-Monopoly-board-because-I'm losing petulance. Nobody is saying that the Red Sox are problem-less or that you're not allowed to talk about ways to improve them or understand that the trades that helped them win in 2018 and win the division the previous years led to the lack of flexibility that's apparent now. We're saying to stop posting like a baby after every loss, especially after a 17-inning loss on the road against a team with a .700 winning percentage following a six-game-winning-streak that included three wins against teams with winning records.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:51:10 GMT -5
That loss feels even more awful this AM (tired), but it is just one loss. When will this team get on a true run? Time for a team shrink to figure out how they can be so putrid with RISP? Cora to instill a kangaroo court (CVaz would have paid dearly with his dreadful late game ABs)? I mean, I'm the most negative guy on the planet, but if they win tonight that's 7 out of 8 including 4 wins against teams with a winning record (albeit, that's not telling the full story that they still lost 2 out of 4 against the Rangers and it looks better that they won the last two rather than the first two). That's a pretty fair run to me. Super negative. Saying it's a good run they're on if they win tonight.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2019 10:54:34 GMT -5
Yes, "rah rah they are unbeatable" is the only thing east of spamming that they stink after each loss and only posting in your nonsense thread after each loss. Not really, considering they haven't been great this year. They're 40-35. Since 5/6 they're the following: 5-1 against Baltimore 3-0 against Seattle 1-1 against Colorado 2-4 against Houston 3-1 against Toronto 1-2 against Cleveland 1-2 against NY 3-0 against KC 1-3 against Tampa 2-2 against Texas 1-1 against Minnesota That's 14-2 against horrendous competition 9-15 against quality opponents Great team. So far, it's true. It doesn't exactly leave a peaceful easy feeling because those are the teams that would be potentially faced in the playoffs. But we've all seen scenarios where a team kicks another's team in the regular season, then match up in the post-season and it goes the opposite way. The Astros have had their way with the Red Sox the last few years, but the Red Sox got all the timely hits in the ALCS and the Astros couldn't get the key outs, didn't get the calls they wanted (the Altuve HR that wasn't), and had some key injuries hit at a bad time. The Red Sox got up a good head of steam, made the big plays, like Benintendi's catch, and JBJ made the three hits he got count for a ton, the Sox bullpen shockingly outperformed Houston's, and they beat the Astros in 5. When it's your season those things start breaking for you. When it's not, they don't.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 10:58:34 GMT -5
One thing that's extremely telling is that you've devised this strict dichotomy between good teams and bad teams. I mean, the Rays very well may be better than the Red Sox - that doesn't mean the Red Sox are bad, can't beat good teams, or should sell. There's a huge gap between "the Red Sox are in a hopeless situation and should sell" and "the Red Sox might be, like, the seventh-best team in baseball instead of the best." That latter idea seems to offend you on some level, there's this childish "if they're not the best then they should sell Martinez and Porcello and Betts and rebuild" flip-over-the-Monopoly-board-because-I'm losing petulance. Nobody is saying that the Red Sox are problem-less or that you're not allowed to talk about ways to improve them or understand that the trades that helped them win in 2018 and win the division the previous years led to the lack of flexibility that's apparent now. We're saying to stop posting like a baby after every loss, especially after a 17-inning loss on the road against a team with a .700 winning percentage following a six-game-winning-streak that included three wins against teams with winning records. I don't think they're "awful" by any stretch and I recognize (which I planned to include) that their run differential is better than any WC2 contender. They have an easier schedule lined up than most teams moving forward. There's a VERY good probability they can make the one-game play-in. What I question is the value of it. They aren't winning these series against great teams, Chris Sale has proven himself to fall off the cliff each of the last few seasons which means Price is your only real option, but then it screws up the rotation for a short-series, and I don't know if you can beat Houston, NY or TB. So, is it worth squeaking in and praying for the team to just get hot at the right time and somehow go on a deep playoff run and then lose the asset value that they have or do you capitalize on what they have that is nearing their expiry value and prepare for the longer term? I'm also very encouraged what I'm seeing out of Porcello lately. I don't know if I trust him to sustain throughout the season.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 19, 2019 11:09:14 GMT -5
One thing that's extremely telling is that you've devised this strict dichotomy between good teams and bad teams. I mean, the Rays very well may be better than the Red Sox - that doesn't mean the Red Sox are bad, can't beat good teams, or should sell. There's a huge gap between "the Red Sox are in a hopeless situation and should sell" and "the Red Sox might be, like, the seventh-best team in baseball instead of the best." That latter idea seems to offend you on some level, there's this childish "if they're not the best then they should sell Martinez and Porcello and Betts and rebuild" flip-over-the-Monopoly-board-because-I'm losing petulance. Nobody is saying that the Red Sox are problem-less or that you're not allowed to talk about ways to improve them or understand that the trades that helped them win in 2018 and win the division the previous years led to the lack of flexibility that's apparent now. We're saying to stop posting like a baby after every loss, especially after a 17-inning loss on the road against a team with a .700 winning percentage following a six-game-winning-streak that included three wins against teams with winning records. I don't think they're "awful" by any stretch and I recognize (which I planned to include) that their run differential is better than any WC2 contender. They have an easier schedule lined up than most teams moving forward. There's a VERY good probability they can make the one-game play-in. What I question is the value of it. They aren't winning these series against great teams, Chris Sale has proven himself to fall off the cliff each of the last few seasons which means Price is your only real option, but then it screws up the rotation for a short-series, and I don't know if you can beat Houston, NY or TB. So, is it worth squeaking in and praying for the team to just get hot at the right time and somehow go on a deep playoff run and then lose the asset value that they have or do you capitalize on what they have that is nearing their expiry value and prepare for the longer term? I'm also very encouraged what I'm seeing out of Porcello lately. I don't know if I trust him to sustain throughout the season. This makes it sound like any result that doesn't result in winning the World Series means that the season is a waste and that they should've been rebuilding. Like, the value in Rick Porcello and JD Martinez helping them to the playoffs is getting to enjoy the Boston Red Sox have a summer where they win 90 games and then play in the playoffs. They're not going to win every year, and not winning doesn't mean it was a missed chance to rebuild. It just means they didn't win. There's a lot of fun to be had in a year where they go 94-68, even if the Astros eventually knock them off or whatever.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 19, 2019 11:11:14 GMT -5
I don’t think this Sox team is terrible, just think that they are underperforming, and are losing a lot of games that they should be winning. Last year, on an almost nightly basis the team seemed like they found a way to win, getting contributions from every phase of the game. This year, all too often it seems like this team finds a way to lose a game, and like last year (only in reverse) they’ve had let downs in every phase of the game. I don’t feel like this team has to get a lot better, I actually think they are really close to being what they were last year, but they do need to get a little better and win some of the games that it seems like they’ve been giving away.
And … it is absolutely killing me that they are 5-10 in games started by Chris Sale, they’ve gotta win those games. I understand he got off to a slow start, but if you flip that record to 10-5 which is very realistic based upon his performance since the slow start, the Sox would be a game and a half out of first.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2019 11:15:17 GMT -5
One thing that's extremely telling is that you've devised this strict dichotomy between good teams and bad teams. I mean, the Rays very well may be better than the Red Sox - that doesn't mean the Red Sox are bad, can't beat good teams, or should sell. There's a huge gap between "the Red Sox are in a hopeless situation and should sell" and "the Red Sox might be, like, the seventh-best team in baseball instead of the best." That latter idea seems to offend you on some level, there's this childish "if they're not the best then they should sell Martinez and Porcello and Betts and rebuild" flip-over-the-Monopoly-board-because-I'm losing petulance. Nobody is saying that the Red Sox are problem-less or that you're not allowed to talk about ways to improve them or understand that the trades that helped them win in 2018 and win the division the previous years led to the lack of flexibility that's apparent now. We're saying to stop posting like a baby after every loss, especially after a 17-inning loss on the road against a team with a .700 winning percentage following a six-game-winning-streak that included three wins against teams with winning records. I don't think they're "awful" by any stretch and I recognize (which I planned to include) that their run differential is better than any WC2 contender. They have an easier schedule lined up than most teams moving forward. There's a VERY good probability they can make the one-game play-in. What I question is the value of it. They aren't winning these series against great teams, Chris Sale has proven himself to fall off the cliff each of the last few seasons which means Price is your only real option, but then it screws up the rotation for a short-series, and I don't know if you can beat Houston, NY or TB. So, is it worth squeaking in and praying for the team to just get hot at the right time and somehow go on a deep playoff run and then lose the asset value that they have or do you capitalize on what they have that is nearing their expiry value and prepare for the longer term? I'm also very encouraged what I'm seeing out of Porcello lately. I don't know if I trust him to sustain throughout the season. My guess is that we'll see a Snell/Sale matchup in a potential wild card game. Maybe this year the pattern with Sale will be different. Sale has never been anywhere near as awful as he was early on. Maybe what they did will protect for later on, so that he's dominant if it came down to a winner take all game. I'd be more concerned about the Red Sox offense against Snell, who has been really tough on the Sox, but like they say, any given day.... Talentwise the Sox should be reasonably up there with the other good teams. If health is there, the Sox have a strong lineup, as do the Yankees and Astros and even the Rays have been kind of tough. The Sox have a good 1-2 punch in Sale and Price IF Sale is still Sale. Eovaldi needs to be like he was last year and Porcello is Porcello. He's going to have his clunkers and then he has those games where he rolls through lineups with ease on low pitch counts. In a way, minus the knuckle ball, he reminds me a lot of Tim Wakefield, a guy who bleeds Red Sox red, really wants to be in Boston, is a good teammate, throws a ton of innings, gets roughed up at times, puts up ERA around league average and usually has a lot of wins and losses because he figures in the decision instead of doing the 5 and fly thing - plus durability, can be relied on to pitch every 5th day. I anticipate an ERA around 4.5 for Porcello when all is said and done and he'll throw the innings. I hope he can stay beyond this year, but unless the Sox free up some more money, I don't see it. When all the talk about Pedroia's contract situation came up - like can he retire out of that money and recoup it as a lifetime consultant for the Red Sox so it's off the payroll books (he can't), I was thinking - there would be most of Porcello's money, but...probably not happening. My biggest concerns with the Sox in the post-season would be - will the pen hang onto narrow leads late? Will they hit with runners in scoring position and maximize their scoring chances? But either way I expect to see at least one playoff game, so the idea of selling off, especially when next year's team has a shot to be better, doesn't make much sense to me. I just hope the Sox can get pitching help without trading the next Ty Buttrey.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 11:28:00 GMT -5
I don't think they're "awful" by any stretch and I recognize (which I planned to include) that their run differential is better than any WC2 contender. They have an easier schedule lined up than most teams moving forward. There's a VERY good probability they can make the one-game play-in. What I question is the value of it. They aren't winning these series against great teams, Chris Sale has proven himself to fall off the cliff each of the last few seasons which means Price is your only real option, but then it screws up the rotation for a short-series, and I don't know if you can beat Houston, NY or TB. So, is it worth squeaking in and praying for the team to just get hot at the right time and somehow go on a deep playoff run and then lose the asset value that they have or do you capitalize on what they have that is nearing their expiry value and prepare for the longer term? I'm also very encouraged what I'm seeing out of Porcello lately. I don't know if I trust him to sustain throughout the season. This makes it sound like any result that doesn't result in winning the World Series means that the season is a waste and that they should've been rebuilding. Like, the value in Rick Porcello and JD Martinez helping them to the playoffs is getting to enjoy the Boston Red Sox have a summer where they win 90 games and then play in the playoffs. They're not going to win every year, and not winning doesn't mean it was a missed chance to rebuild. It just means they didn't win. There's a lot of fun to be had in a year where they go 94-68, even if the Astros eventually knock them off or whatever. Not really. The 1-game play-in I feel like screws it up a bit. It's fun, don't get me wrong, but it's too risky for my blood. If it were best of 5, then that's more tolerable. The best teams in baseball can get knocked out of the first round. Bad example, but the 2004 Red Sox (won 98 games which is why it's a bad example) you got the impression they weren't going to win the division, but they felt like a team that could win if given the chance. This 2019 team is a heart attack every inning after the starter is pulled. They lack depth to compensate for injury (which JD looks like has something going on) and one of their front-line starters has a history of wearing down in the 2nd half. I would like to have proof that they're not just in it merely because they're able to beat up on horrible teams who are trying to be bad. Just merely give me the impression you can hang with some of these teams and win the games you're suppose to win and it'll help change the mood. Again, not in love with the Wild Card, but I'll plug my nose if they prove something against winning teams.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 19, 2019 11:32:45 GMT -5
Eh...sometimes you lose games you should win...sometimes you win games you should lose. Team is playing well. Move on the the next game
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 11:33:27 GMT -5
The Yankees and Rays play each other like 11 times in the next month or something. Worst case scenario is that the Red Sox won't be falling far behind both of the two teams. Best case scenario is they pass one of the two teams.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 11:35:13 GMT -5
I don't think they're "awful" by any stretch and I recognize (which I planned to include) that their run differential is better than any WC2 contender. They have an easier schedule lined up than most teams moving forward. There's a VERY good probability they can make the one-game play-in. What I question is the value of it. They aren't winning these series against great teams, Chris Sale has proven himself to fall off the cliff each of the last few seasons which means Price is your only real option, but then it screws up the rotation for a short-series, and I don't know if you can beat Houston, NY or TB. So, is it worth squeaking in and praying for the team to just get hot at the right time and somehow go on a deep playoff run and then lose the asset value that they have or do you capitalize on what they have that is nearing their expiry value and prepare for the longer term? I'm also very encouraged what I'm seeing out of Porcello lately. I don't know if I trust him to sustain throughout the season. My guess is that we'll see a Snell/Sale matchup in a potential wild card game. Maybe this year the pattern with Sale will be different. Sale has never been anywhere near as awful as he was early on. Maybe what they did will protect for later on, so that he's dominant if it came down to a winner take all game. I'd be more concerned about the Red Sox offense against Snell, who has been really tough on the Sox, but like they say, any given day.... Talentwise the Sox should be reasonably up there with the other good teams. If health is there, the Sox have a strong lineup, as do the Yankees and Astros and even the Rays have been kind of tough. The Sox have a good 1-2 punch in Sale and Price IF Sale is still Sale. Eovaldi needs to be like he was last year and Porcello is Porcello. He's going to have his clunkers and then he has those games where he rolls through lineups with ease on low pitch counts. In a way, minus the knuckle ball, he reminds me a lot of Tim Wakefield, a guy who bleeds Red Sox red, really wants to be in Boston, is a good teammate, throws a ton of innings, gets roughed up at times, puts up ERA around league average and usually has a lot of wins and losses because he figures in the decision instead of doing the 5 and fly thing - plus durability, can be relied on to pitch every 5th day. I anticipate an ERA around 4.5 for Porcello when all is said and done and he'll throw the innings. I hope he can stay beyond this year, but unless the Sox free up some more money, I don't see it. When all the talk about Pedroia's contract situation came up - like can he retire out of that money and recoup it as a lifetime consultant for the Red Sox so it's off the payroll books (he can't), I was thinking - there would be most of Porcello's money, but...probably not happening. My biggest concerns with the Sox in the post-season would be - will the pen hang onto narrow leads late? Will they hit with runners in scoring position and maximize their scoring chances? But either way I expect to see at least one playoff game, so the idea of selling off, especially when next year's team has a shot to be better, doesn't make much sense to me. I just hope the Sox can get pitching help without trading the next Ty Buttrey.I don't know why selling off pieces for 2019 means you have to be worse in 2020. Let's play the stupid game and say the Rays offer you Wander Franco and a package of other prospects for JD Martinez. It's not like you're stuck with Wander Franco forever. Why couldn't you flip him in the off-season? Not that it ever works, but if JD Martinez opts out, you could potentially re-sign him again. Yankees did that with Chapman. They could also sign Anthony Rendon and flip or move Devers. Devers is younger, cheaper and equivalent in WAR, I get that, but I'm saying you could flip for more talent at other positions. Point is, just because you sell off some pieces in 2019 doesn't automatically make you worse in 2020, especially if JD starts breaking down and plays less and less in the OF.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 11:37:26 GMT -5
The Yankees and Rays play each other like 11 times in the next month or something. Worst case scenario is that the Red Sox won't be falling far behind both of the two teams. Best case scenario is they pass one of the two teams. 7/22-8/4 is going to be an interesting period of Red Sox baseball for sure. 14 straight games of Rays and Yankees.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 19, 2019 11:43:15 GMT -5
The Yankees and Rays play each other like 11 times in the next month or something. Worst case scenario is that the Red Sox won't be falling far behind both of the two teams. Best case scenario is they pass one of the two teams. 7/22-8/4 is going to be an interesting period of Red Sox baseball for sure. 14 straight games of Rays and Yankees. Will you promise to post after wins as well as losses.
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Post by station13 on Jun 19, 2019 11:43:52 GMT -5
Bullpen were lucky last night. Doubleplay after the lead off double. Runner napping at 3B last night of the pick off. All with no outs.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2019 11:46:47 GMT -5
My guess is that we'll see a Snell/Sale matchup in a potential wild card game. Maybe this year the pattern with Sale will be different. Sale has never been anywhere near as awful as he was early on. Maybe what they did will protect for later on, so that he's dominant if it came down to a winner take all game. I'd be more concerned about the Red Sox offense against Snell, who has been really tough on the Sox, but like they say, any given day.... Talentwise the Sox should be reasonably up there with the other good teams. If health is there, the Sox have a strong lineup, as do the Yankees and Astros and even the Rays have been kind of tough. The Sox have a good 1-2 punch in Sale and Price IF Sale is still Sale. Eovaldi needs to be like he was last year and Porcello is Porcello. He's going to have his clunkers and then he has those games where he rolls through lineups with ease on low pitch counts. In a way, minus the knuckle ball, he reminds me a lot of Tim Wakefield, a guy who bleeds Red Sox red, really wants to be in Boston, is a good teammate, throws a ton of innings, gets roughed up at times, puts up ERA around league average and usually has a lot of wins and losses because he figures in the decision instead of doing the 5 and fly thing - plus durability, can be relied on to pitch every 5th day. I anticipate an ERA around 4.5 for Porcello when all is said and done and he'll throw the innings. I hope he can stay beyond this year, but unless the Sox free up some more money, I don't see it. When all the talk about Pedroia's contract situation came up - like can he retire out of that money and recoup it as a lifetime consultant for the Red Sox so it's off the payroll books (he can't), I was thinking - there would be most of Porcello's money, but...probably not happening. My biggest concerns with the Sox in the post-season would be - will the pen hang onto narrow leads late? Will they hit with runners in scoring position and maximize their scoring chances? But either way I expect to see at least one playoff game, so the idea of selling off, especially when next year's team has a shot to be better, doesn't make much sense to me. I just hope the Sox can get pitching help without trading the next Ty Buttrey.I don't know why selling off pieces for 2019 means you have to be worse in 2020. Let's play the stupid game and say the Rays offer you Wander Franco and a package of other prospects for JD Martinez. It's not like you're stuck with Wander Franco forever. Why couldn't you flip him in the off-season? Not that it ever works, but if JD Martinez opts out, you could potentially re-sign him again. Yankees did that with Chapman. They could also sign Anthony Rendon and flip or move Devers. Devers is younger, cheaper and equivalent in WAR, I get that, but I'm saying you could flip for more talent at other positions. Point is, just because you sell off some pieces in 2019 doesn't automatically make you worse in 2020, especially if JD starts breaking down and plays less and less in the OF. Depends on the pieces I guess. If we are playing a stupid game, if the Rays offer Wander Franco for Eduardo Nunez, I think I'd be ok with that.I don't really think too highly of those types of situations because the Rays aren't going to make that kind of a trade. It doesn't make any sense for them. And that goes for most of the teams in contention. I think you're looking for the Chapman/Torres deal that Yankees made, but those Yankees were basically a team that wasn't winning more than 87 - 88 games max, and wasn't likely headed for the post-season. This Red Sox team, as aggravating as they are, is quite capable of winning in the 90s and making the playoffs, and if they survive the 1 game play-off, might be able to do some damage in the playoffs if a lot goes right. They're not quite in the same situation as those Yankees were. At least I don't think so. I guess another month into the season - it's July 31st and the Sox are something like 58-56, a few games out of the last Wild Card spot, Chris Sale or David Price is out for the season with an injury (please God no!!), and/or there's another key guy out like Betts or Devers or Bogaerts for quite awhile (again, Please God no!!) - then yeah, if Tampa offers up Wander Franco for JDM, I guess you'd have to strongly consider it. I just happen to think the Sox will be right there if not a few games ahead of the last wild card spot and if health is reasonably there - then there's no reason for the Sox to sell out 2019 and potentially 2020.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 11:54:16 GMT -5
The thing is, 80% of the league is selling. They aren't getting a Torres for a rental. No team will under this CBA. Calling for a team to be sellers a full 6 weeks before the trade deadline while they're tied for a playoff spot probably hasn't been suggested by any fan in any sport until now. That's some kind of special thinking going on there.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 11:54:43 GMT -5
7/22-8/4 is going to be an interesting period of Red Sox baseball for sure. 14 straight games of Rays and Yankees. Will you promise to post after wins as well as losses. My likely scenario, they keep beating up on bad teams, scuffle against winning teams and the joys continue all year long I'm not below admitting when I'm wrong though. Either they win, I relax and look foolish and I enjoy the rest of their summer. They continue being a .500 team throughout the season then I feel a bit of vindication. I'm very interested to see what this team does when playing TB and NY 14 times in a row. I won't be a ghost either way.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 11:59:59 GMT -5
In 2017, the Astros won 18 games all season vs. teams > .500. Red Sox have already won 17.
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Post by art on Jun 19, 2019 12:00:24 GMT -5
That loss feels even more awful this AM (tired), but it is just one loss. When will this team get on a true run? Time for a team shrink to figure out how they can be so putrid with RISP? Cora to instill a kangaroo court (CVaz would have paid dearly with his dreadful late game ABs)? Cora should be found guilty by that court for failing to have Vazquez attempt a squeeze. 2X.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 12:01:21 GMT -5
The thing is, 80% of the league is selling. They aren't getting a Torres for a rental. No team will under this CBA. Calling for a team to be sellers a full 6 weeks before the trade deadline while they're tied for a playoff spot probably hasn't been suggested by any fan in any sport until now. That's some kind of special thinking going on there. Depends who's available. Sure, KC would like to sell off. Who are they selling? I guess Whit Merrifield is a name, but that's about it. He also fills a position you wouldn't be looking to trade off. Depends on need/availability. No, I don't want to trade JD for pennies when they'll just get a draft pick if he walks. Another factor is I don't think JD and Mookie can co-exist contractually on this team.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 19, 2019 12:02:51 GMT -5
In 2017, the Astros won 18 games all season vs. teams > .500. Red Sox have already won 17. That's unfair. They were 18-15.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 12:08:41 GMT -5
In 2015, the Mets were 28-38 vs. teams > .500 and made it to the World Series.
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