TearsIn04
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 22, 2019 20:29:57 GMT -5
Problem is that to get up to the MFY's talent level, they'd have to make a couple of significant acquisitions. One would be in the pen and the other would be a lineup piece. They'd have to blast past the top LT threshold and surrender their 2020 first-round pick. I don't see them doing that again and really don't think they should.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 22, 2019 20:45:41 GMT -5
That's two blown games in the last few. Sad...and these types of games take a toll.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 22, 2019 20:55:34 GMT -5
That's two blown games in the last few. Sad...and these types of games take a toll. Agree - still 8 out of the last 10.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 22, 2019 20:58:16 GMT -5
That's two blown games in the last few. Sad...and these types of games take a toll. Agree - still 8 out of the last 10. Agreed - but for a team trying to swim upstream after a bad start, can't be tossing away winnable games.
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Post by tizzle on Jun 22, 2019 21:02:31 GMT -5
Problem is that to get up to the MFY's talent level, they'd have to make a couple of significant acquisitions. One would be in the pen and the other would be a lineup piece. They'd have to blast past the top LT threshold and surrender their 2020 first-round pick. I don't see them doing that again and really don't think they should. Or you get creative. This is what a GM's job is. Maybe you find a guy with a small salary, maybe you give up an extra prospect in exchange for paying off the acquired player's salary, maybe you move Moreland before his second half fade to save some money. Or just cash in on this season and sell. It's the whole not really trying to win, but pretending we are that'll tick me off.
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 22, 2019 22:16:25 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2019 22:47:13 GMT -5
That's two blown games in the last few. Sad...and these types of games take a toll. 3 blown saves Soxfan. They had 2 of them against the Twins in the 17 inning game. Lol if we are being technical here.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2019 22:50:16 GMT -5
Expanded playoff format means more buyers than sellers. It takes one team who feels they're a closer away from a championship to over spend. He's been really, really good. You're not going to get him for Mata. I don't know... Hard throwers are a dime a dozen nowadays. I know he's been really good, I wouldn't want him if he wasn't. Yeah, that's how I feel too. Giles should go for say a Dalbec and that's it. Giles doesn't have much control left and he's worth the price of admission. He looked great yesterday heading off of the injured list recently. I hope Dave Dombrowski was watching.
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ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 22, 2019 22:53:50 GMT -5
That one game will drop our ranking in WPA from 6th in MLB to 10th.
If you had to pick a date when overwork would lead to a catastrophic bullpen meltdown, you would have missed it by a day. Tomorrow is the last day the pen will be missing Steven Wright, a guy good enough to wait for rather than overpay to replace.
Did folks see where Darwinzon has fanned 19 in 11.1 IP in his first inning of work? In MLB he went groundball double (first MLB batter faced), two foul popups, and 4 swinging strikeouts. It seems as if every time he sits, he has a chance of losing his mechanics. He has always been a second guy worth waiting for. DDo made that very clear talking to Speier, and their confidence that he can be a good bullpen piece goes a long way to explaining why they didn't sign anyone this wnter.
They did not have enough depth to weather the Hembree injury, which left them with only three above-average relievers. In the long run, they do have that depth.
Barnes, Wright, Walden, Workman, Hembree, Hernandez, Johnson as the long man. That's your pen down the stretch drive. The only acquisition that would make sense is a stud closer with Hembree going the other way, and I would explore that, but the acquisition cost would likely be too high for the actual upgrade.
Now, there will be stretches of time where one of those 6 short guys will be on the IL, so you continue to hope that someone from the Taylor, Brasier, Brewer, Shawaryn, Velazquez, Lakins, Feltman, etc. group can demonstrate that they're above average. Which is to say that right now there's a solid chance that the organization will end up with an above-average MLB reliever laboring in Pawtucket whenever everyone is healthy. That's why the only deal that could possibly make sense is swapping Hembree's two remaining years of control for a relief ace in his walk year (like Will Smith).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2019 22:54:18 GMT -5
Only the Mets have more blown saves (16) than the Red Sox at 15. i think the bullpen is good, but dam it's unfortunate/bad luck/whatever that this in now our 7th!! loss this year when leading after 7 innings. One of the ways in which it feels it's just not quite our year. Aren’t we up to 11 losses due to bullpen meltdowns? When I see two posts like these, it makes me feel justified for telling everyone that I want one more elite reliever. I also feel justified for figuring out how to combine two of these posts into one just now, lol.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2019 22:57:55 GMT -5
Did folks see where Darwinzon has fanned 19 in 11.1 IP in his first inning of work? In MLB he went groundball double (first MLB batter faced), two foul popups, and 4 swinging strikeouts. It seems as if every time he sits, he has a chance of losing his mechanics. He has always been a second guy worth waiting for. DDo made that very clear talking to Speier, and their confidence that he can be a good bullpen piece goes a long way to explaining why they didn't sign anyone this wnter. Darwinzon walked 7 batters in 5 innings of work in his last start. This would be the last guy I would want to trust in a high leverage spot right now in a playoff race.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2019 23:02:26 GMT -5
Well that was a disgusting loss. I'm glad I missed the game. 6-0 lead at home versus a lousy Toronto team. I know it's only one loss, but if the Sox do have designs on the division they cannot keep giving games away like they've been doing.
Hate to say it, but it's pretty obvious to me the team needs an experienced trustworthy high leverage reliever. I'd hate to think what one will cost in a trade.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2019 23:02:45 GMT -5
The MFY have taken the lead again over the Astros and if they win they'll be on pace for 104 W's. It just feels like their year. We switched places with them. They are the juggernaut of 2019 and we're the good, solid team. Most ominously, I think they're likely to finish with the best record in the AL. That means we would play them if we were to get past the one-game WC playoff game. That could be an ugly series. The Yankees like never lose nowadays. They have faced the Rays and Astros and literally just ripped both of their faces off. It was gruesome. The Sox are now 9 back in the loss column and 8 back for the division. They just got Stanton and Judge back, and Stanton now went deep twice yesterday. This might be one of the best lineups ever assembled after they traded for Encarnacion. If the Yankees keep up this pace, the division race will be over by mid August, just like it was last year for the Sox.
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Post by soxjim on Jun 22, 2019 23:33:51 GMT -5
Or just cash in on this season and sell. It's the whole not really trying to win, but pretending we are that'll tick me off. Not trying to win? Ughhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last year even though they were winning it felt like to some posters that the GM was blundering about. Always complaining regardless of wins. Now its that he is intentionally not trying to win.
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Post by soxjim on Jun 22, 2019 23:54:45 GMT -5
Well that was a disgusting loss. I'm glad I missed the game. 6-0 lead at home versus a lousy Toronto team. I know it's only one loss, but if the Sox do have designs on the division they cannot keep giving games away like they've been doing. Hate to say it, but it's pretty obvious to me the team needs an experienced trustworthy high leverage reliever. I'd hate to think what one will cost in a trade. Who would be "trustworthy" that you think Sox should get?
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 22, 2019 23:57:11 GMT -5
I don't know... Hard throwers are a dime a dozen nowadays. I know he's been really good, I wouldn't want him if he wasn't. Yeah, that's how I feel too. Giles should go for say a Dalbec and that's it. Giles doesn't have much control left and he's worth the price of admission. He looked great yesterday heading off of the injured list recently. I hope Dave Dombrowski was watching. Hes a free agent after 2020 right? If they are dumb enough to trade Dalbec for a year and change of Giles I'm rioting.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 23, 2019 0:00:59 GMT -5
The MFY have taken the lead again over the Astros and if they win they'll be on pace for 104 W's. It just feels like their year. We switched places with them. They are the juggernaut of 2019 and we're the good, solid team. Most ominously, I think they're likely to finish with the best record in the AL. That means we would play them if we were to get past the one-game WC playoff game. That could be an ugly series. The Yankees like never lose nowadays. They have faced the Rays and Astros and literally just ripped both of their faces off. It was gruesome. The Sox are now 9 back in the loss column and 8 back for the division. They just got Stanton and Judge back, and Stanton now went deep twice yesterday. This might be one of the best lineups ever assembled after they traded for Encarnacion. If the Yankees keep up this pace, the division race will be over by mid August, just like it was last year for the Sox. That was a hell of a use of literally. Anyway, Red Sox are 8-2 in their last 10 games; Yankees are 8-2 in their last 10 games. Red Sox are 13-7 in their last 20 games; Yankees are 12-8. So the good news is they've been keeping pace for a while now. The bad news is they're 8 games back and keeping pace doesn't help with that. And "one of the best lineups ever assembled" is crazy talk. They might be marginally the best offense in the league this season but not by a lot - e.g., fangraphs projects them for 5.53 runs/game, and the Red Sox for 5.42. Here are their ZIPS ROS wRC+ projections: Judge - 138 Stanton - 131 Sanchez - 124 Encarnacion - 124 Voit - 123 Torres - 119 Frazier - 106 Gregorius - 104 Maybin - 102 LeMahieu - 101 Gardner - 94 Tauchman - 92 Urshela - 79 Estrada - 67 That's obviously a strong lineup, but nothing to put the fear of god in you. It's not even better than what they've already gotten because guys like LeMahieu and Urshela have given them ridiculous overperformances.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 23, 2019 0:23:19 GMT -5
Yeah, that's how I feel too. Giles should go for say a Dalbec and that's it. Giles doesn't have much control left and he's worth the price of admission. He looked great yesterday heading off of the injured list recently. I hope Dave Dombrowski was watching. Hes a free agent after 2020 right? If they are dumb enough to trade Dalbec for a year and change of Giles I'm rioting. Dalbec has really no future here if the Sox are committed to Devers long-term, like I think they are. Add-
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Post by soxjim on Jun 23, 2019 1:03:47 GMT -5
Yeah, that's how I feel too. Giles should go for say a Dalbec and that's it. Giles doesn't have much control left and he's worth the price of admission. He looked great yesterday heading off of the injured list recently. I hope Dave Dombrowski was watching. Hes a free agent after 2020 right? If they are dumb enough to trade Dalbec for a year and change of Giles I'm rioting. I'm with you. No way Sox should give up Dalbec for Giles.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 23, 2019 5:53:53 GMT -5
Did folks see where Darwinzon has fanned 19 in 11.1 IP in his first inning of work? In MLB he went groundball double (first MLB batter faced), two foul popups, and 4 swinging strikeouts. It seems as if every time he sits, he has a chance of losing his mechanics. He has always been a second guy worth waiting for. DDo made that very clear talking to Speier, and their confidence that he can be a good bullpen piece goes a long way to explaining why they didn't sign anyone this wnter. Darwinzon walked 7 batters in 5 innings of work in his last start. This would be the last guy I would want to trust in a high leverage spot right now in a playoff race. Control is an issue in the pen. Barnes and Workman, your theoretically best relievers have very dangerous walk rates. Honestly Barnes has always walked a lot of guys and given up a pretty high BABIP, which is why games like yesterday happen. Brasier and Workman are not elite closer level players who can come into that mess and be counted on the shut it down.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 23, 2019 8:10:14 GMT -5
Only the Mets have more blown saves (16) than the Red Sox at 15. Yeah I heard this. How many did we blow all of last year? Where would we be with 7 blown saves to date? If those stats and this nausea inducing game don't ring Dombrowski's bell, nothing will.
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Post by coachmac on Jun 23, 2019 8:31:52 GMT -5
Hes a free agent after 2020 right? If they are dumb enough to trade Dalbec for a year and change of Giles I'm rioting. I'm with you. No way Sox should give up Dalbec for Giles. All of you who are clamoring for the Sox to trade for Giles must have forgotten him walking off the field smacking himself in the head after another of his many meltdowns in Houston. When Hinch removed Giles from the closer role he pouted and whined about not closing. He's no sure thing nor has he proven to be good clubhouse guy.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 23, 2019 10:03:42 GMT -5
I'm with you. No way Sox should give up Dalbec for Giles. All of you who are clamoring for the Sox to trade for Giles must have forgotten him walking off the field smacking himself in the head after another of his many meltdowns in Houston. When Hinch removed Giles from the closer role he pouted and whined about not closing. He's no sure thing nor has he proven to be good clubhouse guy. I think he can learn from those mistakes. Price was a playoff chocker, until the narrative changed and he wasn't. Giles misses a ton of bats and has a boatload of talent. I'd take my chances on a guy with that much talent.
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Post by soxjim on Jun 23, 2019 10:45:51 GMT -5
I'm with you. No way Sox should give up Dalbec for Giles. All of you who are clamoring for the Sox to trade for Giles must have forgotten him walking off the field smacking himself in the head after another of his many meltdowns in Houston. When Hinch removed Giles from the closer role he pouted and whined about not closing. He's no sure thing nor has he proven to be good clubhouse guy. You sent this to the wrong poster(s). No way I'm giving up Dalbec for Giles. No trades for relievers for our top prospects unless he is a lockdown for sure. Many on here wanted Herrera last year. Okay for Giles and or others but not for a top propsect.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 23, 2019 10:50:37 GMT -5
All of you who are clamoring for the Sox to trade for Giles must have forgotten him walking off the field smacking himself in the head after another of his many meltdowns in Houston. When Hinch removed Giles from the closer role he pouted and whined about not closing. He's no sure thing nor has he proven to be good clubhouse guy. You sent this to the wrong poster(s). No way I'm giving up Dalbec for Giles. No trades for relievers for our top prospects unless he is a lockdown for sure. Many on here wanted Herrera last year. Okay for Giles and or others but not for a top propsect. Just remember, our top prospects are on the lowest rated farm system. It's possible that you are overrating our guys??
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