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7/2-7/4 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by patford on Jul 5, 2019 10:43:57 GMT -5
Devers is an all-star on both sides of the ball. Why he isn't on the all-star team, I have no idea. He does not play for the Yankees.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 5, 2019 10:54:37 GMT -5
Nice win but when is Betts going to wake up from his bad dream. It's been a really long time since he's been himself. Have there been any theories as to what is going on with him ? It just does not seem possible he's not snapped out of the funk which dates back to last year's post season. Betts, 2019: .262/.386/.452, 16.4 BB%, 14.7 K%, .384 xwOBA Betts, Career: .298/.372/.511, 10.2 BB%, 12.7 K%, .368 xwOBA Yeah, a little more power regression than you'd expect given the lively ball this year, but one little weekend homer flurry would put that right back in line with (reasonable) expectations. Walking more than he strikes out and everyone's talking about what a disappointing season he's having. It's such a mystery that Betts wants to test free agency...
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Post by MLBDreams on Jul 5, 2019 11:25:42 GMT -5
Good comeback win. The Jays have an even worse bullpen fortunately. Devers is an all-star on both sides of the ball. Why he isn't on the all-star team, I have no idea. Mookie Betts needs to give up "not deserved" all-Star spot to Devers that deserves to be on All-Star. Mookie cares about getting A.S. bonus in his off year this year. Who'll decide the replacement if it happens? MLB? Cora?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 5, 2019 11:39:12 GMT -5
Good comeback win. The Jays have an even worse bullpen fortunately. Devers is an all-star on both sides of the ball. Why he isn't on the all-star team, I have no idea. Mookie Betts needs to give up "not deserved" all-Star spot to Devers that deserves to be on All-Star. Mookie cares about getting A.S. bonus in his off year this year. Who'll decide the replacement if it happens? MLB? Cora? Nobody "gives up" their spot unless they're injured. I wouldn't expect Mookie to or anybody else for that matter.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 5, 2019 11:47:40 GMT -5
Nice win but when is Betts going to wake up from his bad dream. It's been a really long time since he's been himself. Have there been any theories as to what is going on with him ? It just does not seem possible he's not snapped out of the funk which dates back to last year's post season. Betts, 2019: .262/.386/.452, 16.4 BB%, 14.7 K%, .384 xwOBA Betts, Career: .298/.372/.511, 10.2 BB%, 12.7 K%, .368 xwOBA Yeah, a little more power regression than you'd expect given the lively ball this year, but one little weekend homer flurry would put that right back in line with (reasonable) expectations. Walking more than he strikes out and everyone's talking about what a disappointing season he's having. It's such a mystery that Betts wants to test free agency... Maybe some people think he is having a disappointing season because they are comparing this season with last season. All your doing here is comparing this year with his career numbers, which will be more standardized. Everyone loves Mookie, but it isn't unfair to characterize this year as disappointing, vis a vis last year. And while last year was a career year, this is shaping up more like his 2017 year, which was just wasn't as good, plain and simple. He also isn't stealing as much as in the past. i mean, do you think this year is disappointing ?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 5, 2019 11:55:36 GMT -5
Betts, 2019: .262/.386/.452, 16.4 BB%, 14.7 K%, .384 xwOBA Betts, Career: .298/.372/.511, 10.2 BB%, 12.7 K%, .368 xwOBA Yeah, a little more power regression than you'd expect given the lively ball this year, but one little weekend homer flurry would put that right back in line with (reasonable) expectations. Walking more than he strikes out and everyone's talking about what a disappointing season he's having. It's such a mystery that Betts wants to test free agency... Maybe some people think he is having a disappointing season because they are comparing this season with last season. All your doing here is comparing this year with his career numbers, which will be more standardized. Everyone loves Mookie, but it isn't unfair to characterize this year as disappointing, vis a vis last year. And while last year was a career year, this is shaping up more like his 2017 year, which was just wasn't as good, plain and simple. He also isn't stealing as much as in the past. i mean, do you think this year is disappointing ? I agree. Really, nobody was expecting him to repeat 2018 but I was certainly hoping for better than 2017. I was using 2016 as my expectation of what we can get from him. He is drawing walks. Awesome. But his hitting hasn't been as good. That should be pretty obvious. Batting average doesn't mean a helluva lot but when a player is going from .346 to .260 when you'd expect around .300, something isn't quite right. I think, for Mookie, being more aggressive is better for him. Cora talks about him being too passive at the plate, and I think he's right. Mookie does have an excellent hit tool but it's almost like he hasn't used it as he's capable of, and it's probably due to some passivity at the plate.
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Post by patford on Jul 5, 2019 12:11:46 GMT -5
Maybe some people think he is having a disappointing season because they are comparing this season with last season. All your doing here is comparing this year with his career numbers, which will be more standardized. Everyone loves Mookie, but it isn't unfair to characterize this year as disappointing, vis a vis last year. And while last year was a career year, this is shaping up more like his 2017 year, which was just wasn't as good, plain and simple. He also isn't stealing as much as in the past. i mean, do you think this year is disappointing ? I agree. Really, nobody was expecting him to repeat 2018 but I was certainly hoping for better than 2017. I was using 2016 as my expectation of what we can get from him. He is drawing walks. Awesome. But his hitting hasn't been as good. That should be pretty obvious. Batting average doesn't mean a helluva lot but when a player is going from .346 to .260 when you'd expect around .300, something isn't quite right. I think, for Mookie, being more aggressive is better for him. Cora talks about him being too passive at the plate, and I think he's right. Mookie does have an excellent hit tool but it's almost like he hasn't used it as he's capable of, and it's probably due to some passivity at the plate. Bett's himself isn't happy with the way he's playing. I don't expect last year but I do expect .290-.300 rather than .260.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 5, 2019 12:28:39 GMT -5
I agree. Really, nobody was expecting him to repeat 2018 but I was certainly hoping for better than 2017. I was using 2016 as my expectation of what we can get from him. He is drawing walks. Awesome. But his hitting hasn't been as good. That should be pretty obvious. Batting average doesn't mean a helluva lot but when a player is going from .346 to .260 when you'd expect around .300, something isn't quite right. I think, for Mookie, being more aggressive is better for him. Cora talks about him being too passive at the plate, and I think he's right. Mookie does have an excellent hit tool but it's almost like he hasn't used it as he's capable of, and it's probably due to some passivity at the plate. Bett's himself isn't happy with the way he's playing. I don't expect last year but I do expect .290-.300 rather than .260. Mookie does appear kind of unhappy. He's probably pressing. He was doing that last October according to Cora. He was putting a ton of pressure on himself. He's probably doing the same now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 5, 2019 12:31:20 GMT -5
Nice win but when is Betts going to wake up from his bad dream. It's been a really long time since he's been himself. Have there been any theories as to what is going on with him ? It just does not seem possible he's not snapped out of the funk which dates back to last year's post season. Walking more than he strikes out and everyone's talking about what a disappointing season he's having. It's such a mystery that Betts wants to test free agency... He wants to test free agency because he thinks he's worth a certain value, and he has said this. There's no spinning it, he wants to test free agency because he wants to get paid, not because Boston fans are critical of him.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2019 12:59:17 GMT -5
Walking more than he strikes out and everyone's talking about what a disappointing season he's having. It's such a mystery that Betts wants to test free agency... He wants to test free agency because he thinks he's worth a certain value, and he has said this. There's no spinning it, he wants to test free agency because he wants to get paid, not because Boston fans are critical of him. You just spun it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 5, 2019 13:15:35 GMT -5
He wants to test free agency because he thinks he's worth a certain value, and he has said this. There's no spinning it, he wants to test free agency because he wants to get paid, not because Boston fans are critical of him. You just spun it. Nope, I paraphrased Mookie's thoughts on his next contract. Add- I can quote him if you'd like.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2019 13:49:35 GMT -5
Nope, I paraphrased Mookie's thoughts on his next contract. Add- I can quote him if you'd like. Right, you're spinning it as if there's no chance that Mookie wants to stay unless they pay the most and that is simply not what he has ever said. He has repeatedly said that he wants a fair deal and that it would take care of itself when the time came, but he has never stated what that means. So any interpretation of that is spinning it.
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Post by patford on Jul 5, 2019 13:51:58 GMT -5
I mean, do you think this year is disappointing ? I wouldn't call his season disappointing in a vacuum, he's playing very well. But given his pending free agency and what we can roughly assume his asking price will be I'd prefer if he put up numbers that made retaining him more of a no-brainer. Unless an injury is involved players tend to build towards peak years and then decline. I can't fathom Betts hitting .260 for half a year following up a less than stellar post season last year.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2019 13:56:37 GMT -5
I don't get some people that want the Red Sox not to try to win this year and also don't want to try to keep Mookie long term. It's like they're afraid of trying and losing and would rather just give up so they aren't disappointed. I'm quite glad the Red Sox don't think this way because I couldn't root for them if they did.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 5, 2019 14:01:06 GMT -5
Mookie Betts needs to give up "not deserved" all-Star spot to Devers that deserves to be on All-Star. Mookie cares about getting A.S. bonus in his off year this year. Who'll decide the replacement if it happens? MLB? Cora? I like reading this post, it's like getting a glimpse at a batsh*t insane alternate reality that's very similar to ours.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 5, 2019 14:04:33 GMT -5
Betts, 2019: .262/.386/.452, 16.4 BB%, 14.7 K%, .384 xwOBA Betts, Career: .298/.372/.511, 10.2 BB%, 12.7 K%, .368 xwOBA Yeah, a little more power regression than you'd expect given the lively ball this year, but one little weekend homer flurry would put that right back in line with (reasonable) expectations. Walking more than he strikes out and everyone's talking about what a disappointing season he's having. It's such a mystery that Betts wants to test free agency... Maybe some people think he is having a disappointing season because they are comparing this season with last season. All your doing here is comparing this year with his career numbers, which will be more standardized. Everyone loves Mookie, but it isn't unfair to characterize this year as disappointing, vis a vis last year. And while last year was a career year, this is shaping up more like his 2017 year, which was just wasn't as good, plain and simple. He also isn't stealing as much as in the past. i mean, do you think this year is disappointing ? Not really, no. I don't see any real skills degradation, unless you really thought he was a true-talent .300 ISO guy after last year. Which, stories about the work he did with JDM and statcast numbers that may or may not have any predictive value aside, I don't think was ever a good assumption.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 5, 2019 14:07:13 GMT -5
Nope, I paraphrased Mookie's thoughts on his next contract. Add- I can quote him if you'd like. Right, you're spinning it as if there's no chance that Mookie wants to stay unless they pay the most and that is simply not what he has ever said. He has repeatedly said that he wants a fair deal and that it would take care of itself when the time came, but he has never stated what that means. So any interpretation of that is spinning it. "Mookie Betts told reporters Wednesday that he believes he’ll hit the open market when he’s able to be a free agent after the 2020 season. “That’s exactly what I expect,’’ Betts said. “I don’t expect anything to happen till I’m a free agent." “I love it here in Boston,’’ Betts said. “It’s a great spot. I’ve definitely grown to love going up north in the cold. That doesn’t mean I want to sell myself short of my value.” Asked what he valued, Betts said, “Just being treated fairly.” His idea of value is going to free agency. When you go to free agency, you have to *USUALLY* pay the most to keep said player. There's no spinning this. www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/03/20/mookie-betts-plans-to-make-red-sox-sweat-over-huge-contract/amp/
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2019 14:09:39 GMT -5
Usually.......
He also said he loves it in Boston.
Why is it so hard to believe that Boston offers him a fair deal and keeps him?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 5, 2019 14:10:22 GMT -5
Nice win but when is Betts going to wake up from his bad dream. It's been a really long time since he's been himself. Have there been any theories as to what is going on with him ? It just does not seem possible he's not snapped out of the funk which dates back to last year's post season. Betts, 2019: .262/.386/.452, 16.4 BB%, 14.7 K%, .384 xwOBA Betts, Career: .298/.372/.511, 10.2 BB%, 12.7 K%, .368 xwOBA Yeah, a little more power regression than you'd expect given the lively ball this year, but one little weekend homer flurry would put that right back in line with (reasonable) expectations. Walking more than he strikes out and everyone's talking about what a disappointing season he's having. It's such a mystery that Betts wants to test free agency... I talked to one college coach I know who said Betts is letting the ball travel deeper into the zone than last year, resulting in many fewer pulled balls, and, ultimately, fewer HRs. FWIW
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 5, 2019 14:14:33 GMT -5
Usually....... He also said he loves it in Boston. Why is it so hard to believe that Boston offers him a fair deal and keeps him? Because other team's will be offering CRAZY money to get him. When you let a player go to free agency, you can't PLAN on keeping him.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 5, 2019 14:14:51 GMT -5
Walking more than he strikes out and everyone's talking about what a disappointing season he's having. It's such a mystery that Betts wants to test free agency... He wants to test free agency because he thinks he's worth a certain value, and he has said this. There's no spinning it, he wants to test free agency because he wants to get paid, not because Boston fans are critical of him.Yeah well suffice to say I don't take those kinds of player comments at face value, ever.
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Post by patford on Jul 5, 2019 14:15:19 GMT -5
Betts, 2019: .262/.386/.452, 16.4 BB%, 14.7 K%, .384 xwOBA Betts, Career: .298/.372/.511, 10.2 BB%, 12.7 K%, .368 xwOBA Yeah, a little more power regression than you'd expect given the lively ball this year, but one little weekend homer flurry would put that right back in line with (reasonable) expectations. Walking more than he strikes out and everyone's talking about what a disappointing season he's having. It's such a mystery that Betts wants to test free agency... I talked to one college coach I know who said Betts is letting the ball travel deeper into the zone than last year, resulting in many fewer pulled balls, and, ultimately, fewer HRs. FWIW I think his power numbers are alright. It's the average which I don't get.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2019 14:15:57 GMT -5
Usually....... He also said he loves it in Boston. Why is it so hard to believe that Boston offers him a fair deal and keeps him? Because other team's will be offering CRAZY money to get him. When you let a player go to free agency, you can't PLAN on keeping him. You mean like the crazy money that Harper and Machado got that was about $100-200 million short of some predictions?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 5, 2019 14:17:37 GMT -5
Because other team's will be offering CRAZY money to get him. When you let a player go to free agency, you can't PLAN on keeping him. You mean like the crazy money that Harper and Machado got that was about $100-200 million short of some predictions? They did get a lot of money. Mookie Betts is also better than those players, other teams will value him better than those players.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2019 14:19:07 GMT -5
You mean like the crazy money that Harper and Machado got that was about $100-200 million short of some predictions? They did get a lot of money. Mookie Betts is also better than those players, other teams will value him better than those players. They got a lot less than everyone thought. There is no scenario where the Red Sox can't sign him. There is no scenario where the Red Sox shouldn't sign him. And there is no scenario where the Red Sox should trade him, making it harder if not impossible to sign him. John Henry isn't Jean Yawkey, who let Carlton Fisk, Roger Clemens and Wade Boggs leave because they were too cheap to keep them. The Red Sox sign who they want to sign just about every time now. Even when it's not smart, they don't get outbid. See Price and Sandoval.
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